Post by Maggie on Sept 8, 2006 7:15:21 GMT -5
Interview takes up the next two posts
This is an interview between Det. BROCCHINI and Scott PETERSON taking place 12-25-02 from 0001 to 0100.
With redacted polygraph portion added back in for completeness.
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PETERSON: Thank you
BROCCHINI: Pretty much Scott, all we do, lets just go over what, what we already talked about so I can make some notes.
PETERSON: Um hum. (Affirmative)
BROCCHINI: See if you remember something that you know maybe you don't know you remembered. So today just tell me about the morning?
PETERSON: Ah, okay. Ah I don't know what time we got up, probably ah Laci got up and went I assume, she said she had some cereal for breakfast.
BROCCHINI: Um hum.
PETERSON: Eats right when she wakes up, otherwise she gets sick, 'cause she's pregnant. Ah, I laid around in bed longer, I got up at I don't know, 8 o'clock probably or so. Ah, showered ah we were watchin' her favorite show, Martha STEWART. Watched a little bit of that.
BROCCHINI: You didn't watch the whole thing though?
PETERSON: No.
BROCCHINI: You remember what part you saw?
PETERSON: I don't know, I don't know what they had on, some cooking deal, I don't know, cookies of some sort, they were talking about what to do with meringue.
BROCCHINI: Ah and I, I can't remember, your house, you had the, the converted garage area, is that your TV room, right?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: Is that where you were then? Ah did you eat any breakfast?
PETERSON: Yeah I had a bowl of cereal.
BROCCHINI: Okay. And then ah, then what?
PETERSON: Ah...
BROCCHINI: When did you realize you were gonna go fishin'?
PETERSON: Well, that was the morning decision, it's either
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BROCCHINI: That’s a morning decision…
PETERSON: go play golf at the club, or go fishin…
BROCCHINI: Okay.
PETERSON: It seemed too cold to go play golf at the club (chuckle) so um, ya know, Decided that ya know, might as well do that.
BROCCHINI: Um hum.
PETERSON: She told me what she was gonna do for the day and …
BROCCHINI: Okay so ah she told you what she was gonna do for the day?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: And what was that?
PETERSON: Ah, she was gonna finish cleanin up, like I said she was moppin’ the kitchen Floor, ah, take the dog for a walk and then she was going to the store to buy For Christmas morning breakfast tomorrow and that was gonna be an involved prep so that was prepping the breakfast and she was gonna make gingerbread cookies for tonight.
BROCCHINI: What was she mopping?
PETERSON: The tile in the entryway area.
BROCCHINI: The entry of your front door, or the entry of your little into converted…
PETERSON: Well out in ah, well not the front door, but that backdoor that we came in.
BROCCHINI: Right where the mop was outside it?
PETERSON: No, no, no.
BROCCHINI: Oh, oh where your, oh where your dog, the one out to your backyard?
PETERSON: Ah beyond the converted garage.
BROCCHINI: Yeah.
PETERSON: Right and you have the kitchen.
BROCCHINI: Yeah.
PETERSON: Then you have the room with two chairs in it.
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BROCCHINI: Right.
PETERSON: Yeah, that room and the kitchen. Ah there was a lotta places she planned to go. She had me put the ah, the bucket by the front door for her.
BROCCHINI: So she asked you to put the mop bucket by the front door?
PETERSON: Yeah, she’s, you know, 8 months pregnant, ah can’t pick it up for anything, so I filled it up for her, put it in ah, I think that’s the central place.
BROCCHINI: How did it, did you move it back after, or when you come home, or how did it get outside?
PETERSON: Yeah, yeah.
BROCCHINI: So you put it out there?
PETERSON: Um hum. (Affirmative) The dog and the cat ran in. Yeah she wasn’t about to lift anything heavy.
BROCCHINI: So when you left you do remember what she was wearin’?
PETERSON: Ah black pants, a white long sleeve top.
BROCCHINI: The kind that buttons or…
PETERSON: No, just like a long sleeve T-shirt kinda thing, but you know, didn’t say Anything on it or…
BROCCHINI: A jacket or shoes?
PETERSON: No.
BROCCHINI: No shoes?
PETERSON: Um um (negative)
BROCCHINI: Did you notice what jack—her jacket was there, ‘cause if she went, like if she went walk—walkin’ at 10 o’clock or 9:30…
PETERSON: She usually steals my stuff.
BROCCHINI: She uses your stuff?
PETERSON: Yeah because you know …
BROCCHINI: Um hum.
PETERSON: Instead of maternity stuff, so I don’t really know.
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BROCCHINI: You don’t know
PETERSON: What type though? She could have had hers or mine or nothing, I don’t know.
BROCCHINI: How ‘bout shoes, does she have a certain kinda shoes that she walks in, or…
PETERSON: Yeah usually a pair of white tennis shoes.
