miscmood
Doin' Time
If the world is night, shine my life like a light
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Post by miscmood on Jun 27, 2005 22:18:10 GMT -5
very simple...If they will stop killing and stealing for a living, then I will support the end of captol punishment...I will support LWOP...Which is even worse, because the person inside loses so very much out of life...The dead cannot do anything. Time does indeed heal all wounds and we tend to forget or to gloss over events in the past...LWOP is living entombment. Even if the person does get out, often so much time has passed and their families have forgotten them, do not wish to communicate, or have died off. I realize this may sound harsh and mean, but I do not intend it to be so... For example, at Angola Prison, in LA, 85% of the inmates will be buried there...And the thought of that scares them... It is a misconception that time heals all wounds. There is no getting over, only somehow through... And, further, there is no forgetting. Forgiving, perhaps, if one's heart is not hardened from unrelenting pain and grief, but in my experience, never forgetting. Healing can perhaps take place when the cause of the injury is permantly removed. In my case, that won't happen until the day my son walks out of prison. Until then, my heart is an open wound that is continually opened. Part of your post reminds me of the film "Shawhank Redemption" in which one long time inmate is finally released after no rehabilitation whatsoever. He's handed a pittance of money and a new set of clothes and sent on his way. He's old enough now that he has no one left at all who even remembers him, let alone remembers what he did to spend all that time in prison. He makes an effort, but in the end, kills himself when he just cannot cope. One way or the other, prison eventually kills a person, either from the inside or the outside. In any case, I still fail to see how a wrong corrects a wrong. You've got to have a yin for a yang; both exist or neither exists. Two wrongs are still a very big wrong; nothing is accomplished. Nothing is moved forward at all. One step ahead and one step backward keeps us all in the same place. How can we bring about positive change if we are not willing to change the way we act and react? Eternally hopeful, Missy
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 28, 2005 7:09:10 GMT -5
I've got that letter in the mail asking about inviting the Governor to his execution. I did stress though to make sure that's what he wants to do and that there wouldn't be any hard feelings if he felt it wasn't the right thing for him to do.
hugggz, Suzanne
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Post by CCADP on Jun 28, 2005 7:13:01 GMT -5
Excellent! Yes, I always made sure to make sure they knew it was only a suggestion; and just for those who wish to do it. The ones that I mentioned it to; I already knew were political and wanted to make noise (amos king and shaka sankofa)...so they loved it. But I havent suggested it to people I didnt know....
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Post by freerob on Jun 28, 2005 13:11:28 GMT -5
very simple...If they will stop killing and stealing for a living, then I will support the end of captol punishment...I will support LWOP...Which is even worse, because the person inside loses so very much out of life...The dead cannot do anything. Time does indeed heal all wounds and we tend to forget or to gloss over events in the past...LWOP is living entombment. Even if the person does get out, often so much time has passed and their families have forgotten them, do not wish to communicate, or have died off. I realize this may sound harsh and mean, but I do not intend it to be so... For example, at Angola Prison, in LA, 85% of the inmates will be buried there...And the thought of that scares them... It is a misconception that time heals all wounds. There is no getting over, only somehow through... And, further, there is no forgetting. Forgiving, perhaps, if one's heart is not hardened from unrelenting pain and grief, but in my experience, never forgetting. Healing can perhaps take place when the cause of the injury is permantly removed. In my case, that won't happen until the day my son walks out of prison. Until then, my heart is an open wound that is continually opened. Part of your post reminds me of the film "Shawhank Redemption" in which one long time inmate is finally released after no rehabilitation whatsoever. He's handed a pittance of money and a new set of clothes and sent on his way. He's old enough now that he has no one left at all who even remembers him, let alone remembers what he did to spend all that time in prison. He makes an effort, but in the end, kills himself when he just cannot cope. One way or the other, prison eventually kills a person, either from the inside or the outside. In any case, I still fail to see how a wrong corrects a wrong. You've got to have a yin for a yang; both exist or neither exists. Two wrongs are still a very big wrong; nothing is accomplished. Nothing is moved forward at all. One step ahead and one step backward keeps us all in the same place. How can we bring about positive change if we are not willing to change the way we act and react? Eternally hopeful, Missy Missy, Like Tina says, there are the 'other' victims that are never addressed. Never catered for. Never counselled. As a mother of a convicted murderer, you also live the LWOP he does. As do I, his brother's Danny & Ben and the many other family and friends of Josh. What did WE do wrong? Nothing at all. The pro's will say it's ALL the murderer's fault that we are in this situation. In our case.... ARE WE? that's yet to be investigated. All I know is that as a family, our lives have forever been changed, in a very sad, negative way. For goodness sake, if YOUR child committed a MURDER at just 14, would you still want to see your kid in jail for the rest of his/her life, or WORSE, the DP if it was allowed? YOUR OWN KID??? No one understands what it's like unless they live it. It's like a Rape Counsellor. UNLESS that therapist has 'BEEN' there' how on earth can they REALLY know what it's like? listening to others? Reading a text book? I don't think so. No-one KNOWS this dreadful situation unless they've already lived it. Please pro's, have a little understanding over this. Josh was a child at 14. I know I was not an ADULT at 14. Were you?
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Post by catskillz on Jun 28, 2005 13:15:40 GMT -5
Josh was a child at 14. I know I was not an ADULT at 14. Were you? Not even close, wasn't even a puber then ! I think i didn't grow up (in this context ;D) untill i was 18-19-20.
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Post by freerob on Jun 28, 2005 13:19:00 GMT -5
Josh was a child at 14. I know I was not an ADULT at 14. Were you? Not even close, wasn't even a puber then ! I think i didn't grow up (in this context ;D) untill i was 18-19-20. you are hilarious Catz!!! not even puber!!! ;D I get what you mean!!! It's just so sad. Thanks for your kind input. Best Miles
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Post by roy on Jul 1, 2005 8:58:57 GMT -5
I have been reading some of the above posts. Essentially the points raised by the antis posit that there is moral equivilence between the actions of murderers, serial killers, etc and those of the state.
OK, you can argue that position, but 95 percent of society disagrees with you. If you want to make progress against the death penalty that position simply won't fly. The more you make it, the more your position is undermined. The fact that you can't see that suggests to me that you won't be very successful in your campaign.
2) A Governor has no moral obligation to attend an execution. He might chose to do so for personal reasons, but there is no obligation to do so as part of the responsibilities of his office. Once again, to argue that this is the case suggests moral equivilence between murderers and those elected to implement the law.
3) In the next few days Karla Homulka is being released. That is truly immoral! That dishonours the victims she butchered. That demonstrates fundamental immorality in the justic system! I think we should forget about the death penalty in a foreign state for a while and instead concentrate on the far greater immorality in our own justice system!
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Post by CCADP on Jul 1, 2005 13:38:42 GMT -5
I think Homolka should have got LWOP - and I guess if the jury wanted then to believe she was the lesser partner in crime; they could extend mercy with a 40 years to life sentence or something; letting her free no sooner than the age of 65 or so....
I think 12 years for those three murders IS a terrible and ridiculous sentence and an affront not only to the victims but to all Canadians. I'm angry at the justice system for making such an unneccessary deal with her and painting her as a victim where if they had done the actual investigations; found the videotape; etc etc it she'd be sitting in jail as long as Bernardo - but the media doesn't seem to want to call the justice system to account for this; (or for that matter for having never caught Bernardo years before the murders; when his DNA from the Scarborough rapes was sitting for years in a police evidence locker somewhere; untested.
This is just another case of the justice system not being just.
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