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Post by attitude on Dec 7, 2005 2:35:03 GMT -5
I love that bit about "Following the lines of that logic" in a piece that is completely illogical. Sounds like the logic of somebody like Brain Dead Red or one of his chronies on the scum site. Love and hugs, Judy Actually I was suprised by the number of road deaths that the USA has each year. They are far higher per capita then we have here in Australia. We lose 380 people to Road Deaths each year and we have a population of 20 million ... ps I don't particurly think the execution of Eddie Slovik was particurly admirable, considering that no other deserter had been executed. Mr Slovik appeared to have lost his life for a political statement and that to me is arbitrary. However Mr Slovik had many opportunities to recant his desertion and he was tried according to the law. He was a coward in an era where America needed brave men, and he paid for it with his life. I will not back away from my stated position that Mr Slovik put himself above millions of other Americans soldiers who also had been forced to fight. The Japanese and the Germans wanted to take over the world, and in this instance the USA was not the aggressor! |
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Post by sdl on Dec 7, 2005 4:31:25 GMT -5
Kind of like a coward named George W. Bush...
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Post by judywaits4u on Dec 7, 2005 5:08:16 GMT -5
I love that bit about "Following the lines of that logic" in a piece that is completely illogical. Sounds like the logic of somebody like Brain Dead Red or one of his chronies on the scum site. Love and hugs, Judy Actually I was suprised by the number of road deaths that the USA has each year. They are far higher per capita then we have here in Australia. We lose 380 people to Road Deaths each year and we have a population of 20 million ... ps I don't particurly think the execution of Eddie Slovik was particurly admirable, considering that no other deserter had been executed. Mr Slovik appeared to have lost his life for a political statement and that to me is arbitrary. However Mr Slovik had many opportunities to recant his desertion and he was tried according to the law. He was a coward in an era where America needed brave men, and he paid for it with his life. I will not back away from my stated position that Mr Slovik put himself above millions of other Americans soldiers who also had been forced to fight. The Japanese and the Germans wanted to take over the world, and in this instance the USA was not the aggressor! How can you say that somebody who is prepared to lose his life because of his principles is a coward? |
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Post by skyloom on Dec 7, 2005 9:43:47 GMT -5
I love that bit about "Following the lines of that logic" in a piece that is completely illogical. LOL  Logic pretty much depends on starting off with a correct premise. The pros rarely do that. |
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Post by skyloom on Dec 7, 2005 9:50:01 GMT -5
he would not kill membersof an army who were hell bent on destroying millions of innocent people in europe. he would not kill to protect his fellow country men Oops! The U.S. failed to respond to the destruction of millions of European for nearly ten years. Even while the U.S. was "over there" its pilots did not destroy the railroads that were bringing Europeans to the death camps. |
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Post by spearmint on Dec 7, 2005 13:48:54 GMT -5
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Post by sclcookie on Dec 7, 2005 13:54:20 GMT -5
Anna, you never did answer my question. Is risking and innocent person being executed worth having the death penalty when murderers could be locked up for the rest of their lives? Just because those "ex-dr" inmates murdered again doesn't mean the death penalty is appropriate. Apparently they shouldn't have been let out. Kinda proves that there are flaws in the justice system, don't you think? If they let guilty people off death row out of prison just to murder again, don't you think they keep innocent people in prison and on death row just to be executed? |
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Post by judywaits4u on Dec 7, 2005 13:56:45 GMT -5
If he had been sentenced to LWOP originally, rather than to death, he would not have been freed so he could murder again.
Love and hugs,
Judy
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Post by sclcookie on Dec 7, 2005 14:01:09 GMT -5
If he had been sentenced to LWOP originally, rather than to death, he would not have been freed so he could murder again. Love and hugs, Judy I'm sure they let innocent murders out of prison too soon, even if they are serving Life sentences, etc. It all depends on your lawyer/etc. You can have a good lawyer, who knows all the loopholes and you can be guilty and you'll still get out. Or you can have sorry ass legal representation (or a proscecution/judge who is set on keeping you in prison), be innocent, and serve the time you've been sentenced anyway. |
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Post by kathy on Dec 7, 2005 14:01:40 GMT -5
If they let guilty people off death row out of prison just to murder again, don't you think they keep innocent people in prison and on death row just to be executed?
You are asking for logical thinking here. I have determined that Pros do not think logically at all.
And it seems as though they are not able to debate very well either. All this posting of names is getting very old very quickly.
And........Who is Doc and why does he not come here and post for himself? Is he just to busy trying to get people murdered to take the time to post?
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Post by sclcookie on Dec 7, 2005 14:01:45 GMT -5
Anna, don't forget my question. Is risking and innocent person being executed worth having the death penalty when murderers could be locked up for the rest of their lives?
Just because those "ex-dr" inmates murdered again doesn't mean the death penalty is appropriate. Apparently they shouldn't have been let out. Kinda proves that there are flaws in the justice system, don't you think?
If they let guilty people off death row out of prison just to murder again, don't you think they keep innocent people in prison and on death row just to be executed?