BROCCHINI: Do you know, did you remember if they were there or now?
PETERSON: Ah the officers and I looked for them in their normal place, which is outside by the wet bar.
BROCCHINI: Um hum.
PETERSON: Ah they were not there, but we didn’t look further, so they could be get in the house. They weren’t where they’re normally left. You saw mine where those were. That’s where we normally keep’em.
BROCCHINI: Okay so then about 9:30 you left?
PETERSON: Um hum. (affirmative)
BROCCHINI: And you drove your 4 door truck.
PETERSON: Yeap
BROCCHINI: ah and you went over to your shop?
PETERSON: Right.
BROCCHINI: What did you do over there?
PETERSON: Ah I assembled my ah mortiser. Know what a mortiser is?
BROCCHINI: No.
PETERSON: It’s a woodworking tool to make tables. Ah, maybe you saw it on ah the trailer there, ‘bout yeah big.
BROCCHINI: Yeah.
PETERSON: I’d just got that so I assembled it, ah, checked my e-mail, ah sent one e-mail, then hooked the boat up and went.
BROCCHINI: Who’d you send the e-mail to?
PETERSON: To ah Eric VAN INNIS, my boss. The happy holidays e-mail. He left me ah message on my phone this morning.
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BROCCHINI: Eric VAN INNIS.
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: How you spell INNIS?
PETERSON: I-N-N-I-S.
BROCCHINI: You know his, his phone number?
PETERSON: Sure.
BROCCHINI: Did you tell him about this yet?
PETERSON: No
BROCCHINI: Is it the 559 number?
PETERSON: No this is gonna be a ah, number in Portugal.
BROCCHINI: Portugal? That’s where your boss is?
PETERSON: Yeah. Ah to access international, you dial 011…
BROCCHINI: Um hum.
PETERSON: Country code is 35, the number is 191-983-5253. That’s his mobile number.
BROCCHINI: Does he have a home, do you have that or not?
PETERSON: I don’t have a home number for him.
BROCCHINI: Do you know what his e-mail was or…
PETERSON: Ahhh, it’s evaninnis, ah hell I don’t, it’s, I don’t know.
BROCCHINI: That’s okay (chuckle). Does he live (overlaps with next sentence).
PETERSON: (overlap) yeah, ah, yeah Portugal.
BROCCHINI: Speak English?
PETERSON: Yeah, bearable. He’s a Belgian guy.
BROCCHINI: Alright. Okay so you assembled this ah, what the thing, what was the thing you assembled called?
PETERSON: Called a mortiser. For mortis and tendon joints.
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BROCCHINI: Where’s you get that at?
PETERSON: Ordered it on line, e-bay auction actually.
BROCCHINI: Is that for home or for work?
PETERSON: It’s for ah, home, do woodwork.
BROCCHINI: Yeah. You do a bit of that?
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: Okay the fax you got, you hadn’t got it yet? Or did…
PETERSON: I guess not, I, I, I don’t know. I can’t remember when I picked it up.
BROCCHINI: Okay.
PETERSON: I remember they said the boat was arriving the 26th and I wasn’t happy about that, but other than that. It may have been when I got back in the office.
BROCCHINI: Okay then you hooked up your boat?
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: And ah you know about what time you left Modesto?
PETERSON: Ah, gosh, I don’t know, ah I you know, extrapolate what time I got the, you know, noon, is that right?
BROCCHINI: Yeah, it was ah, no one.
PETERSON: Which one is it there? You know it has two times.
BROCCHINI: Oh okay, ah…
PETERSON: Which one’s right?
BROCCHINI: sh*t I don’t know. Tuesday, time 12:54 on December 24th, but expires oh okay, expires 11:59 p.m. Tuesday. Okay so you got there at 1:00.
PETERSON: I got there at one?
BROCCHINI: Yeah about one.
PETERSON: And I imagine it took at least an hour and a half.
BROCCHINI: Yeah, Okay, so it would be twelve, it would be 11:30 or about.
PETERSON: Yeah probably longer than that.
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BROCCHINI: probably a little longer
PETERSON: cause you can’t go over 55 with that trailer.
BROCCHINI: Right. Okay did you drive straight there?
PETERSON: I did.
BROCCHINI: You stop for lunch?
PETERSON: No.
BROCCHINI: Did you buy bait?
PETERSON: Nope, I’m not a bait fisherman.
BROCCHINI: You didn’t buy no lunch, didn’t even eat nothin’?
PETERSON: Um.
BROCCHINI: Take a lunch?
PETERSON: No I didn’t. I was damn hungry for that pizza when I got home.
BROCCHINI: Okay so if you got the, ‘bout 5 minutes to one, you got your boat in, how long you think you stayed in the water?
