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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 14:09:07 GMT -5
I just don't get it. I mean, I read these comments how it's disrespectful for us antis to compare "other victims" with MVSs..... Hello! Not only am I an anti, I'm an MVS! Just something for y'all to think about. Also, here is a reminder that I'm not the ONLY MVS against the death penalty: www.mvfr.org/www.willsworld.com/~mvfhr/hugggz, Suzanne To clarify something, I am an MVS being that the man I love was murdered. Yes, in case you didn't catch that, I am an MVS. And I'm against the death penalty. Also, I've explained to pros time and time again that I am MVS, however, they still talk as if NONE of us anti's are MVS, when I've explained to more than one, and I know I explained this to.....well, you know who you are. |
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Post by mikebook on Jul 19, 2005 14:15:18 GMT -5
Perhaps it is because survivors of murder want vengence and have anger. I do not look at the family of Death Row inmates as survivors. The inmate had a choice and did not have to kill the other person. He could have left and went elsewhere... Not the same as a person's family after the husband was killed doing his job as a police officer or store clerk...
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 14:23:30 GMT -5
Mike, my boyfriend was murdered. And my dear friend was executed. I'm both an MVS and "the Other Victim". My feelings about both deaths are comparible. I do have the right to compare the two being that I am both and I, though I'm not the only MVS on this board, want everyone on this board to feel free to consider both comparable.
My boyfriend's mother was hurt severely by the death of her son.
My dear friend's mother was hurt severely by the death of her son.
Neither one of them feel any better about the death of their son then the other, therefore, they are comparable.
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Post by mikebook on Jul 19, 2005 14:24:45 GMT -5
Not logically...One of them had not choice...The other did.
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 14:28:32 GMT -5
Yes, I have that right. I am both. I know how both felt and they are comparable. I feel no less about my friends execution the my boyfriends murder. Being that I am both, logically, able to compare the 2 situations/feelings of both. Helpless, sad, mourning, etc.....for both men.
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Post by mikebook on Jul 19, 2005 14:28:34 GMT -5
Let me put it this way...If I am killed, my family will want vengence. They will feel badly for the other persons family, but they will want vengence for me...Just as I will for any of my family... We will not be there in court to forgive...we will be there to make certain justice is served in the form of a sentence of death...
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Post by mikebook on Jul 19, 2005 14:31:19 GMT -5
Perhaps this...My parents were in a hit and run accident in Atlanta...Illegal alien driving the other car...I want his head on a Pike...and my parents are fine...My dad had to buy another car but they are ok...
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 14:31:54 GMT -5
Let me put it this way...If I am killed, my family will want vengence. They will feel badly for the other persons family, but they will want vengence for me...Just as I will for any of my family... We will not be there in court to forgive...we will be there to make certain justice is served in the form of a sentence of death... Mike, I appreciate your honesty on the "vengence" thing. Many pros never say that word. They hate that word. They prefer to use the word "justice". Aside all that, your family will feel sad, helpless, they'll be mourning over you just like the family/friends of the death row inmates.....AKA a new set of victims. Murder v. execution doesn't make the feeling any less. |
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Post by mikebook on Jul 19, 2005 14:35:02 GMT -5
The guy on death row is responsible for all the victims...NOBODY but him. That is also why I do not buy into his survivors being survivors of murder. The state does justice. People do vengence. That is how it is or my family would track that alien down and make him pay for my dad's new Honda...
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 14:41:46 GMT -5
I didn't say the executed is a survivor of murder, however, they are a survivor of the son/daughter being intentionally killed with the same feelings as the murdered. They are comparable. No, they aren't MVS, they are "the other victim"...with similar feelings....totally different with similar feelings and deserve recognition. It wasn't their choice to be the "other Victim", however, they are anyway. They don't deserve to be brushed aside as if they commited a crime.
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 14:43:02 GMT -5
The only person who should be punished is the murderer, not their family. The death penalty punishes their family in return. It's part of the vengeful justice.
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Post by mikebook on Jul 19, 2005 14:43:26 GMT -5
They committed no crime...they are innocent. However, they are not survivors of murder...
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 14:44:22 GMT -5
They are survivors of executed. Survivors of someone killed by the death penalty. They are the "other victims"
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 14:46:34 GMT -5
Vengeful justice known as the death penalty creates a new set of victims.
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Post by mikebook on Jul 19, 2005 14:48:18 GMT -5
No...I cannot see it that way. The inmate had a choice...For example, Richard Cartwright...He could have not talked with those guys...Could have stayed off drugs...Could have stayed home with his pregnant wife...Could have walked away whern they robbed Nick...Could have accepted a plea deal...Was executed...His family are not survivors of murder. And that is the way that it is... The family is not entitled to anything like the victims family is of the crime.
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