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Post by truth1 on Jun 8, 2005 14:48:20 GMT -5
what i tihnk is its not rational nor justice..its just an emotional thing to take the right to kill a person...not everything called "law" is right just because its called "law"....like i said this wishes to see people dead are just emotional and i still think justice has to be rational only...what rational is a "death wish" unless it comes from the person him/herself..its just "lnych-justice" to satisfy some people ..i read a lot about Mr.Bundys case and i saw that he was a sick and dangerous person...but what good was it to kill him...i mean he could have spent the rest of his "life" in a modern hi-sec prison...is life-imprisonment not justice and even necessary for some people...like i said this killing-stuff called executions is just cheapest revenge on lowest level...i mean how primitive is it to nkilla helpless person and hide it behind the words "law" and "justice" to justify it..why not be honest enough tocall it what it is: Revenge of a primitive kind always Mo-DAWG Whether it is right or not is irrelevant--it IS the law.
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Post by truth1 on Jun 8, 2005 14:50:50 GMT -5
I was in a holding cell with a man who murdered another man. I remember prior to going to the jail, I was scared sh*tless because this guy was a "murderer" That wasn't the case. He was very remorseful from the beginning. He messed up. Never killed again. -------------------------------- Another man got 5 years in TDCJ for manslaughter (got in a fight...self defense) He's been out for more than 10 years.....no trouble. ------------------------ I'm sure those men who have killed in war have the taste for killing......they don't come back home and kill. -------------------------------- people change, people grow up. For every one that gets out and does not murder again, there are probably 3 that would.
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Post by truth1 on Jun 8, 2005 14:59:27 GMT -5
I'm sure......but why kill the remorseful ones in order to keep killing the bundy's....... It's just not right. We're executing some good people that don't deserve it. Sure, they deserve to be in prison the rest of their lives, but not for us to kill them. We have executions in Texas, but people are still murdering other here. The death penalty isn't stopping that from happening. The death penalty was used as a deterrent. Now, it is considered to be punishment.
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Post by truth1 on Jun 8, 2005 15:09:20 GMT -5
Ok since I have to reply to both sclcookie and MoDawg I will do it in the oder posed to me this 1st post cookie , my next posting will be for MoDawg Sclcookie I do see you"re point and I agree its an imperfect system I do not know if Richard Carwright was guilty or not I damn well know Ted Bundy was But both men were executed none the less Mr Bundy was a rather heinous and vile individual You could sense that just by being near him you would get a creepy feeling everytime he was near and your hairs would stand up when he spoke I am convinced to this day still he was a human incarnate of pure dark evil I regret that my and my fellow officer's job had to be done but I honest to GOD think we did a great public service that day we sent him onward As for other convicted individuals I was not always sure we were doing the right thing or on rare occasions I was not entirely convinced we had the right person that maybe we were not actually electrocuting the real killer It is an imperfect system that sometimes is wrong and unjust and unfair but for the moment in the States that have the DP it is the law of the land so to speak And only a mass concenses by a vast majority of the populace will change that Allen Davis was another great service to the public.
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Post by truth1 on Jun 8, 2005 15:11:58 GMT -5
As a European, I find even the idea of DP repulsive. I can not believe America, the biggest power in the world executes it's own people. Here in the UK we abolished this unreliable system, DECADES ago. We are dealing with criminals since then quite happily and the British people for a FACT would cause UPROAR if any Government tried to reinstate the DP. That said Government would be thrown out of office by it own people. Maybe we just care more for ALL our citizens. I think our mind-set is way in front of American politics. Anyway, welcome to the board. Wow! You are so far advanced! Keep in mind that the UK also does not have the crime that we have.
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Post by catskillz on Jun 8, 2005 15:12:42 GMT -5
We are dealing with criminals since then quite happily and the British people for a FACT would cause UPROAR if any Government tried to reinstate the DP. Bringing up the death penalty here or even talking about the possibility of reinstating it is the best way for a politician to get rid of his job.. everyone starts to question. .. it's just one of those things that is not done. It is considered extreme, radical, uncivilised, and very..very.. unnessecary Repression doesn't solve problems, it's only good for politics and rhetoric because it is the easiest way out and always good for votes of people that actually buy into that. I don't see decreases in the amount of murders in the dp states. What does rise are juvenile and violent crimes, young people reflect your society, in fact u also created them as society.. otherwise there would be equal crime rates everywhere.. if it is only in the mind. Are american people generally more violent than we are? ..More security more prisons more intelligence less privacy higher sentences etc etc etc. In the end it isn't effective at all, in fact it's a downwards spiral. The government and peole should rather work on other issues that would actually help to prevent murders. U can execute a person but the victim is dead. What's the use, we have lifers here too.. none ever commit murders in jail.. then again our jails can't be compared to the us jails i'm sure. We just take their freedom, which is all that really counts. Dead person doesn't suffer, only the living do! Best catz
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Post by catskillz on Jun 8, 2005 15:13:22 GMT -5
Wow! You are so far advanced! The UK also does not have the crime that we have. And why would that be? We are getting there truth..
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Post by catskillz on Jun 8, 2005 15:23:47 GMT -5
I'm in favour of raising murder sentences here with up to 40%, that often compares to a decrease in time 'for sentence in the US', and sometimes it will be the same, up to lwop.
Catz
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Post by freerob on Jun 8, 2005 17:56:44 GMT -5
law is irrelevant when its injustice.... Mo-DAWG UK USA Go figure (as you say)
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Post by jj on Jun 8, 2005 18:00:27 GMT -5
For every one that gets out and does not murder again, there are probably 3 that would. Back that statement up with facts.... not personal opinion.
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 8, 2005 21:00:04 GMT -5
Back that statement up with facts.... not personal opinion. yeah, I want to see the stats on that truth1, please . specifically murderers who get back out. hugggz to you.
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Post by truth1 on Jun 11, 2005 5:55:36 GMT -5
Whether it is right or not is irrelevant--it IS the law. law is irrelevant when its injustice.... Mo-DAWG An injustice is based on fact--not opinion, my dear.
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Post by truth1 on Jun 11, 2005 6:01:09 GMT -5
For every one that gets out and does not murder again, there are probably 3 that would. Back that statement up with facts.... not personal opinion. Now you want facts? It is funny when you antis make grand-scale assumptions about murderers because you know one and then demand proof when someone states something to the contrary.
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Post by catskillz on Jun 11, 2005 6:15:10 GMT -5
www.google. An injustice is based on fact--not opinion, my dear. Justice \Jus"tice\, n. [F., fr. L. justitia, fr. justus just. See Just, a.] 1. The quality of being just; conformity to the principles of righteousness and rectitude in all things; strict performance of moral obligations; practical conformity to human or divine law; integrity in the dealings of men with each other; rectitude; equity; uprightness. 2. Conformity to truth and reality in expressing opinions and in conduct; fair representation of facts respecting merit or demerit; honesty; fidelity; impartiality; as, the justice of a description or of a judgment; historical justice. 3. The rendering to every one his due or right; just treatment; requital of desert; merited reward or punishment; that which is due to one's conduct or motives. 4. Agreeableness to right; equity; justness; as, the justice of a claim.
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Post by catskillz on Jun 11, 2005 6:21:36 GMT -5
Back that statement up with facts.... not personal opinion. Now you want facts? It is funny when you antis make grand-scale assumptions about murderers because you know one and then demand proof when someone states something to the contrary. I don't make grand scale assumptions, i don't know a murderer and i can back up all arguments either with scientifical proof, figures and/or by belief. Why is it funny if someone asks u to provide these things as well when u state something? Why not provide it..
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