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Post by gill on Jun 26, 2005 6:49:51 GMT -5
Good question Deb.
The point of my last post did have moral grounding. I didn't make that decision because I'm an Anti. But consider this . . .
If it were possible to bring back murder victims, that would be fantastic; it sounds a wonderful phenomenon. BUT, is it fair on the mother whose child was killed due to a reckless joyrider? Or the man whose wife was killed due to a drunk driver? The joyrider and drunk driver would be convicted of manslaughter, not murder, so you couldn't kill them to bring their loved ones back . . . if we all embraced your theory that only murder victims may be returned to us . . .
Where's the morality in that? Would we all start wishing our loved ones were intentionally murdered rather than be killed any other way so that we could have them back again?
No. I don't believe God has decided that it's their time to go. This is why I believe the death penalty doesn't comply with God's plan for life and death, and why I believe it to be morally corrupt, as morally corrupt as murder is. But God would have saved them if their deaths didn't bring about moral significance. But execution, murder, etc are man made. and they exist as a test for human morality. I believe those who support them and carry out execution and murder have been misled, and will be punished when it's their time to go. But I believe people only die when it's their time. I'm only human; I don't have all the answers. But I believe in a God who has a plan and who stands back and allows humans to take their own paths in life, waiting until death to intervene. The whole message of Jesus was to show people how to live. The irony that an innocent man (Jesus) was executed setting free a convicted murderer is something we should learn from. If Jesus supported execution, he certainly wouldn't have forgiven and befriended murderers, lepers, prostitutes etc, those who society abhorred. Jesus condemns murder and execution, but he allows it to happen in order to judge us.
I'm no expert on religion. And I could be wrong. But I don't think I am. Hope this makes some sense . . .
Regards, Gill
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Post by injector on Jun 26, 2005 17:09:04 GMT -5
In addition, if God wanted to save the victim, he would have done, just like if he wanted to save a person from disease he would have done. Did you ever think that if God wanted to save the executee, he would have done so  |
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Post by jj on Jun 26, 2005 17:48:34 GMT -5
In addition, if God wanted to save the victim, he would have done, just like if he wanted to save a person from disease he would have done. Did you ever think that if God wanted to save the executee, he would have done so Julius and I ask that question a lot. We have know some to come to Christ because of an execution. It's not up to us to question God's decisions. That is why we have put Julius' fate in God's hands. We tell God we will abide by His decision.......... yet at the same time, I let God know He is going to have to help me through it if He decides to take my husband home for it's not going to be something I am going to easily handle. |
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Post by injector on Jun 26, 2005 18:11:04 GMT -5
Did you ever think that if God wanted to save the executee, he would have done so Julius and I ask that question a lot. We have know some to come to Christ because of an execution. It's not up to us to question God's decisions. That is why we have put Julius' fate in God's hands. We tell God we will abide by His decision.......... yet at the same time, I let God know He is going to have to help me through it if He decides to take my husband home for it's not going to be something I am going to easily handle. Just curious since I am not religious: How do you think God would stop your husband's execution? Do you think that he would make the injection machine break-down or something? Do you think he would help him escape by making all the guards fall asleep and then opening his cell? I am not trying to be sarcastic at all, I am just curious about your thoughts regarding divine intervention in your husband's case. |
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Post by jj on Jun 26, 2005 19:24:59 GMT -5
Julius and I ask that question a lot. We have know some to come to Christ because of an execution. It's not up to us to question God's decisions. That is why we have put Julius' fate in God's hands. We tell God we will abide by His decision.......... yet at the same time, I let God know He is going to have to help me through it if He decides to take my husband home for it's not going to be something I am going to easily handle. Just curious since I am not religious: How do you think God would stop your husband's execution? Do you think that he would make the injection machine break-down or something? Do you think he would help him escape by making all the guards fall asleep and then opening his cell? I am not trying to be sarcastic at all, I am just curious about your thoughts regarding divine intervention in your husband's case. No, if it is God's wish that Julius not be executed, then some where in his appeals process his conviction will be over turned. When my husband was at an evidentiary hearing last summer back in the town he was convicted in, he spent some time talking to other guys that were in the same jail cell he was being held in. He talked to them about God and his love. Well, a few months ago, he heard that one of the guys that he had talked to came to ask the Lord into his life later. God is using Julius and if God wants him to spend years in prison to work for Him, then it will happen. We know that he has to spend time in prison if his sentence were to be overturned. We arn't naive about that. It's however God wants to use Julius. I'm not saying it's easy to accept this either. There are things that happen in this world that I just don't understand and God has asked me to do some things that are very hard to do. But He has blessed me greatly when I do His will. It's a hard concept to explain. It's something that you work through on a daily basis. Does God exist? Yeah He does, I have proof of things in my own life. But each individual will have to take that stand and make their own choices and seek Him to find out on their own. That's why I say I can't just talk the talk. I have to walk the walk. It's easy to say your a Christian, but it's different to actually go out and put your faith on the line for all to see. |