PETERSON: Ah felt like an hour and a half or so, but like I said, I didn’t have any lunch or anything, but see if I was getting home at 4:30, quarter to, I don’t know an hour an hour and a half I guess, probably be accurate.
BROCCHINI: Ah did you have a map for that area or…
PETERSON: No.
BROCCHINI: What, you just wing it?
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: So you just, when you got in your boat you took off did you go very far or…
PETERSON: Well I mean probably a couple miles, I went north ah, found a, like a little island kinda deal there.
BROCCHINI: Um hum.
PETERSON: Ah island ah had a buncha trash on it I remember a big sign that said no landing, looked like some broken piers around it. I just assumed it would be a decent, you know, shallow area.
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BROCCHINI: Did you troll?
PETERSON: Little bit. I mean a lot of, lot of the reason I went was just to get that boat in the water to see, you know.
BROCCHINI: Yeah.
PETERSON: (On the phone) Amy, what’s goin’ on Amy? Yeah. Oh I don’t know, where you at now? In front of my, our house Okay. Yeah ah, ah where you guys stay at your place obviously where Nate and Brent goin. Okay. Yeah ah, I don’t know. Thanks I appreciate that. Think you can call back in a little while? Thanks Amy. (Back to BROCCHINI) Sister-in-law.
BROCCHINI: Amy?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: Is it Laci’s sister?
PETERSON: Um hum. Different mother’s, same father.
BROCCHINI: Okay so you fish 90 minutes then what, you got back to your, go back to the marina.
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: Get back in your boat.
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: You see anybody, you talk to anybody out there?
PETERSON: Ah talked to a couple guys fishing, they asked me, you know, did you catch anything.
BROCCHINI: Yeah.
PETERSON: No, they didn’t either, ah, the guys workin’, fixing ah, main, main, maintenance guys got a good laugh from me tryin’ ta back down the trailer.
BROCCHINI: Okay,.
PETERSON: Ah so couple guys laughin’ and a coupl guys talkin’ about fishin.
BROCCHINI: Ah then what? You drive, how did you get there?
PETERSON: Ah…
BROCCHINI: How do you…
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PETERSON: …highway you mean?
BROCCHINI: Yeah.
PETERSON: Ah what that, what’s the highway to ah Oakland, 580?
BROCCHINI: Yeah.
PETERSON: And then take 80, 80 north, right, to go to like goin’ to Sacramento or ah…
BROCCHINI: So you took 580 to 80 north? Okay.
PETERSON: Yeah and it’s like the second exit in Berkeley.
BROCCHINI: You come home the same way?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: You have to stop for gas?
PETERSON: Stop for gas in ah I guess it’s Livermore. Livermore or Pleasanton. Which one’s near the Altamont.
BROCCHINI: That’s Livermore.
PETERSON: Okay.
BROCCHINI: Where’d you stop?
PETERSON: Ah I think it was a Chevron Station, there’s a ah buses around there.
BROCCHINI: Was that on the way home, or on the way there?
PETERSON: Way home.
BROCCHINI: How’d you pay?
PETERSON: Credit card.
BROCCHINI: Do you have your receipt still?
PETERSON: Ah I didn’t get a receipt no.
BROCCHINI: Debit card or credit card?
PETERSON: Ah debit. Ah I don’t know which way they count it, debit or credit when you stick it in there.
BROCCHINI: But it was your bank, it wasn’t a Chevron card right?
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PETERSON: Right, right, it’s my, you know E-Bay, ATM, debit or credit card, combo, you Know.
BROCCHINI: Did, did you, you didn’t get something in the store?
PETERSON: Uh uh. (negative)
BROCCHINI: Okay when, when you got in the car what did you call you said?
PETERSON: I called Laci ah just as I was leaving the marina.
BROCCHINI: Home phone?
PETERSON: Told her where I was, ah, home and the mobile.
BROCCHINI: What’s your home number?
PETERSON: 524-2049.
BROCCHINI: You left a message?
PETERSON: Yes.
BROCCHINI: And then what’s your mobile?
PETERSON: 402-8806.
BROCCHINI: Do you know her, ah, do you know her password?
PETERSON: 8184.
BROCCHINI: So if we called, if you called her number and ah if they would tell you, Doesn’t it? Does it tell you what time the call comes in?
PETERSON: Ah I don’t know if it’s time stamped, try it out. Yesterday at 2:16.
BROCCHINI: Can I hear?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: You know how to repeat it?
PETERSON: I think 9.
Long pause
BROCCHINI: How many messages did she have? Two?
PETERSON: Two new ones.
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BROCCHINI: Okay, I’ll save it, it was probably her dad or somebody.
Long pause, listening to messages on phone.
BROCCHINI: Okay here.
PETERSON: ________.
