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Post by maven on Dec 12, 2005 16:51:05 GMT -5
Without getting in to any debate on whether or not I support the death penalty, I will say I whole heartily do NOT support your group in particular.
It has been said many times, in many places, that the people of the United States need to mind our own busininess when it comes to the affairs of other countries. I whole heartily, and even at times rabidly, agree. My reasons are likely far different from yours, in that I am tired of seeing our tax dollars spent on people who hate us, but I digress.
I find it very hypocritical then the Canadians, who do not use the death penalty, are attempting to control our government in it's use of it.
If you do not support the death penalty, that is wonderful for you and yours. And clearly as it is abolished in your country, your government agrees. But to call our officials murderers and torturers, when it is in fact the people of the United States who overwhelmingly in the states where it is still practiced supported it, is to call US murderers. Not a very wise method of getting your point across in my opinion.
My bottom line is that if you do not think the United States should become involved in the management of foriegn governments, perhaps you should not become involved in ours.
Thank you for your time in reading this.
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Post by CCADP on Dec 12, 2005 16:53:17 GMT -5
Human rights abuses anywhere in the world are the responsibility of everyone in the world.
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Post by isildur on Dec 12, 2005 17:03:12 GMT -5
Ah, since I consider the Canadian health care system, with its excessive theft of wealth from those who have earned it using the threat of violence from the state, to be a human rights abuse, then I can count on your wholehearted support?
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Post by judywaits4u on Dec 12, 2005 18:32:11 GMT -5
When I was in the British Army back in 1981, I was earning £360 a week (About 650$) and out of that I paid about half in Income Tax and National Inusrance. Now I would pay about a third: However I have never found a good argument against paying your dues to your country and fellow citizens because it is the duty of the well off to help the less well off.
You might count your blessings that somebody like me does not become the President of the US of A because I would be raising the tax on the millionaires by about 350,000% per year per million because it is about time these parasites paid a fair percentage of their earnings in tax.
Love and hugs, Judy
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Post by CCADP on Dec 12, 2005 19:24:33 GMT -5
What a silly argument (health care for the poor is a human rights issue against the rich?) Interesting.
ANYway. When the US no longer worries about what the rest of the world is doing; perhaps you can make the argument that other nations have no business looking at what you are doing. As it is; thats just funny.
Swebb; I deleted your message; calling Judy names. Crossed the line.
For those interested; Dave will be on coast to coast Canada wide television tonight discussing a Canadian perspective on the US death penalty. Legal Briefs on Court TV Canada and CITYPULSE news 24 between 9 and 10 PM tonight live. He'll be on for the whole hour.
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Post by isildur on Dec 12, 2005 19:53:43 GMT -5
Health care for the poor is fine.
Taking money from those who earn it using the threat of violence of the state is theft at best and probably more akin to slavery. Yeah, its a human rights issue -- property rights are after all one of those that are supposed to be inalienable, right?
The point should be obvious -- what is and what is not a human rights abuse is to some extent in the eye of the beholder. For instance, some will argue that the death penalty has no benefit as a punishment as it is actually an easier way out for the criminal than life imprisonment. In which case, the whole human rights argument kind of goes out the window, doesn't it?
For Judy, I'd like to point out that those "parasites" -- lets assume we are just talking about the top 5% of wage earners -- are earning about 17% of total income and yet pay about 35% of all income taxes. Since obviously you feel this -- and the bottom 50% of wageearners paying only about 4% of total income taxes -- is not fair, please define what is so we can set some context for discussion. Of course, you might not like it when someone else looks at you and says that you, too, in their opinion, might not be paying a fair amount.
And for the record, I'm always willing to criticize organizations in the U.S. that are looking into what other nations are doing.
Also, I personally feel its my duty to help those less fortunate than me -- and I do so. I do not, however, feel that I have the right to make that decision for anyone else, as that would make me complicit in theft or worse.
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Post by projason on Dec 12, 2005 20:57:48 GMT -5
Deleted by Nazi
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Post by kathy on Dec 12, 2005 21:49:08 GMT -5
First of all I would like to tell Tracy and Dave how much this AMERICAN appreciates what they are doing. Thank you so very much, you have taken on an enormous job. And the fact that you do this not only for American's but for anyone in the world makes it a Very Wonderful thing. Thank You, and please keep up the good work. I know that the DR inmates Thank You also!!!
Kathy
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Post by kathy on Dec 12, 2005 21:51:01 GMT -5
Without getting in to any debate on whether or not I support the death penalty, I will say I whole heartily do NOT support your group in particular.
