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Post by mikebook on Jul 19, 2005 14:49:42 GMT -5
The victims were created by the criminal in the crime. Not the state. Not the family. But the inmate.
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 14:52:04 GMT -5
Well, tell me, what is Irene, Ricki Marie, and Diane entitled to then? Do you think they should be brushed aside like their feelings are meaningless? They are still living. They are still suffering.
What do you think will happen to them if society just sh*ts on them rather than treat them as "other victims" as they diserve?
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Post by mikebook on Jul 19, 2005 14:54:10 GMT -5
They are entitled to live their lives in peace. They are entitled to all the protections of United States Law. They are entitled to all their rights. They are not entitled to be survivors of murder....
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 14:55:42 GMT -5
Live their lives in peace?! Mike, Irene's son was executed! Do you think she is going to live her life in peace, now?
MVS and the Other victims are different, however comparable. I'm not saying you treat the other victims the same as MVS, but you treat both with the same respect.
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Post by mikebook on Jul 19, 2005 14:58:44 GMT -5
Yes. By that I mean that the laws of society will protect her. If she wishes to protest or write or get laws passes, free speech will protect her. The right to live in peace means that you have the right to go about your business and live. To do things, travel, see Disneyworld, whatever...
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Post by mikebook on Jul 19, 2005 14:59:15 GMT -5
They are not the same...
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 15:02:42 GMT -5
Exactly, they aren't the same. Unless an MVS has a loved one executed, they wouldn't know what it is like. However, being that I'm both an MVS and "the other victim" I do know what it's like.
No they aren't the same, however, the feelings are, they are comparable, therefore, both should be treated with the same respect.
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 15:04:56 GMT -5
Yes. By that I mean that the laws of society will protect her. If she wishes to protest or write or get laws passes, free speech will protect her. The right to live in peace means that you have the right to go about your business and live. To do things, travel, see Disneyworld, whatever... Mike, she is not at peace with her son's execution. The State of Texas took her son from her. She is fighting the death penalty. When the State of Texas took her son, they messed with the wrong woman, I can guarentee you that.
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Post by mikebook on Jul 19, 2005 15:05:42 GMT -5
I do not believe that they are the same. I will respect them but they are not survivors of murder. That is the victims family. The inmate made his family victims when he killed another person. They are not survivors, they are simply his or her family.
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 15:06:44 GMT -5
And I'll tell you this. The state of Texas killed my dear friend and messed with this woman. I'll be fighting the death penalty and helping "other victims" any way I can.
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Post by mikebook on Jul 19, 2005 15:08:31 GMT -5
Well, she can write the Governor of the State, she can protest, she can rabble-rouse to her heart's content...All protected by Freedom of of Speech and Assembly. But I doubt it will do any good to change hearts and minds out here... There is a huge degree of law and order in this state...
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 15:08:50 GMT -5
Mike, read please....
MVS = Murder Victims Survivors The Other Victims = Executed Survivors
They may have different meanings, but both deserve the same respect. Don't sh*t on "the other victims". Don't make "the other victims" less then what they are.
They are comparable. I know first hand.
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 15:09:32 GMT -5
Mike, if you're not worried about it, than why are you arguing about it?
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Post by mikebook on Jul 19, 2005 15:10:56 GMT -5
Executions barely make the news anymore. You have to look for them in the news. It will not change in this state. And just think of what will happen if that SPA 2005 Bill gets passed...Think of that...
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 19, 2005 15:11:38 GMT -5
Mike, our anti-voice is getting louder by the minute. Haven't you been reading the papers? More and more news about the death penalty, various points of it, is being told. We are spreading the word. People are listening. We contact media. We tell our families and friends. More and more people are becoming aware.
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