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Post by truth1 on Jun 11, 2005 6:29:48 GMT -5
www.google. An injustice is based on fact--not opinion, my dear. Justice \Jus"tice\, n. [F., fr. L. justitia, fr. justus just. See Just, a.] 1. The quality of being just; conformity to the principles of righteousness and rectitude in all things; strict performance of moral obligations; practical conformity to human or divine law; integrity in the dealings of men with each other; rectitude; equity; uprightness. 2. Conformity to truth and reality in expressing opinions and in conduct; fair representation of facts respecting merit or demerit; honesty; fidelity; impartiality; as, the justice of a description or of a judgment; historical justice. 3. The rendering to every one his due or right; just treatment; requital of desert; merited reward or punishment; that which is due to one's conduct or motives. 4. Agreeableness to right; equity; justness; as, the justice of a claim. I was referring to the belief of the anti: it is murder and it is wrong. That is an opinion. When I said injustice, I was referring to that word in a legal setting. Go infront of a judge and tell them you want so and so's death sentence reduced to LWOP because you think it is wrong. That is not an injustice. An injustice would be if it was ILLEGAL to execute someone and the state did it anyway. See the difference?
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Post by catskillz on Jun 11, 2005 6:33:45 GMT -5
I do, but do you? Injustice isn't the same as illegal or unlawfull. Unlawfull is always injustice, but injustice isn't always unlawfull.
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Post by catskillz on Jun 11, 2005 6:39:19 GMT -5
And talking about "large scale assumptions", you are constantly saying what "the" or "all" "antis" think or believe.. not me
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Post by truth1 on Jun 11, 2005 6:48:16 GMT -5
I do, but do you? Injustice isn't the same as illegal or unlawfull. Unlawfull is always injustice, but injustice isn't always unlawfull. Of course it is. The state is saying that it is legal to execute someone for capital murder. Therefore, an injustice has not occurred.
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Post by catskillz on Jun 11, 2005 6:59:44 GMT -5
I do, but do you? Injustice isn't the same as illegal or unlawfull. Unlawfull is always injustice, but injustice isn't always unlawfull. Of course it is. The state is saying that it is legal to execute someone for capital murder. Therefore, an injustice has not occurred. Hitler lawfully killed millions of jews according to his laws, do u believe that was justice?
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Post by truth1 on Jun 11, 2005 7:06:07 GMT -5
And talking about "large scale assumptions", you are constantly saying what "the" or "all" "antis" think or believe.. not me Every anti on this site has always said the same thing. Look at previous posts. How many antis reply with, "you are absolutely right", or, "very true"?
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Post by truth1 on Jun 11, 2005 7:11:51 GMT -5
Of course it is. The state is saying that it is legal to execute someone for capital murder. Therefore, an injustice has not occurred. Hitler lawfully killed millions of jews according to his laws, do u believe that was justice? You cannot compare Adolf Hitler to the United States Government--they are incomparable. Hitler killed weak Germans and Jews. The government in the US kills people that kill other people. Huge difference. That is such an impotent argument.
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Post by catskillz on Jun 11, 2005 7:27:34 GMT -5
Hitler lawfully killed millions of jews according to his laws, do u believe that was justice? You cannot compare Adolf Hitler to the United States Government--they are incomparable. Hitler killed weak Germans and Jews. The government in the US kills people that kill other people. Huge difference. That is such an impotent argument. That impotent argument follows your own reasoning. We are talking about the concepts law vs justice. I mention this example just to show u that it justice is also about morality and ethics not just the law.
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 11, 2005 7:32:21 GMT -5
Back that statement up with facts.... not personal opinion. Now you want facts? It is funny when you antis make grand-scale assumptions about murderers because you know one and then demand proof when someone states something to the contrary. I just wanted to see the stats that you base your opinion on....or some kind of news articles or somethings....... I'm "assuming" you base you're opinion on something to that nature rather than making it up in your head.
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Post by truth1 on Jun 11, 2005 7:38:25 GMT -5
You cannot compare Adolf Hitler to the United States Government--they are incomparable. Hitler killed weak Germans and Jews. The government in the US kills people that kill other people. Huge difference. That is such an impotent argument. That impotent argument follows your own reasoning. We are talking about the concepts law vs justice. I mention this example just to show u that it justice is also about morality and ethics not just the law. They are still two totally different concepts.
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Post by truth1 on Jun 11, 2005 7:41:35 GMT -5
Now you want facts? It is funny when you antis make grand-scale assumptions about murderers because you know one and then demand proof when someone states something to the contrary. I just wanted to see the stats that you base your opinion on....or some kind of news articles or somethings....... I'm "assuming" you base you're opinion on something to that nature rather than making it up in your head. Nope. It was an opinion. Just like the thousands the antis post here every day. Of course there are not 3 murderers in prison that would murder again if they were free to every one that would not. But the point was driven home.
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Post by ela on Jun 11, 2005 7:42:44 GMT -5
Well... we could talk long about US government and it's killing only people who kill other people... I mean... well.. nevermind.. I am going out of topic... but all the world knows that USA kills whoever wants to kill. You have the power, but this is different that making justice. And that's again why justice and law are two veeeeeeeeeeery diiiiiiiiiiiiifferent things.
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 11, 2005 7:48:58 GMT -5
I just wanted to see the stats that you base your opinion on....or some kind of news articles or somethings....... I'm "assuming" you base you're opinion on something to that nature rather than making it up in your head. Nope. It was an opinion. Just like the thousands the antis post here every day. Of course there are not 3 murderers in prison that would murder again if they were free to every one that would not. But the point was driven home. Many anti's have "facts" before becoming anti in the first place..... I've got plenty of facts posted in here, and from US Government sites......
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Post by electricchairusa on Jun 11, 2005 7:52:53 GMT -5
The basic thing is THIS in a nutshell you can banter back n forth pro veiws vs anti veiws til the very end of time but here in the United States matters of capital punishment are generally decided on a basis of whatever the majority of resident's of a particular US State want and until a mass majority in that state decide they wish to do away with the DP no matter what you wish or desire does not matter and you will change or effect nothing thats not an oppinion ...just pure simple truth
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Post by truth1 on Jun 11, 2005 7:55:57 GMT -5
Well... we could talk long about US government and it's killing only people who kill other people... I mean... well.. nevermind.. I am going out of topic... but all the world knows that USA kills whoever wants to kill. You have the power, but this is different that making justice. And that's again why justice and law are two veeeeeeeeeeery diiiiiiiiiiiiifferent things. The murderers could have moved to a different country before they killed. That is the law of this particular jungle. Like it or not.
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