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Post by lene on May 21, 2005 18:56:09 GMT -5
No - that is not what she is saying.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on May 21, 2005 18:57:37 GMT -5
Primative! Yeah, that's it. That describes the death penalty very well. And the idea that the Death Penalty will solve problems by getting the poor, uneducated, non-white people off our street rather than fixing the problem....very primative. yes thats excatly what it´s about SCLCOOKIE....rather kill people than fix the problem and hoping the problem fixes itself that way......it´s not only primitive it´s also(well i guess that would get censored ;D)... Mo-DAWG
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Post by CCADP on May 21, 2005 18:57:40 GMT -5
She cares about ALL those she considers victims. Thats why she called this thread the OTHER victims.
These victims family members come to her; and they are aware of her reputation and successes; and are thrilled to agree to her terms; which at least mean the killers of their family members will be brought to justice and sentenced. Thats much better than a system that refuses to even bring charges because; as Tina said; its not an election year; or they aren't sure they can win (its a game - not about the victims; to most prosecutors unfortunately). Tina helps these victims find justice and none of them are complaining about what she has done for them and their loved one.
Tina does not believe in killing. Anyone. Its consistent; and logical; and not that hard to understand. She can tell you much more about her work if you are interested in hearing about her work with victims. PM her or send her an email.
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Post by CCADP on May 21, 2005 18:59:39 GMT -5
Besides; how DARE anyone cast aspersions on Tina, her motives or how much she cares for victims?
How many victims have YOU helped ? I'm sure Tina can top it....
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Post by Mo-DAWG on May 21, 2005 19:01:47 GMT -5
Why do you only work as hard for the ones that have nothing to do with the death penalty? i guess it´s because Tina wouldn´t waste herself on supporting the DP-vengeance-madness...this woman has strong morals as you see... Mo-DAWG
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Post by Missyme on May 21, 2005 19:19:53 GMT -5
Besides; how DARE anyone cast aspersions on Tina, her motives or how much she cares for victims? How many victims have YOU helped ? I'm sure Tina can top it.... More than you will ever know. And as I said, I was just asking because the way I was reading the posts, she doesn't help the family of the victims unless there is no issue of the death penalty. Sometimes, depsite what the families opinion is, the death penalty is still sought. Should those family members be denied help just because the death penalty is an issue?
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Post by lene on May 21, 2005 19:22:36 GMT -5
When someone is against the death penalty, it would be unreasonable to ask them to help get someone sentenced to death. And also - one person can not help everyone.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on May 21, 2005 19:22:56 GMT -5
Besides; how DARE anyone cast aspersions on Tina, her motives or how much she cares for victims? How many victims have YOU helped ? I'm sure Tina can top it.... yes you are very right Tracy..they call for help and support for the victims like they had to use it to justify themselves foaming from the mouth while calling for vengeance..but how many victims did they help themselves? maybe one befriended family..maybe even two? Tina helped more than they could count and nevertheless some people still bla bla sh*t about her and the work she´s doing..i can tell all these people..."give at least 1% of the help and support she gave and still gives every day and you can at least consider talking about her and her work" Mo-DAWG
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Post by CCADP on May 21, 2005 19:25:05 GMT -5
tina works on cases where the prosecutor is not even seeking charges ; thus leaving the murderer completely unpunished until Tina steps in. On these cases all involved agree to Tina's terms.