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Post by injector on Jun 26, 2005 19:28:25 GMT -5
Just curious since I am not religious: How do you think God would stop your husband's execution? Do you think that he would make the injection machine break-down or something? Do you think he would help him escape by making all the guards fall asleep and then opening his cell? I am not trying to be sarcastic at all, I am just curious about your thoughts regarding divine intervention in your husband's case. No, if it is God's wish that Julius not be executed, then some where in his appeals process his conviction will be over turned. When my husband was at an evidentiary hearing last summer back in the town he was convicted in, he spent some time talking to other guys that were in the same jail cell he was being held in. He talked to them about God and his love. Well, a few months ago, he heard that one of the guys that he had talked to came to ask the Lord into his life later. God is using Julius and if God wants him to spend years in prison to work for Him, then it will happen. We know that he has to spend time in prison if his sentence were to be overturned. We arn't naive about that. It's however God wants to use Julius. I'm not saying it's easy to accept this either. There are things that happen in this world that I just don't understand and God has asked me to do some things that are very hard to do. But He has blessed me greatly when I do His will. It's a hard concept to explain. It's something that you work through on a daily basis. Does God exist? Yeah He does, I have proof of things in my own life. But each individual will have to take that stand and make their own choices and seek Him to find out on their own. That's why I say I can't just talk the talk. I have to walk the walk. It's easy to say your a Christian, but it's different to actually go out and put your faith on the line for all to see. If you don't mind answering, how long do you think he has to live? |
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jun 26, 2005 19:38:28 GMT -5
No, if it is God's wish that Julius not be executed, then some where in his appeals process his conviction will be over turned. When my husband was at an evidentiary hearing last summer back in the town he was convicted in, he spent some time talking to other guys that were in the same jail cell he was being held in. He talked to them about God and his love. Well, a few months ago, he heard that one of the guys that he had talked to came to ask the Lord into his life later. God is using Julius and if God wants him to spend years in prison to work for Him, then it will happen. We know that he has to spend time in prison if his sentence were to be overturned. We arn't naive about that. It's however God wants to use Julius. I'm not saying it's easy to accept this either. There are things that happen in this world that I just don't understand and God has asked me to do some things that are very hard to do. But He has blessed me greatly when I do His will. It's a hard concept to explain. It's something that you work through on a daily basis. Does God exist? Yeah He does, I have proof of things in my own life. But each individual will have to take that stand and make their own choices and seek Him to find out on their own. That's why I say I can't just talk the talk. I have to walk the walk. It's easy to say your a Christian, but it's different to actually go out and put your faith on the line for all to see. If you don't mind answering, how long do you think he has to live? uuuuuh trying to provoke or hit Injector or having a lil fun about this couples beliefs and faith? ??......he will live until the day he dies (thinking about HOW he might die ?).....c´mon tell me your hope and thoughts about it..i love to analyze... ;D Mo-DAWG |
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Post by injector on Jun 26, 2005 19:54:13 GMT -5
If you don't mind answering, how long do you think he has to live? uuuuuh trying to provoke or hit Injector or having a lil fun about this couples beliefs and faith? ??......he will live until the day he dies (thinking about HOW he might die ?).....c´mon tell me your hope and thoughts about it..i love to analyze... ;D Mo-DAWG 1) I do not believe in God. 2) I am not making fun of anyone 3) I was curious how far along his case is. 4) I will not gloat about the execution of Joy's husband. For what it is worth, I will feel very bad for her. She comes across to me as more than an internet personality, and although I think justice should be done, I have never been one to bask in the pain of an executee's loved-ones. That is not my style. |
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Post by jojo29 on Jun 26, 2005 19:59:04 GMT -5
uuuuuh trying to provoke or hit Injector or having a lil fun about this couples beliefs and faith? ??......he will live until the day he dies (thinking about HOW he might die ?).....c´mon tell me your hope and thoughts about it..i love to analyze... ;D Mo-DAWG 1) I do not believe in God. 2) I am not making fun of anyone 3) I was curious how far along his case is. 4) I will not gloat about the execution of Joy's husband. For what it is worth, I will feel very bad for her. She comes across to me as more than an internet personality, and although I think justice should be done, I have never been one to bask in the pain of an executee's loved-ones. That is not my style. I really believe that you didn't mean to upset anyone, but I have said it before and I will say it again, it is not what you say but how you say it. You could have asked how far along in his appeals he was and still got you answer. |
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jun 26, 2005 20:03:39 GMT -5
