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Post by injector on Jun 4, 2005 18:54:25 GMT -5
It is a common perception among some pros that antis believe that there are an extraordinary amount of innocent people on DR. Judging by their webpages and pen pal requests, one gets the impression that they are all innocent or mentally retarded. I think the anti movement loses credibiity by exagerated claims of innocence, and I am wondering if i am operating under a misconception. Tell me, someone, what percentage of DR inmates do you think are innocent?
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jun 4, 2005 19:12:15 GMT -5
It is a common perception among some pros that antis believe that there are an extraordinary amount of innocent people on DR. Judging by their webpages and pen pal requests, one gets the impression that they are all innocent or mentally retarded. I think the anti movement loses credibiity by exagerated claims of innocence, and I am wondering if i am operating under a misconception. Tell me, someone, what percentage of DR inmates do you think are innocent? there are people on DR who are innocent but just didnt have good lawyers to prove it although their innocence is obvious...but to give a percentage of innocents on DR? wow...well u can´t name that in a percentage.....and i wont be guessing here and probably give totally wrong guesses as a result...i can just tell you i know about a few innocents on DR Mo-DAWG |
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Post by Missyme on Jun 4, 2005 19:13:45 GMT -5
Where I can agree there are SOME innocents on DR (the guilty far outweigh the innocent), I think the mental problem excuse of overly claimed also. I can agree also that most anyone in the situation they are in would try to use anything possible to get "off" but I also totally agree that they are the ones that got themselves in that situation..not gun manufacturers or crack cocaine or abuse by their mother. Its their fault and I personally get tired of hearing just about all of them say they are innocent or mentally impared. (Aren't we all mentally impared in some ways?)
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Post by Missyme on Jun 4, 2005 19:16:15 GMT -5
there are people on DR who are innocent but just didnt have good lawyers to prove it although their innocence is obvious...but to give a percentage of innocents on DR? wow...well u can´t name that in a percentage.....and i wont be guessing here and probably give totally wrong guesses as a result...i can just tell you i know about a few innocents on DR Mo-DAWG The part on the attorney problem may be true in some cases BUT it isn't in many. For example...FREAK. His state appointed attorney flew to San Antonio Texas, Jacksonville, Florida, and Huntsville, Alabama in search of my little brother. He basically stalked me for about a week until I threatend to have the guys I work with thrown his over paid rear in jail. Again, it may not be the case in all but there are alot of state appointed attorneys that go beyond the call of duty. |
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Post by jojo29 on Jun 4, 2005 22:58:58 GMT -5
An actual %? I don't really know. But I do know that there are innocent people on death row. I also know that innocent people have been put to death. I believe the MAJOR point that a lot of the pro's miss is the fact that what we believe is that even if someone is guilty we still don't think they should be put to death. On the same hand we don't believe that they should be free. We believe in giving LWOP as another choice. I am not speaking for this board when I say we I mean most anti's.
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 5, 2005 2:36:54 GMT -5
An actual %? I don't really know. But I do know that there are innocent people on death row. I also know that innocent people have been put to death. I believe the MAJOR point that a lot of the pro's miss is the fact that what we believe is that even if someone is guilty we still don't think they should be put to death. On the same hand we don't believe that they should be free. We believe in giving LWOP as another choice. I am not speaking for this board when I say we I mean most anti's. 8%-12% innocent in prison according to the United States Department of Justice. I'm sure some of those people are on death row. I seriously doubt we're perfect in the one area, but not in the rest. I'll look for the exact link for you........ huggggz, Suzanne |
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 5, 2005 2:45:33 GMT -5
8% of 441 inmates is 35.28 inmates? That is high! I wonder how many of those are uneducated or lack any kind of support, legal or any other kind, to keep them from getting executed?
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jun 5, 2005 4:38:22 GMT -5
The part on the attorney problem may be true in some cases BUT it isn't in many. For example...FREAK. His state appointed attorney flew to San Antonio Texas, Jacksonville, Florida, and Huntsville, Alabama in search of my little brother. He basically stalked me for about a week until I threatend to have the guys I work with thrown his over paid rear in jail. Again, it may not be the case in all but there are alot of state appointed attorneys that go beyond the call of duty. oh i can tell you the (state-appointed-)attorney problem can be a real big one, we constantly have to struggle with that by the way and have to get inmates better attorneys.....but maaaan this attorney Freak had seemed to be a real pain in the a**..i mean yes some of them really try to do real good work for their inmate ( a minority of them ) but that guy seems to be way too much...he had no right to stalk and bother you that way...that´s REALLY over the top....from my experience i can tell you we´ve never had any s.a.l nor one we got for an imate who was like that... Mo-DAWG |
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Post by Missyme on Jun 5, 2005 4:40:58 GMT -5
8% of 441 inmates is 35.28 inmates? That is high! I wonder how many of those are uneducated or lack any kind of support, legal or any other kind, to keep them from getting executed? What does uneducated have to do with anything? |
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jun 5, 2005 4:43:23 GMT -5
What does uneducated have to do with anything? it´s more like being uneducated about the rights and possibilities they have..thanks to some s.a.l again.... Mo-DAWG |
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Post by Missyme on Jun 5, 2005 4:54:12 GMT -5
it´s more like being uneducated about the rights and possibilities they have..thanks to some s.a.l again.... Mo-DAWG oh...ok |
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Post by lene on Jun 5, 2005 8:03:51 GMT -5
I think it is important to KNOW the case before claming innocence. I agree that it is damaging if people speak about cases they know little to nothing about. There is NO WAY I would just take an inmates word for it.
I don't want to guess how many % are innocent on death row. I don't know.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jun 5, 2005 8:08:08 GMT -5
I think it is important to KNOW the case before claming innocence. I agree that it is damaging if people speak about cases they know little to nothing about. There is NO WAY I would just take an inmates word for it. I don't want to guess how many % are innocent on death row. I don't know. Yes very right Lene...and i can tell you it takes lots of work to do research on a case...but if you dont its really damaging.....dont take anybodys word but research is always the best and only right way to deal with it... Mo-DAWG |
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 5, 2005 14:44:37 GMT -5
I think it is important to KNOW the case before claming innocence. I agree that it is damaging if people speak about cases they know little to nothing about. There is NO WAY I would just take an inmates word for it. I don't want to guess how many % are innocent on death row. I don't know. Many times the inmate will speak for himself or herself with someone posting what he's saying and the web designer may not be speaking for said inmate until the webmaster has looked into the case further. |
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Post by lene on Jun 5, 2005 16:31:44 GMT -5
Yes - I know.
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