Victims are getting no assistance in these cases until they call Tina in.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on May 21, 2005 19:28:39 GMT -5
More than you will ever know. And as I said, I was just asking because the way I was reading the posts, she doesn't help the family of the victims unless there is no issue of the death penalty. Sometimes, depsite what the families opinion is, the death penalty is still sought. Should those family members be denied help just because the death penalty is an issue? Well if these people look for someone helping them to get "justice" via DP they are free to ask somebody else to work for them..they are not denied help at all..they are free to find themselves other investigators who help them seeking the DP for their wishes of vengeance...thank god Tina does not waste her abilities for that and i´m proud of her cuz i know she never ever will ... Mo-DAWG
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Post by Missyme on May 21, 2005 19:30:40 GMT -5
yes you are very right Tracy..they call for help and support for the victims like they had to use it to justify themselves foaming from the mouth while calling for vengeance..but how many victims did they help themselves? maybe one befriended family..maybe even two? Tina helped more than they could count and nevertheless some people still bla bla sh*t about her and the work she´s doing..i can tell all these people..."give at least 1% of the help and support she gave and still gives every day and you can at least consider talking about her and her work" Mo-DAWG I assure you my intentions were not to offend. I do not even know this Tina person. I am sure she does wonderful work. Kudos to her. I was just asking why she (and others for that fact) do not help the victims family more. Some say they don't ask for it. Do ALL inmates that get help come out and ask for it? The killer of my friends parent never asked for any help, yet he has gotten more help from volunteers than her family even dreamed of getting.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on May 21, 2005 19:35:44 GMT -5
I assure you my intentions were not to offend. I do not even know this Tina person. I am sure she does wonderful work. Kudos to her. I was just asking why she (and others for that fact) do not help the victims family more. Some say they don't ask for it. Do ALL inmates that get help come out and ask for it? The killer of my friends parent never asked for any help, yet he has gotten more help from volunteers than her family even dreamed of getting. oh no offense taken at all.... what kind of help would you wish for the victims family? helping them to get the killer to execution or just helping them to get him busted? many of us "regular" antis would try to help the victims families too and would support them but since we´re working with the inmates many victims families see kinda "enemies " in us..well so i say u just can help those who accept help... Mo-DAWG
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Post by CCADP on May 21, 2005 19:38:23 GMT -5
ALL of us support the victims; all of society supports and feels for the victims - its easy to support and want to help victims of violent crime.
Those of us involved in this work feel compelled; for whatever reason; to also assist / try to save the lives of those who are condemned to die in all of our names; some of whom aren't sympathetic; aren't easy to support; and these family members of prisoners who have done no wrong also have to contend with the judgement and anger of society - victims have all of our sympathy - family members of prisoners mostly get anger and judgement - and are often never considered as part of the issue; and they are grievously affected by it as well. The have less sympathy from society; and few places to turn.
Here you find people trying to help those people.
OF COURSE our hearts go out to all victims. Many people here are MVS themselves; and others also have been seriously physically and sexually abused themselves (read some of the posts on different threads). So there are victims here as well - its not an either or proposition; Its not opposing teams. Its all about human beings in terrible situations through no fault of their own (prisoners families; not the prisoners)
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Post by Missyme on May 21, 2005 19:49:40 GMT -5
oh no offense taken at all.... what kind of help would you wish for the victims family? helping them to get the killer to execution or just helping them to get him busted? many of us "regular" antis would try to help the victims families too and would support them but since we´re working with the inmates many victims families see kinda "enemies " in us..well so i say u just can help those who accept help... Mo-DAWG Moral support for one. First and foremost, I AM NOT saying you or any member of this board is guilty of this. Again, NOT saying you or anyone here is guilty of this, but some have looked down upon her and her entire family as "murderers" themselves. They did not sentence this person to die. How would that make you feel if your loved one was killed and because the killer got the DP, you were looked down upon? Her grandmother was even spit on at the trial. Again, I am not saying anyone here would have done this, but what does that make antis look like in the eyes of the regular person. I know there are pros like this too...have seen them in action before. Now, how many times have you guys gone out of your way to contact the family? To let them know you do care and are there if they need someone? I know for a fact, my friend was interested at one time in meeting the killer, yet when she asked about it...one of his "friends" told her it would not be possible because no one wanted to upset him by having him meet her.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on May 21, 2005 20:02:26 GMT -5
Moral support for one. First and foremost, I AM NOT saying you or any member of this board is guilty of this. Again, NOT saying you or anyone here is guilty of this, but some have looked down upon her and her entire family as "murderers" themselves. They did not sentence this person to die. How would that make you feel if your loved one was killed and because the killer got the DP, you were looked down upon? Her grandmother was even spit on at the trial. Again, I am not saying anyone here would have done this, but what does that make antis look like in the eyes of the regular person. I know there are pros like this too...have seen them in action before. Now, how many times have you guys gone out of your way to contact the family? To let them know you do care and are there if they need someone? I know for a fact, my friend was interested at one time in meeting the killer, yet when she asked about it...one of his "friends" told her it would not be possible because no one wanted to upset him by having him meet her. i tell you what Missy..an "anti" who behaves like that is not one of us..and if i saw an anti behaving like that..spitting at your friends granny at the trial i would have beaten his dang ass up for so much disrespect..those idiots don´t belong to us and we don´t want those rabids to be with us or even being called "antis".. if a murder victims family would ask me for support i would give my support to them of course...ALL victims need support and ALL victims absolutely deserve it...they´re all welcome....i had the experience they don´t want US..its not the other way around but well..just MY personal experience.. Mo-DAWG
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