BROCCHINI: Yeah. Okay. (clears throat)
PETERSON: It says the first one was 2:15
BROCCHINI: Yeah. Ah, okay so then you get gas?
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: You drive straight home?
PETERSON: To the warehouse, dropped off the boat.
BROCCHINI: Okay.
PETERSON: Then go home.
BROCCHINI: Did you ah when you left, when you wearin’, what, what were you wearin’ when you left?
PETERSON: Ah blue jeans and a blue T-shirt.
BROCCHINI: And what were those shoes?
PETERSON: Oh Timberline.
BROCCHINI: Which jacket?
PETERSON: Ah…
BROCCHINI: The one, the jacket, in your truck?
PETERSON: Well when I left the house…
BROCCHINI: Uh huh.
PETERSON: …I didn’t have a jacket on.
BROCCHINI: Right.
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PETERSON: Ah but I had a, when I was in the warehouse ah, I had that green pullover on that was in my truck you saw. Ah when it started raining I had a camo jacket on in the boat and ah tan hat.
BROCCHINI: Okay so then you ah went back to the shop, you unhooked the boat?
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: What ha—what else did you do? Anything else?
PETERSON: No. I look at…I guess I saw that fax. And I was late getting’ home so, I went straight home.
BROCCHINI: Anybody else in the warehouse area ah, anybody?
PETERSON: Not this afternoon, there was a couple people there this morning’. I don’t think there was anyone there this afternoon.
BROCCHINI: Okay so then…
Pause
BROCCHINI: So that fax came in as 3 hour time difference?
PETERSON: Yeah, I think New Jersey is 3 hours.
BROCCHINI: Okay so then you drive, did you try to call her anymore?
PETERSON: Just ah, called once from the marina, both phones, and then ah, later on, when was that second call.
BROCCHINI: No the second call wasn’t from you, it was from her dad or somebody.
PETERSON: I left a second message on her mobile.
BROCCHINI: There was only one from you.
PETERSON: Really.
BROCCHINI: Ah there was two there, but one was logged at like 5:30 in the afternoon, it was an old gruffy voice said Laci, everbody’s lookin’ for you. Didn’t say who it was.
PETERSON: Ah that must have been Ron, Ah, well I know I left two at home and I thought I left two on the mobile. Maybe I didn’t leave the second one on the mobile.
BROCCHINI: So you ah, the two at home though one was from when you left and one was some other time or…
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PETERSON: One was when I left Berkeley and the other one was ah when I was drivin’ in Livermore, the traffic was pretty bad and I knew I wouldn’t be home by 4 so gave her a call.
BROCCHINI: Okay then what? You drive home?
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: You backed in?
PETERSON: Yep
BROCCHINI: Do you always do that?
PETERSON: Yeah I’ve had that box broken into a couple times. Well, not broken into, but I failed to lock it a few times and got the umbrellas, and I always back in.
BROCCHINI: Uhm, those umbrellas, they, were they in your car before too?
PETERSON: Put them in this morning, my intent was to leave ‘em at the warehouse.
BROCCHINI: And so you took ‘em to Berkeley with you?
PETERSON: Yeah. I forgot to take ‘em out.
BROCCHINI: So you put the umbrellas in there this morning?
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: Because you were gonna store ‘em at the ware house?
PETERSON: Yeah but I didn’t.
BROCCHINI: What did you just forget?
PETERSON: Um hum. Ah I, I even saw ‘em in there when I locked the door.
BROCCHINI: Um hum.
PETERSON: You know, but Laci.
BROCCHINI: Okay then you got home, then what, how’d you go, what door did you go in?
PETERSON: Went in the what I would call a backdoor, which is that French door where my shoes were at.
BROCCHINI: See your dog out there?
PETERSON: Yep, she’s always there.
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BROCCHINI: And he still had his leash on?
PETERSON: Um hum. So I took that off obviously.
BROCCHINI: What’d you do with it?
PETERSON: Ahhhh, put it on the picnic table.
BROCCHINI: The French doors were unlocked?
PETERSON: Yes.
BROCCHINI: So what’d you do when you go in?
PETERSON: Ah the dog and cat followed me so I dumped out that mop water, ‘cause the cat went over to it.
BROCCHINI: Where was the mop bucket?
PETERSON: Ah you remember ah our front door? There’s a little light white piece, wood piece…
BROCCHINI: Uh huh.
PETERSON: …built in. It was just in front of that.
BROCCHINI: Okay so ah your dog and cat come not only though the odors and your cat goes over to this bucket?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: And what, was he gonna drink out of it or…
PETERSON: Look like it to me.
BROCCHINI: So you just picked it up and walked it out the front door then?
PETERSON: No that little side door.
BROCCHINI: Okay.
PETERSON: That it was right outside of.
BROCCHINI: And you set it out there?
PETERSON: Dumped it, then set it there.