uuuuuh trying to provoke or hit Injector or having a lil fun about this couples beliefs and faith? ??......he will live until the day he dies (thinking about HOW he might die ?).....c´mon tell me your hope and thoughts about it..i love to analyze... ;D Mo-DAWG 1) I do not believe in God. 2) I am not making fun of anyone 3) I was curious how far along his case is. 4) I will not gloat about the execution of Joy's husband. For what it is worth, I will feel very bad for her. She comes across to me as more than an internet personality, and although I think justice should be done, I have never been one to bask in the pain of an executee's loved-ones. That is not my style. good you dont believe in god, then why u ask what Joys thinks about how long her husband might live on then? Joy isnt god either...how will she know? ...might there be a lil pro-gloat in you you dont even know of yourself? ? Mo-DAWG |
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Post by injector on Jun 26, 2005 20:08:21 GMT -5
1) I do not believe in God. 2) I am not making fun of anyone 3) I was curious how far along his case is. 4) I will not gloat about the execution of Joy's husband. For what it is worth, I will feel very bad for her. She comes across to me as more than an internet personality, and although I think justice should be done, I have never been one to bask in the pain of an executee's loved-ones. That is not my style. good you dont believe in god, then why u ask what Joys thinks about how long her husband might live on then? Joy isnt god either...how will she know? ...might there be a lil pro-gloat in you you dont even know of yourself? ? Mo-DAWG No. there is no pro gloat with my question. it was an honest one. Of course Joy does not know the date her husband will die, but surely she has some thoughts as to an approximation. I can't tell you when my girlfriend's 90-year old grandma is gonna die, but I now it is coming soon. Same thing. |
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 26, 2005 20:08:30 GMT -5
I'm sure Joy will let us know if she was offended.
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Post by jj on Jun 26, 2005 20:08:48 GMT -5
No, if it is God's wish that Julius not be executed, then some where in his appeals process his conviction will be over turned. When my husband was at an evidentiary hearing last summer back in the town he was convicted in, he spent some time talking to other guys that were in the same jail cell he was being held in. He talked to them about God and his love. Well, a few months ago, he heard that one of the guys that he had talked to came to ask the Lord into his life later. God is using Julius and if God wants him to spend years in prison to work for Him, then it will happen. We know that he has to spend time in prison if his sentence were to be overturned. We arn't naive about that. It's however God wants to use Julius. I'm not saying it's easy to accept this either. There are things that happen in this world that I just don't understand and God has asked me to do some things that are very hard to do. But He has blessed me greatly when I do His will. It's a hard concept to explain. It's something that you work through on a daily basis. Does God exist? Yeah He does, I have proof of things in my own life. But each individual will have to take that stand and make their own choices and seek Him to find out on their own. That's why I say I can't just talk the talk. I have to walk the walk. It's easy to say your a Christian, but it's different to actually go out and put your faith on the line for all to see. If you don't mind answering, how long do you think he has to live? His case is in the 5th circuit. We are waiting for an answer which could be.......... who knows how long the 5th circuit takes. I've seen answers come back in a few months, and I've seen them take a year. It's been 5 months since all appeals were turned in (both from Julius and the state) If they turn him down, he is elligible for a date and could have a date by the end of the year. However, he has a good issue going. If this doesn't work, then there is one more that is being worked up by another lawyer... but that is being kept quiet until we hear from the 5th circuit. Then, who knows. He could die tomorrow from a heart attack. I could die tomorrow from a heart attack. We don't know how long we have on this earth. |
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Post by injector on Jun 26, 2005 20:14:35 GMT -5
1) I do not believe in God. 2) I am not making fun of anyone 3) I was curious how far along his case is. 4) I will not gloat about the execution of Joy's husband. For what it is worth, I will feel very bad for her. She comes across to me as more than an internet personality, and although I think justice should be done, I have never been one to bask in the pain of an executee's loved-ones. That is not my style. You could have asked how far along in his appeals he was and still got you answer. No, I could not have gotten the same answer because I do not know how many appeals he has, nor do I know how fast the appeals process goes. If I do not know how fast the appeals process goes, it is of little use for me to know how far along he is in that process. I also assume some appeals take longer than others. Joy comes here and shares her story on a public board. I was trying to get to know her and her situation better. I asked the question as simply as I could. |
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Post by jj on Jun 26, 2005 20:22:19 GMT -5
uuuuuh trying to provoke or hit Injector or having a lil fun about this couples beliefs and faith? ??......he will live until the day he dies (thinking about HOW he might die ?).....c´mon tell me your hope and thoughts about it..i love to analyze... ;D Mo-DAWG 1) I do not believe in God. 2) I am not making fun of anyone 3) I was curious how far along his case is. 4) I will not gloat about the execution of Joy's husband. For what it is worth, I will feel very bad for her. She comes across to me as more than an internet personality, and although I think justice should be done, I have never been one to bask in the pain of an executee's loved-ones. That is not my style. Well then, maybe Julius and I need to introduce you to a wonderful God......  |
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