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Post by roy on Jun 23, 2005 18:29:20 GMT -5
This site is very interesting, but there are a few items on page one that demean the site.
1) You have one link titled "Killer Keating" about Oklahoma's Governor. The Governor of any state has specific duties related to the death penalty that are a reflection of the laws enacted by the Legislature. There would be no death penalty in the United States if it did not have widespread popular support. If you use phrases such as this to describe the Governor of a state, you may as well use them to describe any person who supports the death penalty or any member of the victim's family who also may support the death penalty.
2) You make disparaging comments about Bush and Perry. Fine, those are your points of view. But in Texas the Governor actually has no power to commute a death sentence without a positive recommendation from the Board of Pardons and Parole. He can also only stay an execution once, for no longer than 30 days. So implying that the Governor is responsible for executions in Texas is incorrect.
One is certainly entitled to disagree with the death penalty, and raise the (many) problems with it, but this approach undermines your credibility.
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Post by jj on Jun 23, 2005 18:52:53 GMT -5
You think this is offensive language? Boy have you been sheltered!!
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Post by cynthia on Jun 23, 2005 18:58:28 GMT -5
This site is very interesting, but there are a few items on page one that demean the site. 1) You have one link titled "Killer Keating" about Oklahoma's Governor. The Governor of any state has specific duties related to the death penalty that are a reflection of the laws enacted by the Legislature. There would be no death penalty in the United States if it did not have widespread popular support. If you use phrases such as this to describe the Governor of a state, you may as well use them to describe any person who supports the death penalty or any member of the victim's family who also may support the death penalty. 2) You make disparaging comments about Bush and Perry. Fine, those are your points of view. But in Texas the Governor actually has no power to commute a death sentence without a positive recommendation from the Board of Pardons and Parole. He can also only stay an execution once, for no longer than 30 days. So implying that the Governor is responsible for executions in Texas is incorrect. One is certainly entitled to disagree with the death penalty, and raise the (many) problems with it, but this approach undermines your credibility. WHAT??
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Post by injector on Jun 23, 2005 19:03:37 GMT -5
This site is very interesting, but there are a few items on page one that demean the site. 1) You have one link titled "Killer Keating" about Oklahoma's Governor. The Governor of any state has specific duties related to the death penalty that are a reflection of the laws enacted by the Legislature. There would be no death penalty in the United States if it did not have widespread popular support. If you use phrases such as this to describe the Governor of a state, you may as well use them to describe any person who supports the death penalty or any member of the victim's family who also may support the death penalty. 2) You make disparaging comments about Bush and Perry. Fine, those are your points of view. But in Texas the Governor actually has no power to commute a death sentence without a positive recommendation from the Board of Pardons and Parole. He can also only stay an execution once, for no longer than 30 days. So implying that the Governor is responsible for executions in Texas is incorrect. One is certainly entitled to disagree with the death penalty, and raise the (many) problems with it, but this approach undermines your credibility. This is a good post. Its true, the governor in TX has little power to stop an execution. It is misleading to imply that he is responsible for executions. It is the will of the people and the sentences imposed by juries who decide on the DP. Not the governor.
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Post by jj on Jun 23, 2005 19:09:59 GMT -5
This site is very interesting, but there are a few items on page one that demean the site. 1) You have one link titled "Killer Keating" about Oklahoma's Governor. The Governor of any state has specific duties related to the death penalty that are a reflection of the laws enacted by the Legislature. There would be no death penalty in the United States if it did not have widespread popular support. If you use phrases such as this to describe the Governor of a state, you may as well use them to describe any person who supports the death penalty or any member of the victim's family who also may support the death penalty. 2) You make disparaging comments about Bush and Perry. Fine, those are your points of view. But in Texas the Governor actually has no power to commute a death sentence without a positive recommendation from the Board of Pardons and Parole. He can also only stay an execution once, for no longer than 30 days. So implying that the Governor is responsible for executions in Texas is incorrect. One is certainly entitled to disagree with the death penalty, and raise the (many) problems with it, but this approach undermines your credibility. This is a good post. Its true, the governor in TX has little power to stop an execution. It is misleading to imply that he is responsible for executions. It is the will of the people and the sentences imposed by juries who decide on the DP. Not the governor. If the board of pardon and paroles recommend clemency, he can commute a sentence. Perry has refused their recommendations several times.