BROCCHINI: Then what’d you do?
This is an interview between Det. BROCCHINI and Scott PETERSON taking place 12-25-02 from 0001 to 0100.
With redacted polygraph portion added back in for completeness.
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PETERSON: Thank you
BROCCHINI: Pretty much Scott, all we do, lets just go over what, what we already talked about so I can make some notes.
PETERSON: Um hum. (Affirmative)
BROCCHINI: See if you remember something that you know maybe you don't know you remembered. So today just tell me about the morning?
PETERSON: Ah, okay. Ah I don't know what time we got up, probably ah Laci got up and went I assume, she said she had some cereal for breakfast.
BROCCHINI: Um hum.
PETERSON: Eats right when she wakes up, otherwise she gets sick, 'cause she's pregnant. Ah, I laid around in bed longer, I got up at I don't know, 8 o'clock probably or so. Ah, showered ah we were watchin' her favorite show, Martha STEWART. Watched a little bit of that.
BROCCHINI: You didn't watch the whole thing though?
PETERSON: No.
BROCCHINI: You remember what part you saw?
PETERSON: I don't know, I don't know what they had on, some cooking deal, I don't know, cookies of some sort, they were talking about what to do with meringue.
BROCCHINI: Ah and I, I can't remember, your house, you had the, the converted garage area, is that your TV room, right?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: Is that where you were then? Ah did you eat any breakfast?
PETERSON: Yeah I had a bowl of cereal.
BROCCHINI: Okay. And then ah, then what?
PETERSON: Ah...
BROCCHINI: When did you realize you were gonna go fishin'?
PETERSON: Well, that was the morning decision, it's either
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BROCCHINI: That’s a morning decision…
PETERSON: go play golf at the club, or go fishin…
BROCCHINI: Okay.
PETERSON: It seemed too cold to go play golf at the club (chuckle) so um, ya know, Decided that ya know, might as well do that.
BROCCHINI: Um hum.
PETERSON: She told me what she was gonna do for the day and …
BROCCHINI: Okay so ah she told you what she was gonna do for the day?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: And what was that?
PETERSON: Ah, she was gonna finish cleanin up, like I said she was moppin’ the kitchen Floor, ah, take the dog for a walk and then she was going to the store to buy For Christmas morning breakfast tomorrow and that was gonna be an involved prep so that was prepping the breakfast and she was gonna make gingerbread cookies for tonight.
BROCCHINI: What was she mopping?
PETERSON: The tile in the entryway area.
BROCCHINI: The entry of your front door, or the entry of your little into converted…
PETERSON: Well out in ah, well not the front door, but that backdoor that we came in.
BROCCHINI: Right where the mop was outside it?
PETERSON: No, no, no.
BROCCHINI: Oh, oh where your, oh where your dog, the one out to your backyard?
PETERSON: Ah beyond the converted garage.
BROCCHINI: Yeah.
PETERSON: Right and you have the kitchen.
BROCCHINI: Yeah.
PETERSON: Then you have the room with two chairs in it.
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BROCCHINI: Right.
PETERSON: Yeah, that room and the kitchen. Ah there was a lotta places she planned to go. She had me put the ah, the bucket by the front door for her.
BROCCHINI: So she asked you to put the mop bucket by the front door?
PETERSON: Yeah, she’s, you know, 8 months pregnant, ah can’t pick it up for anything, so I filled it up for her, put it in ah, I think that’s the central place.
BROCCHINI: How did it, did you move it back after, or when you come home, or how did it get outside?
PETERSON: Yeah, yeah.
BROCCHINI: So you put it out there?
PETERSON: Um hum. (Affirmative) The dog and the cat ran in. Yeah she wasn’t about to lift anything heavy.
BROCCHINI: So when you left you do remember what she was wearin’?
PETERSON: Ah black pants, a white long sleeve top.
BROCCHINI: The kind that buttons or…
PETERSON: No, just like a long sleeve T-shirt kinda thing, but you know, didn’t say Anything on it or…
BROCCHINI: A jacket or shoes?
PETERSON: No.
BROCCHINI: No shoes?
PETERSON: Um um (negative)
BROCCHINI: Did you notice what jack—her jacket was there, ‘cause if she went, like if she went walk—walkin’ at 10 o’clock or 9:30…
PETERSON: She usually steals my stuff.
BROCCHINI: She uses your stuff?
PETERSON: Yeah because you know …
BROCCHINI: Um hum.
PETERSON: Instead of maternity stuff, so I don’t really know.
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BROCCHINI: You don’t know
PETERSON: What type though? She could have had hers or mine or nothing, I don’t know.
BROCCHINI: How ‘bout shoes, does she have a certain kinda shoes that she walks in, or…
PETERSON: Yeah usually a pair of white tennis shoes.
BROCCHINI: Do you know, did you remember if they were there or now?