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Post by spearmint on Dec 7, 2005 16:11:23 GMT -5
Anna, don't forget my question. Is risking and innocent person being executed worth having the death penalty when murderers could be locked up for the rest of their lives? Just because those "ex-dr" inmates murdered again doesn't mean the death penalty is appropriate. Apparently they shouldn't have been let out. Kinda proves that there are flaws in the justice system, don't you think? If they let guilty people off death row out of prison just to murder again, don't you think they keep innocent people in prison and on death row just to be executed? Dearest Suzanne, I think i answered your question about the theoretical danger of executing innocent people with my 2 posts at: ccadp.proboards40.com/index.cgi?board=debate&action=display&thread=1130012153&page=13As far as keeping dangerous murderers in prison again in keeping with the "incapation argument". The LWOP decision will also cost lives. Keeping the murderer in isolation has been deemed cruel and unusual. The "black humor" associated with your wish to avoid capital punishment, in favor of LWOP, at all costs goes like this: Q: What's the difference between 10 life sentences and 11 lifes sentences?  A: With 11 life sentences the prisoner is one step closer to getting into the "Guiness Book of Records" for the most life sentences ever received.  This cynical and sarcastic humor is shared by many LWOPers with nothing to hope for and no reason or motivation to exhibit "good behavior". Here below just 3 victims of the LWOP decision. tinyurl.com/abqy5 Quote: 10/2003 - Ohio Prison Inmate Gets Death Sentence In Strangling An Ohio prisoner convicted of strangling his cellmate will be executed. The prisoner, Timothy Hanc*ck, 33, initially got a life sentence for the November 2000 slaying. However, Warren County prosecutors appealed to demand stiffer punishment, and a new sentencing was ordered. Hanc*ck's death sentence will be automatically appealed to the Ohio Supreme Court, which is required in capital cases. Hanc*ck was convicted two years ago of killing Jason Wagner, 25,of Lancaster. They shared a cell at Warren Correctional Institution near Lebanon. Hanc*ck was serving a life term for a 1990 murder. °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° 12/4/01 - Alabama Triple killer serving life without parole kills another inmate; finally gets death sentence A Holman Prison inmate found guilty in September of murdering a fellow inmate was sentenced to the electric chair in an Escambia County courtroom. Cuhuatemoc Hinricky Peraita, 25, of Rainbow City, Ala., who was serving life without parole for 3 murders in Gadsden, was found guilty of capital murder and of having committed a murder after being convicted of other murders within the past 20 years. Prosecutor Reo Kirkland convinced a jury that Peraita held fellow inmate Quincy Lewis down while another inmate, Michael Castillo, stabbed him with a prison-made knife. Kirkland said during the trial that Peraita played an important role in the death of Lewis by grabbing him around the neck, forcing him onto a bunk and holding him while Castillo stabbed him with a knife. According to Kirkland, testimony from a medical examiner showed that 2 different stab wounds would each have resulted in the death of Lewis. One of those wounds was to the chest, the other to the neck. Peraita's defense team argued self defense and that Peraita and Castillo had paid Lewis money to leave them alone. They said despite paying Lewis, he continued to threaten them and that Peraita had been slapped by Lewis not long before the murder. Peraita gets an automatic appeal due to the death sentence. Judge Brad Byrne handed down the death sentence. His alleged accomplice, Castillo, pled guilty to the lesser charge of manslaughter recently in exchange for a 20-year sentence. Judge Joe Brogden accepted the plea on Nov. 6. °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° 3/22/00 Indicted in guard killing BEEVILLE -- A convicted killer already serving a life sentence was indicted Tuesday for capital murder in the death of prison guard Daniel Nagle. Robert Lynn Pruett, 20, could face the death penalty if found guilty of the Dec. 17 attack on Nagle, who was fatally stabbed with a sharpened rod while patrolling the Texas Department of Criminal Justice McConnell Unit near Beeville in South Texas. It was the first fatal attack on a Texas corrections officer since guard Minnie Houston was stabbed to death in 1984 by an inmate at the Ellis Unit near Huntsville, a prison official said. Pruett, from Channelview, was serving a life term for a murder committed when he was 15, according to prison records. Nagle had been president of the Beeville chapter of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, which represents corrections officers. Nagle is survived by his wife, a former corrections officer at McConnell, and three young children. Hey, ANNA, you avoided the question here. hugggz, Suzanne |
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Post by sclcookie on Dec 7, 2005 16:12:55 GMT -5
Theoretical answer is not what I'm looking for. Please see the survey especially for you.
hugggz,
Suzanne
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Post by judywaits4u on Dec 7, 2005 18:12:17 GMT -5
If he had been sentenced to LWOP originally, rather than to death, he would not have been freed so he could murder again. Love and hugs, Judy I'm sure they let innocent murders out of prison too soon, even if they are serving Life sentences, etc. It all depends on your lawyer/etc. You can have a good lawyer, who knows all the loopholes and you can be guilty and you'll still get out. Or you can have sorry ass legal representation (or a proscecution/judge who is set on keeping you in prison), be innocent, and serve the time you've been sentenced anyway. Dear Suzanne, My point was basically that had he been sentenced to LWOP he would most likely not have got out of prison. However having got a death sentence and then Furman coming along, which enabled him to get out of, he would not have been able to kill again. The moral of this being that LWOP makes society safer than CP. Love and hugs, Judy |
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Post by sclcookie on Dec 7, 2005 20:37:11 GMT -5
Judy, I understood you're point. I was merely adding some extra information for those lurkers, so they won't think that we think only about the innocent on DR. Look at Derrick Brown's case. You can find his information on our 1prison.com website.
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