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Post by BentyProDP on May 10, 2005 17:14:53 GMT -5
Lets not forget that these men/women are trying to save their life. They do not wish to die. If I were in the same situation (which will most likely NEVER happen) I would be saying and doing anything possible to save my life. During the initial trial they fight to be aquitted, afterwards, they fight for their life. And just when do they take responsibility for committing the most heinous act one can commit agianst another human being? When do they tell the family of the victim they are sorry at the last minute to save themselves from a future in hell? No, if you commit a crime, stand up and take your punishment...
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Post by CCADP on May 10, 2005 17:15:30 GMT -5
ps its Chi-Town (not Shy town....) close though! Thats Richard Cartwright who writes the Uncensored from TX DR
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Post by CCADP on May 10, 2005 17:22:03 GMT -5
that would be valid if you believe that execution has to be the punishment for murder....it doesn't - and accepting the punishment would say that it was.
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Post by jj on May 10, 2005 18:10:19 GMT -5
Here are Lonnies own words, not mine... www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/pursleylonnielast.htmYes. I would like to address the victim's family. I received your poem and I ma very grateful for your forgiveness. I still want to ask for it anyway. I have Jesus in my heart and I am sorry for any pain I caused you all. Thank you for your forgiveness. I am sorry. Ashlee, Pam -- I am going to miss you all. I love you all. Give everybody my love. Give everybody my love, O.K.? Mother, James, Justin, Corey, Brent, grand-babies and Daddy - I love you Pam. I love you Ashlee, Pammy and Irene. I will see you all on the other side. Couple friends on death row who have helped me; Shy town and Crazy Jay...I love you all and for all your support. Uncle Ray too. I am saved and I am going home, O.K.? You all stay strong. You all stay strong. That is all Benty, no need to tell me what he said... I was there with Pam when he was exected. I did not wittness it, but waited with her when she went in, and was there when she came out and was there at the funeral home to say goodbye. Don't tell me something I already know. About his case..... you don't know but what you read.
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Post by jj on May 10, 2005 18:13:45 GMT -5
And just when do they take responsibility for committing the most heinous act one can commit agianst another human being? When do they tell the family of the victim they are sorry at the last minute to save themselves from a future in hell? No, if you commit a crime, stand up and take your punishment... They take responsibility when they are ready. Some starts right after the crime when they turn themselves in after they come down from their high and realize what happens. Some takes time and counseling to come to terms with what they did. some comes on the day of their execution. It's their decision for when they are ready to take responsibility and it's their decision when they let the world know for it will mean something when it's their decision. It's also their decision on who and how they say they are sorry to the victims family.... it doesn't matter what you think or when you think they should.
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Post by ex member on May 10, 2005 19:29:20 GMT -5
MOST likely never happen ? Uh oh - am I gonna have to make a Pameeee on Death Row webpage smile - oh; no.... Well, of course if it did happen you all know I would be innocent!
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Post by oztash on May 10, 2005 22:13:36 GMT -5
Benty..... The bible tells us to freely forgive, as our father in heaven frelly forgives us.. Tasha And just when do they take responsibility for committing the most heinous act one can commit agianst another human being? When do they tell the family of the victim they are sorry at the last minute to save themselves from a future in hell? No, if you commit a crime, stand up and take your punishment...