PETERSON: Ah the officers and I looked for them in their normal place, which is outside by the wet bar.
BROCCHINI: Um hum.
PETERSON: Ah they were not there, but we didn’t look further, so they could be get in the house. They weren’t where they’re normally left. You saw mine where those were. That’s where we normally keep’em.
BROCCHINI: Okay so then about 9:30 you left?
PETERSON: Um hum. (affirmative)
BROCCHINI: And you drove your 4 door truck.
PETERSON: Yeap
BROCCHINI: ah and you went over to your shop?
PETERSON: Right.
BROCCHINI: What did you do over there?
PETERSON: Ah I assembled my ah mortiser. Know what a mortiser is?
BROCCHINI: No.
PETERSON: It’s a woodworking tool to make tables. Ah, maybe you saw it on ah the trailer there, ‘bout yeah big.
BROCCHINI: Yeah.
PETERSON: I’d just got that so I assembled it, ah, checked my e-mail, ah sent one e-mail, then hooked the boat up and went.
BROCCHINI: Who’d you send the e-mail to?
PETERSON: To ah Eric VAN INNIS, my boss. The happy holidays e-mail. He left me ah message on my phone this morning.
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BROCCHINI: Eric VAN INNIS.
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: How you spell INNIS?
PETERSON: I-N-N-I-S.
BROCCHINI: You know his, his phone number?
PETERSON: Sure.
BROCCHINI: Did you tell him about this yet?
PETERSON: No
BROCCHINI: Is it the 559 number?
PETERSON: No this is gonna be a ah, number in Portugal.
BROCCHINI: Portugal? That’s where your boss is?
PETERSON: Yeah. Ah to access international, you dial 011…
BROCCHINI: Um hum.
PETERSON: Country code is 35, the number is 191-983-5253. That’s his mobile number.
BROCCHINI: Does he have a home, do you have that or not?
PETERSON: I don’t have a home number for him.
BROCCHINI: Do you know what his e-mail was or…
PETERSON: Ahhh, it’s evaninnis, ah hell I don’t, it’s, I don’t know.
BROCCHINI: That’s okay (chuckle). Does he live (overlaps with next sentence).
PETERSON: (overlap) yeah, ah, yeah Portugal.
BROCCHINI: Speak English?
PETERSON: Yeah, bearable. He’s a Belgian guy.
BROCCHINI: Alright. Okay so you assembled this ah, what the thing, what was the thing you assembled called?
PETERSON: Called a mortiser. For mortis and tendon joints.
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BROCCHINI: Where’s you get that at?
PETERSON: Ordered it on line, e-bay auction actually.
BROCCHINI: Is that for home or for work?
PETERSON: It’s for ah, home, do woodwork.
BROCCHINI: Yeah. You do a bit of that?
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: Okay the fax you got, you hadn’t got it yet? Or did…
PETERSON: I guess not, I, I, I don’t know. I can’t remember when I picked it up.
BROCCHINI: Okay.
PETERSON: I remember they said the boat was arriving the 26th and I wasn’t happy about that, but other than that. It may have been when I got back in the office.
BROCCHINI: Okay then you hooked up your boat?
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: And ah you know about what time you left Modesto?
PETERSON: Ah, gosh, I don’t know, ah I you know, extrapolate what time I got the, you know, noon, is that right?
BROCCHINI: Yeah, it was ah, no one.
PETERSON: Which one is it there? You know it has two times.
BROCCHINI: Oh okay, ah…
PETERSON: Which one’s right?
BROCCHINI: sh*t I don’t know. Tuesday, time 12:54 on December 24th, but expires oh okay, expires 11:59 p.m. Tuesday. Okay so you got there at 1:00.
PETERSON: I got there at one?
BROCCHINI: Yeah about one.
PETERSON: And I imagine it took at least an hour and a half.
BROCCHINI: Yeah, Okay, so it would be twelve, it would be 11:30 or about.
PETERSON: Yeah probably longer than that.
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BROCCHINI: probably a little longer
PETERSON: cause you can’t go over 55 with that trailer.
BROCCHINI: Right. Okay did you drive straight there?
PETERSON: I did.
BROCCHINI: You stop for lunch?
PETERSON: No.
BROCCHINI: Did you buy bait?
PETERSON: Nope, I’m not a bait fisherman.
BROCCHINI: You didn’t buy no lunch, didn’t even eat nothin’?
PETERSON: Um.
BROCCHINI: Take a lunch?
PETERSON: No I didn’t. I was damn hungry for that pizza when I got home.
BROCCHINI: Okay so if you got the, ‘bout 5 minutes to one, you got your boat in, how long you think you stayed in the water?
PETERSON: Ah felt like an hour and a half or so, but like I said, I didn’t have any lunch or anything, but see if I was getting home at 4:30, quarter to, I don’t know an hour an hour and a half I guess, probably be accurate.
