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Post by bourney92 on May 3, 2005 10:45:19 GMT -5
how come the site has pictures of allan lee davies pictures of the exucution and no other pictures think its snide to put one man on and not the rest.
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Post by CCADP on May 3, 2005 10:48:14 GMT -5
thats the only execution photos made available. Its because when they were fighting in the FL Supreme Court as to whether or not the electric chair was cruel and unusual punishment; one of the FL. judges who was arguing it was; made these photos of the execution that had just occured available on the web; to support his argument that the means of execution should be changed to lethal injection which it later was; for a short time those photos were on the Florida state supreme court website; thats where they were taken from. The only recent execution photos made publicly available.
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Post by bourney92 on May 3, 2005 10:49:44 GMT -5
did he know that he was gonna be on the web? thats the only execution photos made available. Its because when they were fighting in the FL Supreme Court as to whether or not the electric chair was cruel and unusual punishment; one of the FL. judges who was arguing it was; made these photos of the execution that had just occured available on the web; to support his argument that the means of execution should be changed to lethal injection which it later was; for a short time those photos were on the Florida state supreme court website; thats where they were taken from. The only recent execution photos made publicly available.
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Post by CCADP on May 3, 2005 11:07:26 GMT -5
No; I don't think so; and those pics prob would never have been made available except that people were arguing that there is nothing wrong or too painful about the electric chair. They were saying its fine and not too cruel. So the execution of davies went so badly that the opponents of the death penalty and electric chair used these pictures in order to prove the cruelty. And it worked, now no one else will ever be electrocuted in Florida. Though for people who think the death penalty is a human rights abuse; the manner of death is not the issue; but the long years on death row; and the torture of being sentenced to death and dehumanized. I'm sure Tiny never thought he'd be on the web this way; but I hope and think that in light of the fact that it stopped electrocutions for any further friends of his on death row; and that years later it makes people see some of the horror of the death penalty; I think Tiny (Alan) would be glad that he has done some good for this fight....
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Post by bourney92 on May 3, 2005 11:11:11 GMT -5
do the other people who get exucuted get the lethel injection? No; I don't think so; and those pics prob would never have been made available except that people were arguing that there is nothing wrong or too painful about the electric chair. They were saying its fine and not too cruel. So the execution of davies went so badly that the opponents of the death penalty and electric chair used these pictures in order to prove the cruelty. And it worked, now no one else will ever be electrocuted in Florida. Though for people who think the death penalty is a human rights abuse; the manner of death is not the issue; but the long years on death row; and the torture of being sentenced to death and dehumanized. I'm sure Tiny never thought he'd be on the web this way; but I hope and think that in light of the fact that it stopped electrocutions for any further friends of his on death row; and that years later it makes people see some of the horror of the death penalty; I think Tiny (Alan) would be glad that he has done some good for this fight....
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Post by CCADP on May 3, 2005 11:14:37 GMT -5
Ever since that execution; yes; the judges decided electric chair was cruel and now the only option in FL and most states is lethal injection. There are still a few states where they have both as options - the prisoner can still choose the electric chair if they wish ( a few have just to make the point of the cruelty and inhumaneness of the death penalty) but otherwise its automatically lethal injection.
if u do a seach on google news u will see the lethal injection process is now also under court scrutiny in Kentucky where Drs have testified that its not as easy as it looks...
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Post by bourney92 on May 3, 2005 11:23:01 GMT -5
do u know how long it takes to die after the injection? Ever since that execution; yes; the judges decided electric chair was cruel and now the only option in FL and most states is lethal injection. There are still a few states where they have both as options - the prisoner can still choose the electric chair if they wish ( a few have just to make the point of the cruelty and inhumaneness of the death penalty) but otherwise its automatically lethal injection. if u do a seach on google news u will see the lethal injection process is now also under court scrutiny in Kentucky where Drs have testified that its not as easy as it looks...
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Post by CCADP on May 3, 2005 11:29:44 GMT -5
It differs but they usually declare dead after 15 mins or so
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Post by Turid on May 4, 2005 6:54:14 GMT -5
Perhaps there are people out there who needs to see pictures of executed persons. There has also been a discussion for years revolving around things like broadcasting the exeuctions and send them on TV.
I'm not sure what I think about the idea.
I know for sure that I - personally - would do anything humanly possible to avoid seeing such a picture, film or any real time recording of an execution. I do not need to see it up close to be able to say that I am universially opposed to the death penalty.
On the other hand, apparently, there is a huge crowd of people out there who could need to know exactly what is being done in their name after being fed with the myths of "clinical, painless executions", etc.
After all, this is all being done in the name of the people, and there is no reason why "the people" shouldn't be well enough informed to be able to make an intelligent decision as to whether or not this is cruel and unusual punishment.
It's not an easy issue and I don't even know what I mean about the matter. In an ideal world, parents would supervise their children and make sure things of this nature was out of reach for small children.
But I don't think that is the way the world works in real life. Some really sick minds would also probably get a kick out of it.
It's a difficult matter. I remember the film maker Norman Mailer was trying to open for cameras inside the death chambers. Seen from the prisoner's point of view, it's revolting. Seen from a greater perspective, it might help people understand what it is they're really doing - but then again, there are many factors that come into play, and I doubt I will ever be able to come to a conclusion as to what I mean about the matter myself.
