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Post by peter on May 14, 2007 11:36:41 GMT -5
Would just like to introduce myself. I am a 'pro dp' in principal but an 'anti dp' in practice, therefore if I'm not welcome on your site just let me know and I'll go get lost... By trade I am a long distance bus driver (which is kinda unusual) and I operate in Northern England basically transporting people from the Cities of York and Leeds to the East Coast seaside resorts of Scarborough, Whitby, Briddlington and Filey. It's a great job and I enjoy it immensely. I have had a lifelong interest in Crime and Punishment/Retribution and have much material on same. Ye, there have been people executed in this Country that, I feel, were not deserving of it. In particular: Ruth Ellis, Derek Bentley & Timothy Evans. However, that's another story! If I'm allowed to stay on this site I promise to be constructive and objective in my posts and reply to others as I am a firm advocate of respecting all views and sides to an argument. Regards, Peter M.
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Post by pumpkinpie on May 14, 2007 13:01:41 GMT -5
Would just like to introduce myself. I am a 'pro dp' in principal but an 'anti dp' in practice, therefore if I'm not welcome on your site just let me know and I'll go get lost... By trade I am a long distance bus driver (which is kinda unusual) and I operate in Northern England basically transporting people from the Cities of York and Leeds to the East Coast seaside resorts of Scarborough, Whitby, Briddlington and Filey. It's a great job and I enjoy it immensely. I have had a lifelong interest in Crime and Punishment/Retribution and have much material on same. Ye, there have been people executed in this Country that, I feel, were not deserving of it. In particular: Ruth Ellis, Derek Bentley & Timothy Evans. However, that's another story! If I'm allowed to stay on this site I promise to be constructive and objective in my posts and reply to others as I am a firm advocate of respecting all views and sides to an argument. Regards, Peter M. Hi Peter, welcome. Just out of curiosity, what does it mean to be an anti-in practice?
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Post by peter on May 14, 2007 17:13:32 GMT -5
Anti in practice means that I have no faith in the system administering the death penalty. I believe that as with so much else in life the whole process is about money. Lawyers get richer and richer by delaying and delaying. Further more I suggest that until such time as any country has a fool proof safe system of justice they should not practice the ultimate penalty.
In The U.K. we had just about as perfect system of Capital Punishment that could be possible yet it was abolished in the mid 1960's. The reasons for abolishion were never completely revealed.
I believe that no person, no matter what their crime, should be made to wait for such an outrageous length of time on the row that they are in the U.S. I believe that that wait alone is 'Cruel & Unusual'.
Peter M.
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Post by happyhaddock on May 14, 2007 18:55:57 GMT -5
Anti in practice means that I have no faith in the system administering the death penalty. I believe that as with so much else in life the whole process is about money. Lawyers get richer and richer by delaying and delaying. Further more I suggest that until such time as any country has a fool proof safe system of justice they should not practice the ultimate penalty. In The U.K. we had just about as perfect system of Capital Punishment that could be possible yet it was abolished in the mid 1960's. The reasons for abolishion were never completely revealed. I believe that no person, no matter what their crime, should be made to wait for such an outrageous length of time on the row that they are in the U.S. I believe that that wait alone is 'Cruel & Unusual'. Peter M. IIRC once they determined they had hung an innocent man the UK lost their taste for the DP. In Canada, they came close to hanging a 14 year old boy who most now believe was innocent all along. New Zealand tried one man three times (no DP then) and convicted him each time -- and it finally turned out that a cop had planted evidence so I doubt they'll ever go back to the DP either.
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Post by peter on May 14, 2007 20:35:04 GMT -5
Ye, point taken. Do you think Cathy Hendersen is deserving of the dp?
Peter M.
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Post by pumpkinpie on May 14, 2007 21:36:48 GMT -5
Ye, point taken. Do you think Cathy Hendersen is deserving of the dp? Peter M. She's deserving of life without a possibilty of parole for sure! Is there an execution date set for her? I don't know too much about that case other than that she killed a newborn baby she was babysitting, then took off and claimed it was accidental. Yuck!
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Post by happyhaddock on May 14, 2007 21:44:07 GMT -5
Ye, point taken. Do you think Cathy Hendersen is deserving of the dp? Peter M. Cathy Lynn Henderson? She must have had an unbelievably crappy lawyer if she couldn't trade the location of the body for LWOP. Why does she get it and serial killers don't? What about Gary Ridgway? What about Coral Eugene Watts? They almost released him to kill again and that was TX. Why does she get the DP for one killing?
