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Post by gill on May 28, 2005 6:12:38 GMT -5
I've only been registered on this site for 3 weeks or so, and yet I have come across a lot of people who are pro death row. They're always bickering about how the death penalty is not murder, how offenders deserve to be killed, how anti death row people are fools who believe them all to be innocent. Gill
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Post by damaris on May 31, 2005 2:54:21 GMT -5
Thank you Gill! No pro will change my mind about the death penalty.
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Post by Lili on May 31, 2005 3:39:53 GMT -5
I want someone to explain me why there is no "help" the antis offer the victims family, unless they are anti themselves. I want to know why most (I stress most) antis usually dont even know the victims name. I want to know why when they do, they rarely mention it.Thats what I want to find out, but no one can seem to explain. Dear Missyme, I kindly ask you to read more carefully ALL that is posted on this board. All of us are very sorry for the victims and their families and we never said that a person who murdered another person should walk free. A murderer should stay in prison for the whole or great part of his/hers life or go to mental hospital to be treated. If someone is innocent, then he/she should walk free, of course. And the State should pay for its mistake and compensate materially for all the tortures a person went through while on the death row. If a State kills a person in your name, that makes you a murder too, doesn’t it? So what is a difference between you and those who are sitting on the death row (guilty)? |
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Post by Lili on May 31, 2005 6:19:11 GMT -5
Can you say that IF the DP was abolished, antis would not start with the whole LWOP is a violation of civil rights? They cant do this, they cant do that...abolish LWOP. Let’s take step by step…WHEN the DP gets abolished then we’ll talk about human rights in prisons  |
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Post by gill on May 31, 2005 8:30:07 GMT -5
The state doesnt KILL them. They are executed. I tell ya what...you antis get together and support them for the rest of their lives so we pros dont have to and that will at least knock down just ONE of our reasons. Can you say that IF the DP was abolished, antis would not start with the whole LWOP is a violation of civil rights? They cant do this, they cant do that...abolish LWOP.  The State does kill them. I think the word you're looking for is 'murder'. As anti death penalty, my argument is, there should not be legal murder. Executing/killing, whichever word you feel less guilty about, is sending out the message to society that it's ok to kill those who we believe have offended us. I don't think it is. And I don't care you're you're George Bush or some waster claiming benefits; taking the life of another human being is shocking. I'm pro life. Everyones life. |
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Post by ex member on May 31, 2005 9:50:15 GMT -5
I want someone to explain me why there is no "help" the antis offer the victims family, unless they are anti themselves. What type of "help" would you like to see offered? I've seen both pros & antis send kind thoughts and prayers to those who have lost someone to murder. What do you mean by "help"? I want to know why most (I stress most) antis usually dont even know the victims name. Which victim are you referring to? I know about several different murders, I know the victims names as well as the murderers. We can't memorize ALL victims so which ones are you referring to? I want to know why when they do, they rarely mention it.Thats what I want to find out, but no one can seem to explain. In what way would you like them mentioned? There are memorial sites out there for victims, and individuals have created memorial sites for their specific loved ones or others. In what context would you like to see them mentioned? Be more specific in your questions and perhaps more peole would respond and try to answer you. You speak as if you are asking for ALL victims, no one can answer for ALL but some of us can answer for one or two... get specific. Hugs, Pam |
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Post by ex member on May 31, 2005 9:53:39 GMT -5
The State does kill them. I think the word you're looking for is 'murder'. As anti death penalty, my argument is, there should not be legal murder. Executing/killing, whichever word you feel less guilty about, is sending out the message to society that it's ok to kill those who we believe have offended us. I don't think it is. And I don't care you're you're George Bush or some waster claiming benefits; taking the life of another human being is shocking. I'm pro life. Everyones life. By defination execution is not murder it is homicide. I'm anti and I like to call it murder because it sounds so much worse and helps to express my feelings more. But, execution is in fact homicide, not murder. |
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Post by mikebook on May 31, 2005 9:57:23 GMT -5
When robbers and thieves stop using capitol punishment to get what they want, then I will consider switching sides. But as that is impossible, I guess I am safe.
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Post by gill on May 31, 2005 9:59:06 GMT -5
By defination execution is not murder it is homicide. I'm anti and I like to call it murder because it sounds so much worse and helps to express my feelings more. But, execution is in fact homicide, not murder. I know it isn't murder. I was responding to a message whereby a pro dealth penalty person was claiming that the State doesn't kill offenders. I was suggesting that she meant the State doesn't "murder" offenders, because of course they kill them. Does that make any sense? Hugs, Gill |
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Post by mikebook on May 31, 2005 10:06:49 GMT -5
They are not killed. They are not murdered. They have the lawfully imposed sentence of the court carried out. It is an execution.
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Post by gill on May 31, 2005 10:09:43 GMT -5
They are not killed. They are not murdered. They have the lawfully imposed sentence of the court carried out. It is an execution. They are killed. Look up the dictionary - 'Kill' means 'To put to death'. Want another meaning? 'To deprive of life'. That is the meaning of the word kill. So they are killed, because the State puts them to death, and deprives them of life. |
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Post by gill on May 31, 2005 10:17:59 GMT -5
They are not killed. They are not murdered. They have the lawfully imposed sentence of the court carried out. It is an execution. And just to prevent a ridiculous message criticising my definition of the word 'kill', here's your proof. Click on the website. Brings you to the online dictionary, already prepared with the word 'kill' in the reference. Thank you!! I rest my case!! dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kill |
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Post by mikebook on May 31, 2005 10:24:17 GMT -5
execution /éksikyshn/ n.
1. the carrying out of a sentence of death.
2. the act or an instance of carrying out or performing something.
3. technique or style of performance in the arts, esp. music.
4. (a) seizure of the property or person of a debtor in default of payment. (b) a judicial writ enforcing a judgment.
- DERIVATIVES executionary adj.
How to cite this entry:
"execution n." The Oxford American Dictionary of Current English. Oxford University Press, 1999. Oxford Reference Online. Oxford University Press. Cisco Junior College. 31 May 2005 <http://www.oxfordreference.com/views/ENTRY.html?subview=Main&entry=t21.e10649>
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Post by gill on May 31, 2005 10:28:16 GMT -5
When robbers and thieves stop using capitol punishment to get what they want, then I will consider switching sides. But as that is impossible, I guess I am safe. Well, until someone falsely accuses you of murder, and you find yourself on death row for something you're innocent of, yes I suppose you are safe. |
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Post by gill on May 31, 2005 10:29:07 GMT -5
execution /éksikyshn/ n. 1. the carrying out of a sentence of death. 2. the act or an instance of carrying out or performing something. 3. technique or style of performance in the arts, esp. music. 4. (a) seizure of the property or person of a debtor in default of payment. (b) a judicial writ enforcing a judgment. - DERIVATIVES executionary adj. How to cite this entry: "execution n." The Oxford American Dictionary of Current English. Oxford University Press, 1999. Oxford Reference Online. Oxford University Press. Cisco Junior College. 31 May 2005 <http://www.oxfordreference.com/views/ENTRY.html?subview=Main&entry=t21.e10649> Yes that is the meaning of execution. But I did prove that they are killed. What's your point? |
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The State does kill them. I think the word you're looking for is 'murder'. As anti death penalty, my argument is, there should not be legal murder. Executing/killing, whichever word you feel less guilty about, is sending out the message to society that it's ok to kill those who we believe have offended us. I don't think it is. And I don't care you're you're George Bush or some waster claiming benefits; taking the life of another human being is shocking. I'm pro life. Everyones life.