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Post by garotte on Jul 11, 2005 8:02:46 GMT -5
This Ukranian man murdered 52 people in robberies (most of them with arsons) in 2 murderous peridos with a 7 years lapse. The victims ranged from months old children to old people; he had used guns, a hammer and an axe to committ his crimes. He had no remorse for his crimes and would reoffend again if freed one day.
At his 1999 trial the judge had 2 options, according to Ukrainian law: sentencing him to death by gunshot, or to 15 years in prison, with no possibility of consecutive sentences.
If you were the judge, which sentence would you choose?
Garotte
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 11, 2005 8:09:30 GMT -5
sounds like someone needs to work on the justice system. I can't convict anyone of the death sentence, as hard as it may be sometimes, but it's not my right by God.
Sorry.
hugggz
Suzanne
P.S. Hope he gets some major rehab in those 15 years.
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Post by garotte on Jul 11, 2005 8:27:29 GMT -5
Rehabilitation is impossible for Anatoly Onoprienko.
The judge sentenced him to Death Penalty. However, the following year Death Penalty was abolsihed in Ukraine. The great majority of sentences were commuted to life imprisonment, available since the very first moment of abbolition of DP. His wasn't, so at the present moment he could still be theoretically executed, even if there's yet no DP in Ukraine. It is unknown how the case will develop.
Garotte
Note: Sentencing him to 15 years would have been the equivalent of signing the death sentences of dozens of innocent people.
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 11, 2005 8:30:13 GMT -5
Sounds like they need LWOP and the sentence to be retroactive to him.
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Post by bichwittude on Jul 11, 2005 12:40:18 GMT -5
This Ukranian man murdered 52 people in robberies (most of them with arsons) in 2 murderous peridos with a 7 years lapse. The victims ranged from months old children to old people; he had used guns, a hammer and an axe to committ his crimes. He had no remorse for his crimes and would reoffend again if freed one day. At his 1999 trial the judge had 2 options, according to Ukrainian law: sentencing him to death by gunshot, or to 15 years in prison, with no possibility of consecutive sentences. If you were the judge, which sentence would you choose? Garotte You are asking a no win question Garotte, but I understand the point to it. This is a sad story. Let us know what the out come is.  |
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Post by thebiganti on Jul 12, 2005 13:22:45 GMT -5
He should be put in a psychiatry until he is cured!
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Post by garotte on Jul 13, 2005 4:37:22 GMT -5
He should be put in a psychiatry until he is cured! Psychopaths CANNOT be cured!!! You may believe completely in rehabilitation, but facts are there: if he is ever released, he will murder again. Fortunately, he's still on a DP, the most possible thing is he will remain under such a sentence until he dies of natural death; however, the President could still order his execution. Garotte |
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Post by ela on Jul 13, 2005 4:41:55 GMT -5
here in Italy we have criminal psychiatric hospitals... where we have Psychopats murderers. And it works
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Post by mikebook on Jul 13, 2005 8:51:49 GMT -5
A hospital might be a good place...A prison might be another. As long as he does not get out to kill again either outside or inside such a facility.
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Post by garotte on Jul 13, 2005 8:53:42 GMT -5
Hi Ela!
Please NAME me a single murderous psychopath rehabilitated.
I'm studying to become a forensic psychiatrist, and true non-hearted (scientifical name, even if it may seem strange) psychopaths are out of any rehabilitation...
So you would unsuccesfully try to rehab him and, when he behaves well in prison, give him free to kill again?
Garotte
Note: I think the penalty system needs both rehabilitation AND punishment as twin goals.
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 13, 2005 8:55:17 GMT -5
He needs to be in a psychiatrict hospital for sure, and probably for the rest of his life, to see what makes him tick.
hugggz,
Suzanne
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Post by ela on Jul 13, 2005 8:58:02 GMT -5
What i am talking about in fact, is a mix between hospital + prison. It is just for those inmates who need pshychiatric charges and can not cohabit with the rest of population.
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Post by ela on Jul 13, 2005 9:03:21 GMT -5
Hi Ela! Please NAME me a single murderous psychopath rehabilitated. I'm studying to become a forensic psychiatrist, and true non-hearted (scientifical name, even if it may seem strange) psychopaths are out of any rehabilitation... So you would unsuccesfully try to rehab him and, when he behaves well in prison, give him free to kill again? Garotte Note: I think the penalty system needs both rehabilitation AND punishment as twin goals. Hi garotte! Nice to meet you. Of course there is some psichiatric patology that can not be cured; however those psichiatric hospitals are made not only for rehabilitate, but sometimes inmates spend their whole life there inside... it is just different from a prison, becouse inside of those places they can be cured and NOT only be locked down. They have both there. Instead to spend their time in prison, they stay there... I think it is just respectful for those who have mental issues... and LIKE ANY OTHER KIND OF disease... they must be cured.... We cure people also for making them feel better and ameliorate their life conditions... I mean... do you cure your self only when you can completely recover? They pay for their crimes and they get specialistic assistance for their mental ilness... I see nothing wrong in that. |
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Post by mikebook on Jul 13, 2005 9:06:46 GMT -5
I do not know if such a person can be cured...But I would want to know if we can find out what makes him tick and study him for more clues into such horrible behaviour...
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 13, 2005 9:09:50 GMT -5
Yes, and learning from him hopefully treat others before they get to that point.
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