When a friend of mine sent me the pictures of Davis, she didn't warn me beforehand. Which resulted in me having to run to the bathroom and throw up.
Difficult question.
--Turid
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Post by truth1 on May 6, 2005 13:35:40 GMT -5
Think about this: "But before we go too far down the path of mourning the way in which Allen Lee Davis died, maybe, just for a few moments, it is worth reporting something that has not been commented upon much: what Davis did to get to Death Row in the first place.
On May 11, 1982, Davis -- an ex-convict -- entered the Jacksonville, Fla., home of the John Weiler family. Weiler, an executive with the Westinghouse Corp., was on a business trip in Pittsburgh.
In the Weiler home, Allen Lee Davis attacked Nancy Weiler, 37, who at the time was three months pregnant with the family's third child. Davis bludgeoned Mrs. Weiler -- who was the corresponding secretary of the PTA at her children's school -- so severely that she was barely recognizable when police found her body. Davis brutalized Mrs. Weiler with such force that the trigger guard on the gun with which he was beating her broke, as did the wooden grips and metal frame of its handle.
Davis tied up the Weiler's 10-year-old daughter, Kristy -- a 5th-grade student who hoped to become a nuclear engineer someday -- and shot her in the face, killing her.
The Weilers' other child -- 5-year-old Kathy -- tried to run from Davis. He shot her in the back, and then beat her, crushing her skull. There was quite a bit of blood in the Weiler home after Davis had killed the mother and her two children. Considerably more blood than inadvertently appeared on Davis' shirt during the execution." So, no, I really do not feel sorry for Davis at all.
When prisoners are wrongly sent to Death Row, there is justifiable outrage that the court system could condemn innocent people to death. This is as it should be. But there was no question about Allen Lee Davis. He murdered Mrs. Weiler and her two little girls. No one disputes that.
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Post by CCADP on May 6, 2005 13:42:15 GMT -5
No one disputes that; thats right.
But we were discussing the method of execution here; and society has decided that lethal injection is now acceptable and the electric chair not.
They used to boil people in oil; or draw and quarter them which meant rip them apart; pull out organs and burn them; etc....
would you advocate all of these things for murderers? Truly? I know over at prodeath a lot of the population will say yes, but lets get real.
Society has moved past that kind of reaction to crimes - even horrible crimes. Now we've moved past the electric chair - in fact most of the world has moved past killing its citizens who kill; period.
I hope the US will join us!
Anyway; again Truth; there are tons of nasty stories in the news section about the things some killers have done to get on death row.
We know about the crime.
Now we are moving on to the punishment.
Life in prison, no parole. Sounds good to me!
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Post by truth1 on May 6, 2005 13:48:43 GMT -5
Talk about getting real? This a-hole killed 3 people without mercy. He took a man's entire family away from him. He tied up a 10 year old girl and SHOT HER IN THE FACE! In my opinion, he deserved what he received. I do not have any compassion for scum like that.
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Post by jj on May 6, 2005 13:55:32 GMT -5
Talk about getting real? This a-hole killed 3 people without mercy. He took a man's entire family away from him. He tied up a 10 year old girl and SHOT HER IN THE FACE! In my opinion, he deserved what he received. I do not have any compassion for scum like that. No body is disputing what this man did. No body is disputing that it is beyond thought of the horrible crime it is. However, what is discussed is the method of execution. Our society is "supposed" to be better than the "worst of the worst" on death row and if you are going to have the death penalty, then it should be humane and not inhumane as this man had done to his victims. In the future, please refrain from using names as "scum" while discussing issues. You can refer him by his name or as an inmate.
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Post by CCADP on May 6, 2005 14:09:22 GMT -5
No one is saying you have to have compassion for him, thats fine. No one is saying you have to try to rise above the easy response of hatred and anger.
Whats the issue here?
No one is defending him; no one is saying he was a nice guy, no one is talking about penpals or writing him...
We are talking about method of the execution.
But you've changed it to whether or not there should BE execution.; just like the FOOD IN POLUNSKY thread.
Look; lets make it clear. For those of us against the idea of a government being empowered to kill those of its citizens that we don't want to deal with; no amount of nasty news stories is going to make us think these people should be killed back.
There must be some other arguments that have convinced you that the death penalty is necessary...? Just recycling news articles of gory crimes is not going to change anyone's mind; not here, anyway.
Truth1; just what is your interest in the DP? Whatever it is; you are welcome here (as long as you keep the 'scum' rants to the pro board - you can use 'murderer' or 'killer' here if it makes you feel better to pretend thats all a person is before you kill them; but 'scum' is over the line. You know this is a place for friends and families of prisoners and if a family member of Davies were to come here; they would deserve the same respect as anyone else. You've said elsewhere that you feel that they are victims too. (families of prisoners.) so if that was sincere; think before you post. There's places where they are happy to read stuff like that.
This isn't one of them.
This is a serious board where support is the initial reason behind it. Reasoned discussions appropriate for all viewers and impassioned debate is fine; but we are not going to start getting into name calling of any person - here on the board; in the news, on death row, etc. Your point can be made just as well - and much better! - without that.
thanks for keeping the discussion civil and reasoned.
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Post by truth1 on May 6, 2005 14:13:00 GMT -5
I did not think that the word "scum" would ruffle any feathers. I chose that word in particular because I decided the more accurate and colorful adjectives would have been deemed by some as inappropriate.
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