BROCCHINI: Ah did you have a map for that area or…
PETERSON: No.
BROCCHINI: What, you just wing it?
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: So you just, when you got in your boat you took off did you go very far or…
PETERSON: Well I mean probably a couple miles, I went north ah, found a, like a little island kinda deal there.
BROCCHINI: Um hum.
PETERSON: Ah island ah had a buncha trash on it I remember a big sign that said no landing, looked like some broken piers around it. I just assumed it would be a decent, you know, shallow area.
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BROCCHINI: Did you troll?
PETERSON: Little bit. I mean a lot of, lot of the reason I went was just to get that boat in the water to see, you know.
BROCCHINI: Yeah.
PETERSON: (On the phone) Amy, what’s goin’ on Amy? Yeah. Oh I don’t know, where you at now? In front of my, our house Okay. Yeah ah, ah where you guys stay at your place obviously where Nate and Brent goin. Okay. Yeah ah, I don’t know. Thanks I appreciate that. Think you can call back in a little while? Thanks Amy. (Back to BROCCHINI) Sister-in-law.
BROCCHINI: Amy?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: Is it Laci’s sister?
PETERSON: Um hum. Different mother’s, same father.
BROCCHINI: Okay so you fish 90 minutes then what, you got back to your, go back to the marina.
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: Get back in your boat.
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: You see anybody, you talk to anybody out there?
PETERSON: Ah talked to a couple guys fishing, they asked me, you know, did you catch anything.
BROCCHINI: Yeah.
PETERSON: No, they didn’t either, ah, the guys workin’, fixing ah, main, main, maintenance guys got a good laugh from me tryin’ ta back down the trailer.
BROCCHINI: Okay,.
PETERSON: Ah so couple guys laughin’ and a coupl guys talkin’ about fishin.
BROCCHINI: Ah then what? You drive, how did you get there?
PETERSON: Ah…
BROCCHINI: How do you…
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PETERSON: …highway you mean?
BROCCHINI: Yeah.
PETERSON: Ah what that, what’s the highway to ah Oakland, 580?
BROCCHINI: Yeah.
PETERSON: And then take 80, 80 north, right, to go to like goin’ to Sacramento or ah…
BROCCHINI: So you took 580 to 80 north? Okay.
PETERSON: Yeah and it’s like the second exit in Berkeley.
BROCCHINI: You come home the same way?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: You have to stop for gas?
PETERSON: Stop for gas in ah I guess it’s Livermore. Livermore or Pleasanton. Which one’s near the Altamont.
BROCCHINI: That’s Livermore.
PETERSON: Okay.
BROCCHINI: Where’d you stop?
PETERSON: Ah I think it was a Chevron Station, there’s a ah buses around there.
BROCCHINI: Was that on the way home, or on the way there?
PETERSON: Way home.
BROCCHINI: How’d you pay?
PETERSON: Credit card.
BROCCHINI: Do you have your receipt still?
PETERSON: Ah I didn’t get a receipt no.
BROCCHINI: Debit card or credit card?
PETERSON: Ah debit. Ah I don’t know which way they count it, debit or credit when you stick it in there.
BROCCHINI: But it was your bank, it wasn’t a Chevron card right?
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PETERSON: Right, right, it’s my, you know E-Bay, ATM, debit or credit card, combo, you Know.
BROCCHINI: Did, did you, you didn’t get something in the store?
PETERSON: Uh uh. (negative)
BROCCHINI: Okay when, when you got in the car what did you call you said?
PETERSON: I called Laci ah just as I was leaving the marina.
BROCCHINI: Home phone?
PETERSON: Told her where I was, ah, home and the mobile.
BROCCHINI: What’s your home number?
PETERSON: 524-2049.
BROCCHINI: You left a message?
PETERSON: Yes.
BROCCHINI: And then what’s your mobile?
PETERSON: 402-8806.
BROCCHINI: Do you know her, ah, do you know her password?
PETERSON: 8184.
BROCCHINI: So if we called, if you called her number and ah if they would tell you, Doesn’t it? Does it tell you what time the call comes in?
PETERSON: Ah I don’t know if it’s time stamped, try it out. Yesterday at 2:16.
BROCCHINI: Can I hear?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: You know how to repeat it?
PETERSON: I think 9.
Long pause
BROCCHINI: How many messages did she have? Two?
PETERSON: Two new ones.
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BROCCHINI: Okay, I’ll save it, it was probably her dad or somebody.
Long pause, listening to messages on phone.
BROCCHINI: Okay here.
PETERSON: ________.
BROCCHINI: Yeah. Okay. (clears throat)
PETERSON: It says the first one was 2:15
BROCCHINI: Yeah. Ah, okay so then you get gas?