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Post by peter on May 17, 2007 14:15:34 GMT -5
Ye, point taken. Do you think Cathy Hendersen is deserving of the dp? Peter M. She's deserving of life without a possibilty of parole for sure! Is there an execution date set for her? I don't know too much about that case other than that she killed a newborn baby she was babysitting, then took off and claimed it was accidental. Yuck! Ye, there is an execution date set in June. Many things have transpired with this case over the last 10/12 years Cathy has been on the row. One significant fact is that she was intoxicated on the morning that she accepted responsibility for Brandon. I am firmly on the side of The Baugh family on this one. Peter M.
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Post by happyhaddock on May 17, 2007 18:13:41 GMT -5
Ye, there is an execution date set in June. Many things have transpired with this case over the last 10/12 years Cathy has been on the row. One significant fact is that she was intoxicated on the morning that she accepted responsibility for Brandon. I am firmly on the side of The Baugh family on this one. Peter M. If one or both parents had killed the child they might have gotten a year or two - not unusual in such cases.
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Post by peter on May 17, 2007 20:01:10 GMT -5
.... A sad reflection on the justice system then...
Peter M.
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Post by jaguar on May 19, 2007 22:54:57 GMT -5
Ye, point taken. Do you think Cathy Hendersen is deserving of the dp? Peter M. Cathy Lynn Henderson? She must have had an unbelievably crappy lawyer if she couldn't trade the location of the body for LWOP. Why does she get it and serial killers don't? What about Gary Ridgway? What about Coral Eugene Watts? They almost released him to kill again and that was TX. Why does she get the DP for one killing? Texas politics. Lawyer was inexperienced. But the sheriff and DA wrongfully took the map from the lawyers office. Later the lawyer was awarded 100,000 dollars for her treatment from Travis County, Texas. An incredible case. The best info is on SaveCathyHenderson.org jaguar
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Post by jaguar on May 19, 2007 23:21:40 GMT -5
She's deserving of life without a possibilty of parole for sure! Is there an execution date set for her? I don't know too much about that case other than that she killed a newborn baby she was babysitting, then took off and claimed it was accidental. Yuck! Ye, there is an execution date set in June. Many things have transpired with this case over the last 10/12 years Cathy has been on the row. One significant fact is that she was intoxicated on the morning that she accepted responsibility for Brandon. I am firmly on the side of The Baugh family on this one. Peter M. BZZZT, No proof at all of intoxication. AN INTERNET RUMOUR There is extensive objective information on this case. SaveCathyHenderson.org has pages and pages, with links and links. This a a complex case. It could sway the opinions of any impartial people on the death penalty itself Jagaur
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Post by pumpkinpie on May 20, 2007 15:52:36 GMT -5
Ye, there is an execution date set in June. Many things have transpired with this case over the last 10/12 years Cathy has been on the row. One significant fact is that she was intoxicated on the morning that she accepted responsibility for Brandon. I am firmly on the side of The Baugh family on this one. Peter M. BZZZT, No proof at all of intoxication. AN INTERNET RUMOUR There is extensive objective information on this case. SaveCathyHenderson.org has pages and pages, with links and links. This a a complex case. It could sway the opinions of any impartial people on the death penalty itself Jagaur Intoxicated or not, there's no excuse or justification for killing the child she was trusted to babysit.
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Post by pumpkinpie on May 20, 2007 16:10:53 GMT -5
Ye, there is an execution date set in June. Many things have transpired with this case over the last 10/12 years Cathy has been on the row. One significant fact is that she was intoxicated on the morning that she accepted responsibility for Brandon. I am firmly on the side of The Baugh family on this one. Peter M. If one or both parents had killed the child they might have gotten a year or two - not unusual in such cases. Not unusual, but ridiculous. That's like saying parents are allowed to kill.
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Post by pumpkinpie on May 20, 2007 16:19:16 GMT -5
I read SaveCathyHenderson.org. I agree, let's save her. Let's not be as brutal as she was. The reality, she will probably be executed in the next couple weeks. I wish we could stop it from happening somehow. The reality, as I see it though, Cathy Henderson deserves about as much sympathy and justification for her actions as a child molester. The defense theory in this case even sounds stupid. You don't accidentally kill a newborn. Cathy needs to own up to her own actions before she dies. Do I think she should be executed, no. I think she should sit in that hole of a prison for the rest of her life and pray for the redemption of her own actions for killing that infant. Instead, it seems she's trying to run away from it. She tried running away from her actions the day she killed the child, and she's trying to run away from her actions now.
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