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Post by tulla63 on May 11, 2005 1:45:04 GMT -5
Lets not forget that these men/women are trying to save their life. They do not wish to die. If I were in the same situation (which will most likely NEVER happen) I would be saying and doing anything possible to save my life. During the initial trial they fight to be aquitted, afterwards, they fight for their life. True! The death penalty is so EXTREME, so you can hardly hold that against them. That said: When I read about death sentenced prisoners, I consider that to be false unless I've read through all the documents, affidavits, responses from the state, responses from the inmate, and everything I can get my hand on. So far, I've found 2 persons I consider as being totally innocent for the crimes they were sentenced. One in Virginia - executed in 1992 and another one in Texas - executed in 1997. I'm in the process of collecting everything I can find aside from what I've already found, and I'm also in the process of creating a webpage about these 2 cases. In both cases, another individiual has come forward and confessed. One did before the inmate was executed, antoher one afterwards. Aside from that I find it hard to believe that 12 jurors were wrong and I was right. Still - it happens. I NEVER take an inmate's word for it though! That does NOT mean that I am by any means critizising those who do!! As I said: I consider the DP to be so extreme that a confession is unlikely. Wouldn't anyone do anything to avoid being slaughtered? Although these persons are dead now, and nothing can be done to help, what I'm trying to do, is to create discussions on whether or not it is true that "no death sentenced person has been executed in the US." Love, Turid
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Post by oztash on May 11, 2005 4:42:35 GMT -5
Lets not forget that these men/women are trying to save their life. They do not wish to die. If I were in the same situation (which will most likely NEVER happen) I would be saying and doing anything possible to save my life. During the initial trial they fight to be aquitted, afterwards, they fight for their life. I agree... Its human nature to do what ever it takes to save our lives, I must admit that I would do what ever it took... Tasha
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Post by ex member on May 11, 2005 7:37:30 GMT -5
Here are Lonnies own words, not mine... www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/pursleylonnielast.htmYes. I would like to address the victim's family. I received your poem and I ma very grateful for your forgiveness. I still want to ask for it anyway. I have Jesus in my heart and I am sorry for any pain I caused you all. Thank you for your forgiveness. I am sorry. Ashlee, Pam -- I am going to miss you all. I love you all. Give everybody my love. Give everybody my love, O.K.? Mother, James, Justin, Corey, Brent, grand-babies and Daddy - I love you Pam. I love you Ashlee, Pammy and Irene. I will see you all on the other side. Couple friends on death row who have helped me; Shy town and Crazy Jay...I love you all and for all your support. Uncle Ray too. I am saved and I am going home, O.K.? You all stay strong. You all stay strong. That is all Benty, No where has Lonnie ever stated he was completely innocent. He did however say that many things went wrong with his trial and he did NOT receive a fair trial which is all he wanted. The end does not justify the means. It should be fair throughout the entire process. His case was a marginal death penalty case to begin with. He did not deserve to die. Justice was not served on May 3rd. And though I speak this being completely emotionally attached here, I also know it is FACT known by others who have been involved. The media does not represent ALL the facts and all you are going by is what is in print. Lonnies final statement shows that he is a man of integrity, he went to his death with dignity. I am so very proud of him.
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Post by jj on May 11, 2005 15:07:55 GMT -5
Well, of course if it did happen you all know I would be innocent! Hey.... can we share a site together? ??
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Post by justice on May 11, 2005 16:05:47 GMT -5
As 1 with pro tendeancys I would ttend to think Whako fits the 1's inside the prison not the town itself....just my opinion
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Post by CCADP on May 11, 2005 16:18:53 GMT -5
just a joke I've been saying that since way before getting involved in the Death Penalty issue - since I first heard of Waco in connection with the Koresh thing... in bad taste - but just a joke - and not a DP one ....
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Post by tulla63 on May 11, 2005 16:38:16 GMT -5
By whom? Are you referring to a death sentenced person's wife? If so, would you seriously hold it against her that she chose to believe her own husband?
Why do you think its so that husband and wife can't testify against against another during a trial in which one part of the couple is charged with something?
Correct. A whole lot! That has to do with at least two things:
1) Prison abuse is a huge problem. (there is no reason to discuss that. Videotapes are actually available from TDCJ if you're interested)
2) Prisoners are as different as you and I. Some consider anything and everything as abuse, and some don't consider any abuse being conducted unless someone is actually beaten up and gassed.
Correct. Every time we hear about prison abuse, a lot of fear is being triggered. We know by evidence that prison abuse runs rampant. In some cases, the claims are true. In other cases, it's not. However, when we hear the same stories from prisoners who live on different wings and have NO contact with each other whatsoever, that such and such officer did such and such to an inmate - totally independent of each other - we have reason to be suspicious.
When you say "the source", are you referring to the reason a guard may have to act out? If so - a prison guard should be trained to deal with the situations that may occur on extreme places such as death row prisons.
Turid
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Post by jj on May 11, 2005 16:43:29 GMT -5
Just food for thought: During the prison scandal in Saudi.... didn't anyone notice that the guards being charged were guards back here in the states? Where do you think they learned that stuff? Why is it the inmates that are writing about prison abuse here is VERY similar to what happened over there? Doesn't anyone see a connection or are the people of this country that blind?
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