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Post by injector on Jun 23, 2005 19:13:56 GMT -5
This is a good post. Its true, the governor in TX has little power to stop an execution. It is misleading to imply that he is responsible for executions. It is the will of the people and the sentences imposed by juries who decide on the DP. Not the governor. If the board of pardon and paroles recommend clemency, he can commute a sentence. Perry has refused their recommendations several times. It is his job to enforce the will of the people. It would be wrong of him to impose his own views on the majority. Demonetizing him is propaganda. Blame or laud the people of TX.
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 23, 2005 20:43:58 GMT -5
Perry can at least give a 30 day stay where necessary. He has a little bit of power. Plus they are all politicians, so they talk with each other on "who wants this" or "what do you think my voters want me to say"....they have advisors....... I sure wouldn't want to take advice from their advisors, however.
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Post by roy on Jun 25, 2005 18:18:35 GMT -5
I did some checking and the Governor of Oklahoma also does not have the power to commute without a positive recommendation from that state's clemency board.
During George Bush's term as Governor, the Board of Pardons and Paroles only recommended one commutation. So the Governor actually had no power to commute any death sentence except that one.
Therefore, the information on the opening page is misleading.
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Post by sally104 on Jun 26, 2005 21:56:27 GMT -5
I thought u were talking about using bad language
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Post by roy on Jun 27, 2005 9:02:32 GMT -5
Well the language is particularly offensive given that the items on page one imply that these governors are responsible for the death penalty in their respective states.
Like I said earlier you may as well show pictures of the victims' families and call them "killers" if they support the execution of the murderers.
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Post by CCADP on Jun 27, 2005 9:09:39 GMT -5
Any one who as part of his job is happy; to sign execution warrants, never having a problem with it; never agonizing over it; even laughing and mocking those he executed like TEXECUTIONER BUSH did about Tucker and during the election debates about the dragging deaths; - IS part of the problem; and IS as bad as the worst mentally ill serial killer as far as I am concerned; because he's doing it to keep his job and advance his career. THATS offensive. And I'd tell them the same to their face.
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Post by mikebook on Jun 27, 2005 9:57:53 GMT -5
In Texas, the trial judge signs the warrent, not the governor. Gov. Perry can only offer a 30 day stay or maybe a longer one to see some evidence...That is all he can do... He has to decide if he is going to reccomend a stay, based on the Board of Pardons and Parole and what they say...He can ask them to think about a certain way to see things, I would think, but all 18 of them vote the way they want...I am certain that it is very serious business and and that they treat it that way...
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 27, 2005 14:16:54 GMT -5
Politics....how will Texas people vote for me or the ones I support if I recommend too many stays....and who are we going to keep on the board to vote for clemency, stays or whatever......only when we want.
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Post by mikebook on Jun 27, 2005 14:27:20 GMT -5
I am sure if the Gov. wanted, he could phone them and tell them how he feels about the person... But I am not sure about that either...
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Post by roy on Jun 27, 2005 14:33:47 GMT -5
"Happy to sign death warrants" ... who says so? Where is the evidence.
And no matter what the circumstances, the claim that a Governor who supports the death penalty "IS as bad as the worst mentally ill serial killer" ... has to rank as one of the most ridiculous statements I have read in a long time.
It's a position that is totally out of touch with reality. You need to take a couple of deep breaths and probably not have anything to do with the death penalty issue for about a year. That would perhaps restore some perspective to your position.
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