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Post by injector on Jun 3, 2005 16:39:14 GMT -5
before everyone jumps down my throat, please hear me out. My propsal would be that we televise executions for a year. After a year of letting the citizenry witness the punishment that is being carried out in their name, we would then take a public vote on whether to have the DP. This would settle the debate once and for all on what the people want. If executions were broadcasted, I honestly do not know whether people would be appalled or desensitized. I do think if one supports the DP, one should view at least one execution. If most people could not bear to witness the punishment they support, I would be fine with abolition.
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Post by antideathpen67 on Jun 3, 2005 17:01:38 GMT -5
I do think if one supports the DP, one should view at least one execution. If most people could not bear to witness the punishment they support, I would be fine with abolition. Erick, this makes sense here, because I think most that say they support the DP would have big problems watching another human being put to death...
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Post by ela on Jun 3, 2005 17:08:57 GMT -5
yes, I have to admit that it makes sense to me too, and hey... I would expect this kind of suggestion from a person who is AGAINST death penalty... Injector, are you sure you feel good??? Anyway I think it will never be possible... broadcasting executions would show that kind of reality that your government for sure want public opinion NEVER know and see...I think none could handle seeing a man executed....
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Post by ex member on Jun 3, 2005 17:58:24 GMT -5
yes, I have to admit that it makes sense to me too, and hey... I would expect this kind of suggestion from a person who is AGAINST death penalty... Injector, are you sure you feel good??? Anyway I think it will never be possible... broadcasting executions would show that kind of reality that your government for sure want public opinion NEVER know and see...I think none could handle seeing a man executed.... Injector use to be very much against the death penalty and has made this statement many times.. as an anti and pro.. I think it's a good idea... if they want to support the death penalty they should see at least one execution.. I believe then people wouldnt be so quick to support it.
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Post by ela on Jun 3, 2005 18:06:42 GMT -5
Ohh sorry... I didn't know he used to be an anti, maybe I didn't read everything he said on here and I couldn't imagine... For what i've read, he really talk like a big supporte of DP... but it's true... you never know who you are talking to... Nice to know it anyway.
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Post by lene on Jun 3, 2005 18:08:56 GMT -5
In Ohio the witnesses get to see everything.. The inmate isn't already strapped down when they open for the witnesses. It was heart breaking to read the news after wards - because Williams mother had to watch her son fighting for his life, kicking, begging for his life.. I don't think anyone was untouched by that situation, so yeah, I say make executions as public as possible! That would for SURE get the death penalty abolished!!
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Post by ex member on Jun 3, 2005 18:26:35 GMT -5
Ohh sorry... I didn't know he used to be an anti, maybe I didn't read everything he said on here and I couldn't imagine... For what i've read, he really talk like a big supporte of DP... but it's true... you never know who you are talking to... Nice to know it anyway. Yep he use to be Anti, now he is a big supporter.. I don't remember why the change, I think it was a case involving children.. Maybe he can remind me... Erick, what made you change you change sides on this issue???
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Post by antideathpen67 on Jun 3, 2005 18:39:32 GMT -5
In Ohio the witnesses get to see everything.. Williams mother had to watch her son fighting for his life, kicking, begging for his life.. Iquote] I am sure this would get the dp abolished... most states you only see them laying down already, being "fixed up" to be killed... yes if they televise executions they should show the whole story, like his last hour...
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Post by injector on Jun 3, 2005 18:48:11 GMT -5
Yep he use to be Anti, now he is a big supporter.. I don't remember why the change, I think it was a case involving children.. Maybe he can remind me... Erick, what made you change you change sides on this issue??? I posted this in responce to a similar question the pro board. Certain cases such as the Jessica Lunsford one. I never really thought about the DP until I came here and looked at things from the victim's side. I used to think of the DP from the inmate's side. I thought about how scared they must be and how cold the whole system is in general. However, I realized that I could never look at things from the inmate's perspective because I could never concieve of doing what they did to get on DR. I don't want to execute EVERY muderer, but the pain they cause is unimaginable. Also, as you might recall, back in Janurary I got in a scuffel with 2 guys who tried to mug me. They pointed a gun at me, and I banked that it was fake and resisted. When I told my girlfriend, she told me how devestated she would have been and how she would have sold the house and never recovered if I had been killed. That image really bothered me, and so would the prospect of her getting killed by some depraved killer. I just can't sympothize with those creeps anymore. Shawni helped turn me pro too. I lost my father when I was 11 in a car crash. I so wish I could talk to him and have him in my life. The idea that a guy like Kunkle could take Shawni's dad from her and then say that the murder was beautiful is abhorant beyond belief. I still consider myself liberal when it comes to crime and punishment. In certain sense I have a bleeding heart. However, I only have so much blood so to speak, and I won't spare any on the most deranged people anymore. Hope that helps.
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Post by jojo29 on Jun 3, 2005 19:28:59 GMT -5
There is no way this would ever happen. I mean I can just imagine the things lawyers would cite to keep it off TV. Do I think it is a good idea? Well I think it would actually become a run of the mill thing because Americans would see it as a TV show and not as actual life.
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Post by injector on Jun 3, 2005 19:36:04 GMT -5
There is no way this would ever happen. I mean I can just imagine the things lawyers would cite to keep it off TV. Do I think it is a good idea? Well I think it would actually become a run of the mill thing because Americans would see it as a TV show and not as actual life. I know it would never happen, but i wish it would.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jun 4, 2005 4:43:45 GMT -5
Televising executions would be a great idea so the people (remember the inmate was sentenced to death in the name of the people) would be able to realize what it really means to execute somebody in their names..i even think they have a right to watch it instead of just hearing about the executions..it´s so easy to say "kill him/her" as long as the condemned person has "no face"/stays kind of anyonymous but if these people are given a "real identity" i´m really interested to see how people react watching the person die ......another thing is that i REALLY doubt the states wouldn´t even dare to broadcast an execution on TV and would try to avoid it as good as they can by bringing up excuses about WHY it can´t be shown on TV...of course the state(s) wouldn´t want that...did anybody ever read what Albert Camus wrote about society and executions? it´s definitely worth to read it.....for those who don´t know Albert Camus..he was one of the greatest philosophers and authors of the 20th century...each and every of his books is worth to read (his other books are NOT about the DP by the way) always Mo-DAWG
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Post by ela on Jun 4, 2005 5:08:22 GMT -5
Of course, yes, Camus! As I said also in another post, always dealing with crimes, laws and society, i would reccomend to read " of crimes and punishment" by Cesare Beccaria, Italy, 1764. I think there, it's the origin about european point of view on capital punishment and laws aplication. hugssssss
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Post by catskillz on Jun 4, 2005 5:20:32 GMT -5
Injector,
Why aren't you in favor of LWOP for those u mentioned?
None of the things u fear would happen when those u point at are given lwop.
Televising executions would be sick imo, we have enough crappy reality tv allready to keep the publics hunger for sensation stilled. It is that same crap tv that is injecting fear and anger in society. Henious crimes have always occured and will always occur. The DP isn't a deterrent, there is not a singe figure or fact in support of that. It would't have prevented any of the trouble u got into..
Another reason for televising an execution i can't think of. U propose to let people decide on CP based on a televised execution?? If u want people to make a descision u need to EDUCATE them. Most rational people that take the time to educate themselves are or become against the DP.
Best catz
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Post by catskillz on Jun 4, 2005 5:21:46 GMT -5
Fjodor Dostojevski - Crime And Punishment
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