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Post by garp on Jul 4, 2005 19:25:18 GMT -5
Guess the guy shouldn't have become a criminal then his family could see him anytime they wanted. No reason to change the entire prison system to make it easier on a bunch of convicts to see their families. They could have done this if they weren't criminals. You see, they are in prison to be punished.
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 4, 2005 19:44:23 GMT -5
At this point, I want to know and understand...I mean, they are here, they will have something to say....( beside making not so kind comments about us). For the moment this "murderers only deserve to die" thing is all what they have been able to say about their point... I am open to know more. Dont put words in my mouth. Yes I think they should pay for what they did. For the CHOICE they made no matter the hows or whys of it, they took a life in cold blood. I have a very good reason for how I feel about the Dp, but even without that I would still think the Dp is needed. Yes I know they have family to but what about the family of the one that they killed? What about the one that they killed? Just because they are now dead and gone and do not have a voice to fight for themself does not mean that they should not see justice for there death. Some see LWOP as a just punishment not me for many reasons. And do NOT tell me all I want is revenge. Because that is just not true. I have never been mean or hateful to troys family and have talked to his wife many times before and after his execution, and infact I am thankful to her more then I could ever say. And I have never said that I hate troy. So for me it was NEVER about revenge, it was about justice and respect for my father and the life that was taken from him, and thats how I look at the DP. Many have said that, shawni. "murderers deserve to die." She didn't make that up and wasn't trying to pick an arguement with you.
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 4, 2005 19:47:13 GMT -5
No reason is good enough. Death IS completely different from anything else. I guess ela was looking for whatever reasonable argument you might have. (Unsucessfully so). I hardly think it's ela's job to come up with well founded and reasonable arguments to keep the death penalty. Absolutely not. Besides, that wasn't an argument. It was your subjective opinion. Habitual thinking. In other countries, there are countless murderers and rapists behind bars in prisons so secure that some of them don't even get to see the daylight. Why don't you just say what you mean right out? It's about revenge. That's all there is to it. I do understand the urge for revenge - believe me - but why make up arguments then? Let's discuss the real reason: It's about revenge! I've seen cases in which a person has been sentenced to death, spent years and years on death row - once they were released, no one ever looked for the real killer anymore. Why is that? If it's all about public safety? No. They should be in a maximum security prison. Judging by what you write here, I don't believe you when you say you would like to ship them off to Canada and let them loose. It sounds more like you won't be satisfied before they're killed. I might be wrong. If so - I apologize - but that is what your posting sounds like. Turid And if it was about REVENGE (I hate that word) then the family of the one killed would be the one that gets to take the life of the inmate, would that work better for you? There is a jury and a judge that will be the ones to give the inmate life or death. Its the law and justice and respect for the life that was stolen from an innocent person and not revenge. Being that my love was murdered, I have a right to say this. It is revenge when the only thing that will make a family or loved one feel better is killing of the murderer. I'm not speaking for all families/friends of murder victims of course, but those who don't feel better until the murderer is killed it's revenge with is a very hateful emotion. Not good for anyone. hugggz, Suzanne
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 4, 2005 19:50:03 GMT -5
Ok. What you're saying here, is that those of us who don't live in the US shouldn't be part of the discussion? Turid I'm thankful other countries are in this to join this fight against the death penalty. It makes our fight stronger. It's world wide and not only in the USA. It's about human life....not just USA human life. Thanks Turid for helping us. hugggz, Suzanne
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Post by mikebook on Jul 4, 2005 20:00:09 GMT -5
I have been giving this case a great deal of thought. The case is the State of FLorida v. Joshua Phillips. From what I have been able to find, Phillips was charged and convicted of first degree murder, sentenced to Life without Parole, which means that he will more than likely die in prison. I have read the appeal that he has on the web. It mentions that the Florida Legislature is the body to go before and to change laws. Phillips' sentence was upheld by the Court, so there is little hope of a change in his sentence. His mother posts to this board on occaison. Now, the reason that I mention this case is that here is a person that killed a child. He is in prison, but I do not think the sentence he received was fair. I would not mind if he eventually received parole but it would have to be in the far future. But what sort of a life would he have...
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 4, 2005 20:20:11 GMT -5
if you feel offended if I don't like your president, it's your problem, I am not offending you... If you offend my presidnet I really don0t care..... I don't care for the President either....I disagree with many of his decisions...... Don't care for Governer Perry either....not just about DP things, but things that have to do with taking care of elderly....being that I'm a geriatric nurse, I guess I'm prejudice to that subject as well.