Then what the HELL are you doing here? Do you need help finding the door?
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Post by projason on Dec 12, 2005 22:00:04 GMT -5
No fights please. hugggz, Suzanne
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Post by kathy on Dec 12, 2005 22:07:21 GMT -5
But, then again, coming from those who are afraid of criminals and fear punishing them, what more would we expect? Sorry Jason but you are barking up the wrong tree. It is the Pro's that are afraid of the criminals and the punishment. We Antis believe whole heartedly in LWOP. Some of us actually write to these "criminals". You as a pro are so afraid, that you would rather murder them than let them do LWOP. You are so afraid of your murders being seen for what they are that you want them murdered ASAP. Doesn't matter to you if they are innocent, they are on DR so kill em quick! You and your Pro buddies are pathetic. Now please go away, we have work to do here!!
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Post by CCADP on Dec 12, 2005 22:30:34 GMT -5
Thats like saying if you don't like how we do things at this board; don't come here and don't talk about it We don't say that; do we; Jason ? Most of your message I can't respond to; it didn't make a lot of sense... but Canada being mainly french? HUH? Actually 22 percent french speaking I believe; and mostly in Quebec and one other province. The VAST majority of Canadians speak like 3 words of French! You don't know WHAT you are talking about; either about Canada or about US history obviously! Anyway welcome back for about the eightieth time, its been awhile since we've got to hear your same old rants...
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Post by projason on Dec 12, 2005 22:31:48 GMT -5
But, then again, coming from those who are afraid of criminals and fear punishing them, what more would we expect? Sorry Jason but you are barking up the wrong tree. It is the Pro's that are afraid of the criminals and the punishment. We Antis believe whole heartedly in LWOP. Some of us actually write to these "criminals". You as a pro are so afraid, that you would rather murder them than let them do LWOP. You are so afraid of your murders being seen for what they are that you want them murdered ASAP. Doesn't matter to you if they are innocent, they are on DR so kill em quick! You and your Pro buddies are pathetic. Now please go away, we have work to do here!! ROFL... You think Pros want innocents executed, and that is not the case. We do not support LWOP because it gives the opportunity for more innocent victims of your beloved killers. You can tell me to go away all day long. You say you have work to do??? What would that be? What work could I possibly be keeping you from? Promoting the abolition of the DP? Am I keeping you from doing that? Or am I just keeping you from writing to someone who murdered another human? You say that pros are afraid of killers.... I guess that may be right. Since the killer already murdered my wifes father, maybe she is afraid that the killer would like to murder her mother next, or maybe her sister. You think that the MVS would have a reason to fear the killer, since the killer already proved they have it in them to murder? I think that any fear the MVS has would be justified. It sure beats the Bullsh!t theory that pros are full of hate and revenge... Maybe fear is more acceptable. You also state that pros are afraid to see what the killers really are. I think we know exactly what they really are, and what they are really capable of. Just take a look at some crime scene photos. I could get into details on specific cased, regarding gunshots to the head, or multiple knife wounds, or beatings with a hammer, or dragging to death behind a vehicle. But you can tell me that those who committed these horrible crimes are something more than the monster it took to do these disgusting and unimaginable crimes. Maybe sitting in a jail cell for years on end will make a person feel like they are cheated out of life. But what about the innocent victims that were taken from this world on someone elses doing and by someone elses choice. You know, the killer would not be on DR if one thing had not happed.... IF THEY DID NOT KILL. But they did, so here we are. You want to blame someone, blame the one and ONLY person that started the dominoes falling. There was ONE and ONLY ONE person that put us here.... THE KILLER
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Post by projason on Dec 12, 2005 22:36:16 GMT -5
Thats like saying if you don't like how we do things at this board; don't come here and don't talk about it We don't say that; do we; Jason ? Anyway welcome back for about the eightieth time, its been awhile since we've got to hear your same old rants... ROFL.... We sure don't Tracy!!!! Thanks for the welcome back. It would not be an 18th time if one of your mods didn't have a power fetish. You know, I have been banned twice without even posting, rofl. Now that is sad. But thanks again for the welcome mat. Maybe I can get up to 100 bans before Christmas... someone just needs to call a certain Mod and wake her up, lmfao. Thanks again Tracy! Jason
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Post by kathy on Dec 12, 2005 22:45:11 GMT -5
Jason,
May I suggest that we take this to the debate area? This really is the wrong place for it.
Kathy
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