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Post by dio on Dec 13, 2005 1:47:06 GMT -5
Jason, May I suggest that we take this to the debate area? This really is the wrong place for it. Kathy There's a debate area here?Gosh when did it get added I been here 4 months and aint found it yet....LOL Or would you be referring to the area where everyone's posts who don't buy into the sanctity of murder gets modified? dio |
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Post by maven on Dec 13, 2005 2:12:23 GMT -5
My argument is not that you do not have the right to be against the death penalty. I believe that you have the right to feel how you wish. My argument is that Canadians who do not and can not take part in our government, have NO business telling our government, and as they are directly our extention, we as Americans, how to handle our criminal justice system.
And Kathy? I guess we all have the issue of admin bootlickers, but unless you bear an admin title, don't tell me to leave. If you DO bear one, then simply ban me for my temerity to ask why on earth this particular group of Canadians are acting like hypocrites.
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Post by judywaits4u on Dec 13, 2005 8:21:07 GMT -5
My argument is not that you do not have the right to be against the death penalty. I believe that you have the right to feel how you wish. My argument is that Canadians who do not and can not take part in our government, have NO business telling our government, and as they are directly our extention, we as Americans, how to handle our criminal justice system. And Kathy? I guess we all have the issue of admin bootlickers, but unless you bear an admin title, don't tell me to leave. If you DO bear one, then simply ban me for my temerity to ask why on earth this particular group of Canadians are acting like hypocrites. Is that a Grissly, Brown, Black or Polar Bear; or do you not know the Queen's English. |
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Post by janet on Dec 13, 2005 10:43:59 GMT -5
It is the moral responsibility if each individual, in an increasingly interdependent world, to speak out against injustices and human rights abuses anywhere. China is a fine example of a nation that flagrantly disregards international opinion, yet the Canadian government is one of their leading trading partners. This, quite frankly, is wrong. During the visit of the Prime Minister of China, many of us brought this to the attention of the Canadian government. It's clearly hypocrisy based, of course, on economics. We each have a voice and a responsibility to be heard, with respect, 'agreeing to disagree', if necessary.
As you would be aware, support for the death penalty is steadily declining in the United States. Can anyone tell me that California is any 'safer' today than yesterday, now that Stanley 'Tookie' Williams has been executed? To those who rejoice in execution, how little you must value human life. Curiously, the highest support for the death penalty is in the southern states where the evangelical Christian right prevails. The manner in which Tim LaHaye and Jerry Falwell have influenced American policy is nothing short of shocking ... what happened to the separation of Church and State? This, I find, truly frightening and clearly regressive.
Insofar, as the United States setting 'Iraq free from a murderous dictator', am I incorrect in my history when I state that it is this very 'murderous dicator' whom the United States assured a leader of Iraq
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Post by judywaits4u on Dec 13, 2005 12:39:42 GMT -5
Can anybody name a single country in the world where the USA has not poked its nose into its internal legal and/or political systems?
I certainly cannot think of a single one myself. Before anybody says the United Kingdom, the USA was poking its nose into the North of Ireland for many years before the involvement of Bill Clinton.
Love and hugs,
Judy
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Post by erick on Dec 13, 2005 14:32:02 GMT -5
Human rights abuses anywhere in the world are the responsibility of everyone in the world. I agree with this. I do not think executing murderers is an abuse of human rights, but we are all citizens of the world. We all have right to say "f*ck you to countries that endorse practices such as female genital mutilation and the stoning of adulteresses. If it were not for religion.... |
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Post by ela on Dec 13, 2005 14:35:49 GMT -5
Well Erick... all those States that DON'T have death penalty ( and it is more than HALF world)... consider death penalty as an ABUSE of human rights...
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Post by erick on Dec 13, 2005 14:38:47 GMT -5
Well Erick... all those States that DON'T have death penalty ( and it is more than HALF world)... consider death penalty as an ABUSE of human rights... True. Most countries do not have the DP. However, I bet most people support the DP. I admit that I do not have the facts to back that-up, but I would bet that most people in the world support CP. |
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Post by ela on Dec 13, 2005 14:44:13 GMT -5
I don't know about this Erick... I can assure you that my country is abolitionist and it is a matter of fact.. i don't know about this for other countries...
What I wanted to say was just that it is not that "someone says that DP is human rights abuse".. death penalty is considered human right's abuse like from the whole world, except (obviously) those country that still practice capital punishment... and those are not the most part of the world.
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Post by erick on Dec 13, 2005 15:15:33 GMT -5
I don't know about this Erick... I can assure you that my country is abolitionist and it is a matter of fact.. i don't know about this for other countries... What I wanted to say was just that it is not that "someone says that DP is human rights abuse".. death penalty is considered human right's abuse like from the whole world, except (obviously) those country that still practice capital punishment... and those are not the most part of the world. I appreciate your input, Ela. I live in a non-dp state, yet it seems that most people here in WI support the DP for murder. It is just an observation. I cannot speak for the average Italian. |
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Post by sclcookie on Dec 13, 2005 16:16:45 GMT -5
Without getting in to any debate on whether or not I support the death penalty, I will say I whole heartily do NOT support your group in particular. It has been said many times, in many places, that the people of the United States need to mind our own busininess when it comes to the affairs of other countries. I whole heartily, and even at times rabidly, agree. My reasons are likely far different from yours, in that I am tired of seeing our tax dollars spent on people who hate us, but I digress. I find it very hypocritical then the Canadians, who do not use the death penalty, are attempting to control our government in it's use of it. If you do not support the death penalty, that is wonderful for you and yours. And clearly as it is abolished in your country, your government agrees. But to call our officials murderers and torturers, when it is in fact the people of the United States who overwhelmingly in the states where it is still practiced supported it, is to call US murderers. Not a very wise method of getting your point across in my opinion. My bottom line is that if you do not think the United States should become involved in the management of foriegn governments, perhaps you should not become involved in ours. Thank you for your time in reading this. I'm an American. I'm a Texan. These Canandians are doing a great thing to help this world get rid of the death penalty. Most of these forums are multi-cultural being that this is the "world wide web". hugggz, Suzanne |
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Post by attitude on Dec 14, 2005 1:29:10 GMT -5
I should say welcome back Jason, but I am not in the mood
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