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 4, 2005 20:22:34 GMT -5
Why do you care? You apparently have no grasp on the opinions of Americans. The majority support executing murderers. I have no opinion on your country, what could I have one on? Pasta? Sauce? Italy has no effect on world events. I know of an Italian woman who's husband was recently executed here in Texas.....gives her, her family and friends a right to care, don't you think? hugggz, Suzanne
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Post by mikebook on Jul 4, 2005 20:24:43 GMT -5
I would like it if people would consider raising teacher's pay and benefits, as well as spending for libraries and the arts...
In Texas, you can cut the school budget to the bone but GOD help you if you shrink the budget for football...
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 4, 2005 20:27:20 GMT -5
He, calling all US citizens, Pros and Antis......please read the Patriot Act and see what our wanderful government is trying to do with this country! Please just take a short break of debating the death penalty for a moment and read the act! Please, I'm begging you. And after you read it, please spread the word around about it...... There's a little information about it. Thousands of people across America will be calling Congress this week to speak out against the expansion of the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act imposes restrictions on freedom that no democracy should ever tolerate. We need you to speak out as a concerned citizen to stop the government from stripping away your rights. Even if you've taken action on the Patriot Act before, your call this week will make a difference. Please call your Members of Congress today and oppose the Patriot Act's expansion. You can look up your Representative's and Senators' direct numbers by clicking here or you can call the Capitol Switchboard at (202) 224-3121. Some possible talking points: People across the country have made clear their opposition to the Patriot Act. Hundreds of communities -- and seven states -- have passed resolutions against the Patriot Act and held town hall meetings to discuss its impact on their residents and our Constitution. Congress has a duty to listen to its constituents. There are significant flaws in the Patriot Act, flaws that threaten your fundamental freedoms by giving the government the power to access to your medical records, tax records, information about the books you buy or borrow, all without probable cause. It also gives the government the power to obtain a special “sneak and peek” search warrant to break into your home and conduct secret searches without telling you for weeks, months or indefinitely. The Patriot Act needs to be reformed, not expanded. Some of the extreme provisions in the Patriot Act are attacks on fundamental American values. The Constitution and its Bill of Rights emphasize the need for checks and balances on government agents and limits to their power. The Patriot Act rolled back key judicial oversight and gave law enforcement significant new powers that go beyond the war on terrorism. Visit action.aclu.org/patriotactcalls and tell us how your calls went. Why call Congress today? We're launching a nation-wide effort to ensure Congress hears the widespread opposition to the Patriot Act. Civil libertarians, conservatives, free speech advocates and others from across the political spectrum are urging Congress to reform the Patriot Act, not expand it. Add your voice to this chorus of people calling for proper checks and balances on government power. In the coming weeks, we have the opportunity to prevent the expansion of government secret surveillance. Together we're working to ensure that some of the most infamous provisions of the Patriot Act -- including one that expands secret surveillance -- expire at the end of this year or are reformed. Last week thousands of people wrote to their members of Congress. Please help ensure that your members of Congress do not support expansion of the Patriot Act. Call them today and defend your rights: You can look up your Representative's and Senators' direct numbers by clicking here or you can call the Capitol Switchboard at (202) 224-3121.
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Post by mikebook on Jul 4, 2005 20:30:05 GMT -5
GOD help anyone who tries to find out what our patrons read or check out at my library. If you think I am hardcore about the death penalty, well that just scratches the paint on the fury that I would unleash upon the earth... Believe it...
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 4, 2005 20:37:12 GMT -5
It also gives the government the power to obtain a special “sneak and peek” search warrant to break into your home and conduct secret searches without telling you for weeks, months or indefinitely.
This really pisses me off.....what the hell are our guys in Iraq for? If they aren't fighting to continue our freedom, I want 'em back home! That patriot act is bullsh*t!
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Post by lostlove84 on Jul 4, 2005 20:37:36 GMT -5
Why do you care? You apparently have no grasp on the opinions of Americans. The majority support executing murderers. I have no opinion on your country, what could I have one on? Pasta? Sauce? Italy has no effect on world events. I know of an Italian woman who's husband was recently executed here in Texas.....gives her, her family and friends a right to care, don't you think? hugggz, Suzanne Like I said before cookie, if you kill here you should be punished by the laws here.
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 4, 2005 20:39:57 GMT -5
I respect your beliefs shawni.
Have you read the patriot act? we'll be loosing some of our freedoms. If they can do that, we may be loosing even our freedom of speech in the future.
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Post by mikebook on Jul 4, 2005 20:40:04 GMT -5
Terrorists are not likely to go to libraries to find out how to build bombs...They already know how... Just like criminals are not going to buy guns at gunshows. They are morelikely to steal them or buy them from a person in a bar...
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 4, 2005 20:42:52 GMT -5
exactly....this is very scary...
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