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: You drive straight home?
PETERSON: To the warehouse, dropped off the boat.
BROCCHINI: Okay.
PETERSON: Then go home.
BROCCHINI: Did you ah when you left, when you wearin’, what, what were you wearin’ when you left?
PETERSON: Ah blue jeans and a blue T-shirt.
BROCCHINI: And what were those shoes?
PETERSON: Oh Timberline.
BROCCHINI: Which jacket?
PETERSON: Ah…
BROCCHINI: The one, the jacket, in your truck?
PETERSON: Well when I left the house…
BROCCHINI: Uh huh.
PETERSON: …I didn’t have a jacket on.
BROCCHINI: Right.
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PETERSON: Ah but I had a, when I was in the warehouse ah, I had that green pullover on that was in my truck you saw. Ah when it started raining I had a camo jacket on in the boat and ah tan hat.
BROCCHINI: Okay so then you ah went back to the shop, you unhooked the boat?
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: What ha—what else did you do? Anything else?
PETERSON: No. I look at…I guess I saw that fax. And I was late getting’ home so, I went straight home.
BROCCHINI: Anybody else in the warehouse area ah, anybody?
PETERSON: Not this afternoon, there was a couple people there this morning’. I don’t think there was anyone there this afternoon.
BROCCHINI: Okay so then…
Pause
BROCCHINI: So that fax came in as 3 hour time difference?
PETERSON: Yeah, I think New Jersey is 3 hours.
BROCCHINI: Okay so then you drive, did you try to call her anymore?
PETERSON: Just ah, called once from the marina, both phones, and then ah, later on, when was that second call.
BROCCHINI: No the second call wasn’t from you, it was from her dad or somebody.
PETERSON: I left a second message on her mobile.
BROCCHINI: There was only one from you.
PETERSON: Really.
BROCCHINI: Ah there was two there, but one was logged at like 5:30 in the afternoon, it was an old gruffy voice said Laci, everbody’s lookin’ for you. Didn’t say who it was.
PETERSON: Ah that must have been Ron, Ah, well I know I left two at home and I thought I left two on the mobile. Maybe I didn’t leave the second one on the mobile.
BROCCHINI: So you ah, the two at home though one was from when you left and one was some other time or…
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PETERSON: One was when I left Berkeley and the other one was ah when I was drivin’ in Livermore, the traffic was pretty bad and I knew I wouldn’t be home by 4 so gave her a call.
BROCCHINI: Okay then what? You drive home?
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: You backed in?
PETERSON: Yep
BROCCHINI: Do you always do that?
PETERSON: Yeah I’ve had that box broken into a couple times. Well, not broken into, but I failed to lock it a few times and got the umbrellas, and I always back in.
BROCCHINI: Uhm, those umbrellas, they, were they in your car before too?
PETERSON: Put them in this morning, my intent was to leave ‘em at the warehouse.
BROCCHINI: And so you took ‘em to Berkeley with you?
PETERSON: Yeah. I forgot to take ‘em out.
BROCCHINI: So you put the umbrellas in there this morning?
PETERSON: Um hum.
BROCCHINI: Because you were gonna store ‘em at the ware house?
PETERSON: Yeah but I didn’t.
BROCCHINI: What did you just forget?
PETERSON: Um hum. Ah I, I even saw ‘em in there when I locked the door.
BROCCHINI: Um hum.
PETERSON: You know, but Laci.
BROCCHINI: Okay then you got home, then what, how’d you go, what door did you go in?
PETERSON: Went in the what I would call a backdoor, which is that French door where my shoes were at.
BROCCHINI: See your dog out there?
PETERSON: Yep, she’s always there.
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BROCCHINI: And he still had his leash on?
PETERSON: Um hum. So I took that off obviously.
BROCCHINI: What’d you do with it?
PETERSON: Ahhhh, put it on the picnic table.
BROCCHINI: The French doors were unlocked?
PETERSON: Yes.
BROCCHINI: So what’d you do when you go in?
PETERSON: Ah the dog and cat followed me so I dumped out that mop water, ‘cause the cat went over to it.
BROCCHINI: Where was the mop bucket?
PETERSON: Ah you remember ah our front door? There’s a little light white piece, wood piece…
BROCCHINI: Uh huh.
PETERSON: …built in. It was just in front of that.
BROCCHINI: Okay so ah your dog and cat come not only though the odors and your cat goes over to this bucket?
PETERSON: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: And what, was he gonna drink out of it or…
PETERSON: Look like it to me.
BROCCHINI: So you just picked it up and walked it out the front door then?
PETERSON: No that little side door.
BROCCHINI: Okay.
PETERSON: That it was right outside of.
BROCCHINI: And you set it out there?
PETERSON: Dumped it, then set it there.
BROCCHINI: Then what’d you do?
