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Post by ela on Jul 13, 2005 9:10:38 GMT -5
I agree with you that this person probably will never be sane again... But of course he can be cured..... for example... when someone has a very very big ilness.. let's suppose on the last phase... of course we know what the end will be... but we cure him ... even if he/she will probably die soon... Nothing personal with this example... just an example.
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Post by mikebook on Jul 13, 2005 9:17:07 GMT -5
I do not think you can cure people like this. They enjoy what they do far too much... But if he can be studied to ensure that we can learn something and that he cannot hurt anyone, then that is OK. He hurts anyone and he is executed to ensure the safety of the rest of the world...
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Post by ela on Jul 13, 2005 9:21:36 GMT -5
Maybe I have some language problem at the moment... hmm... let's see...when I say "cure" him... I mean give him some medicines... to keep him calm and to stop his actions... of course if he has a mental problems.. he is not able to control his actions... there are medicines to keep this under control... this is what I mean when I use the word "cure".
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Post by mikebook on Jul 13, 2005 9:31:55 GMT -5
Medicate him, oh yes... Lots of good drugs...Keep him really mellow...
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Post by garotte on Jul 13, 2005 9:56:50 GMT -5
Hi both of you Psychopathy isn't a mental illness like schizophrenia, but a mental state like any other one. I explain: that is your non-changeable mental condition. It would be like saying homosexuality is an illness which may be "cured" (with all my respect for homosexual people rights, it's simple an example). You may drug him, but that won't cure. About studying them for discovering their motives and how we may prevent it, I agree completely with you, mikebook, that it has to be done (and CAN be done). However, this is completely compatible with a death sentence, as long as the inmate remains alive enough time to discover it. If not in Death Row, they should be put in prison, in maximum security: putting him in a health hospital isn't adequate, since he isn't ill at all; psychiatric examinations may be performed WO problem in prison. Sincerely Garotte
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Post by ela on Jul 13, 2005 10:07:38 GMT -5
Yes Garotte, you are right.... sorry... I misunderstood then... psichopaty is a mental condition that implicate many behaviors, like for example the transgression of the main "social" rules.... yes, this is curable only if associated with others patologies. I thought you were referring to psychiatric patologies. I think this man has a serious psychiatric patology, not a psychopaty... just misunderstood.
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Post by mikebook on Jul 13, 2005 10:12:30 GMT -5
So long as he CANNOT hurt anyone...
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Post by garotte on Jul 13, 2005 10:43:22 GMT -5
Hi Ela! This man has a non-hearted psychopathy along with a sadistic perverssion. Serial killers are rarely schizophrenic, the Sacramento vampire would be one of the few exceptions. Non-hearted psychopathy provokes the psychopath not feeling in himself the moral rules; he knows them, but hasn't moral obeyance to them like you or me. This is a mental state; it is unclear if they were born with it (Bundy clearly was; I may explain you detailed why if you want) or developed in the early stages of infance (in other cases, it is clear it happened for this too). Murderers with schizophrenia or paranoia think they have legitimate reasons to committ them, usually of defending themselves. Psychos who murder simply like to kill, and feel no moral compulssion for not murdering. You may drug Onoprienko, but even if unable to harm somebody, he would still enjoy killing while drugged. Non-hearted psychos are murderous in just a small percentage, of course. Certainty of punishment is one of the things which may deter some of them; a clear example is Andrew Cunanan; as long as he could receive death or LWOP as a punishment of his crimes, he didn't murder anybody; however, when he was declared ill of AIDS, he knew he hadn't anything to lose, so he went on committing his murderous rampage. Sincerely Garotte Note: Have I yet told you I'm studying to become a Forensic Psychiatrist?
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 13, 2005 10:44:36 GMT -5
Cool. Please don't end up like Erdmann.
hugggz, Suzanne
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Post by rain on Jul 13, 2005 10:59:00 GMT -5
Garotte... Thank you. Very interesting and knowledgable post!!!!
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Post by garotte on Jul 13, 2005 13:07:15 GMT -5
Thanks, rain :-) Sorry, but I don't have in mind now who Erdmann was. Sincerely Garotte
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Post by rain on Jul 13, 2005 13:13:14 GMT -5
Garotte... You're quite welcome. I'm on the same boat as you with the Erdmann thing..... guess he was a topic before we arrived :-) sclcookie will have to update you on that one;-)
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Post by thebiganti on Jul 13, 2005 14:30:35 GMT -5
What i am talking about in fact, is a mix between hospital + prison. It is just for those inmates who need pshychiatric charges and can not cohabit with the rest of population. He needs to be in a psychiatrict hospital for sure, and probably for the rest of his life, to see what makes him tick. hugggz, Suzanne I agree with both of you; a psychiatric hospital for life and find out alot about how he works. Maybe when he is over 70 years old he will be healed and then allowed out under supervision!
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Post by mikebook on Jul 13, 2005 16:37:20 GMT -5
No. This guy should not ever be let out. EVER. He is far too dangerous to be let out at any time. I would also say he is far too dangerous to allow to live but the system where he lives does not allow the Death Penalty. I can hope that he never sees the outside except through bars...
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Post by garotte on Jul 13, 2005 18:07:11 GMT -5
No. This guy should not ever be let out. EVER. He is far too dangerous to be let out at any time. I would also say he is far too dangerous to allow to live but the system where he lives does not allow the Death Penalty. I can hope that he never sees the outside except through bars... Death Penalty is NOW abolished in Ukraine (so no further death sentences can be imposed), BUT... Onoprienko is under a sentence of death, one of the few left remaining in such a state. While it is unlikely to happen, the President could sign his death warrant at any time. Since DP in Ukraine stablished executions could be secret, it could go unnoticed for the Council of Europe. As I say, however, this is extremely unlikely if the political situation doesn't change in Ukraine (something not very difficult, by the way). Being under a death sentence, however, quarantees he's never going to be released again. Garotte
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