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Post by godhasitdown on Jul 15, 2008 10:51:17 GMT -5
I am not used to this board. I in no way intened to slam pumpinkpie. I was replying to something else and must of hit the wrong button. I am still in a maze in here. Sorry pumpinkpie. :-( That was not meant for you.......My comments are only meant for people to read that are FOR the death penalty. AND I don't not respect those people, I just don't want to have that in my life. I should probably not even respond to those types of comments cause to me they are not relevent to my life. You are calling Andie a hypocrite? Look at how big of a hypocrite you are being. Pros are not in your "caliber of social circle" - is that what you have learned about God and Jesus? I can say this to be a fact: You do not know what God thinks of someone else, so quit claiming to know such things. I can say this as an opinion: there are a lot of good people on this board who do an excellent job presenting the arguments against the death penalty. You are not one of those people..you are an embarassment to that cause, and you are now embarrassing us Christians. Sticking "God Bless You" at the end of several posts slamming someone , telling them you know what God thinks of them and that you are better than them, most definitely does not make you a Christian. If you are what you represent to be, then start acting like it. Any why are you slamming pumpinkpie? She is against death penalty and is not unkind to anyone. Pst. Pst. Pst. Why are you even on this board? Do you come here to argue with people because your "for the person to be killed by the state"? I don't normally even talk to pro-death penality people because IMO they are not in my caliber of social circle and I don't want to waste anymore time with talking to someone that is a hypocrite. It is my opinion and if I feel like talking about God then I will. You have to answer to your own sins. I wish you all the best.......
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Post by godhasitdown on Jul 15, 2008 16:51:45 GMT -5
Pumpkinpie. I did not mean to ruffle your feathers. I will just put it like this. I FEEL that if people are involved in the death of another, eg, the DA, jury, judge, plunger pusher, people that want to be involved in seeing a person die. Those are the people that I feel are just as guilty of murder as anyone else. That post was not meant for you. I hit the wrong button and am still trying to figure out how to get around in here. If I replied to you, I am sorry. I didn't mean to. I meant for it to be a general statement of my opinion....... You are guilty of murder if your pro-death penalty. God KNOWS your heart, it does not' t matter to him whether you act on it or not. All you have to do is want it. You do NOT have to kill someone to be a killer. You want the death penalty, you are a killer. Things will not change. Keep paying the bills and stop whining. God even would forgive you if you if you asked him to. You would have to mean it though.. Remember? he knows your mind and heart. ;D God will forgive Andie for what? Her opinion! Because that's all it is, just as this is yours. No one here needs to hear religous preachings. And I'm sorry but, I think it's a little over dramatic to say that anyone pro-death penalty is a killer. People are entitled to their feelings and beliefs on this issue. True I find the pro-death penalty mind at times illogical and revengeful, it's certainly not murderous, and especially not Andies! A person is entitled to their own feelings. We don't need your religous preachings here, thanks.
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Post by briseis on Jul 15, 2008 16:52:13 GMT -5
Godhasitdown, While I admire your passion against the death penalty, do try to avoid insulting Pros simply because of their beliefs. It is exactly this type of behaviour most of us Antis are disgusted by on the Pro boards; I was brutally insulted on the Pro boards I went to simply because I'm Anti Death Penalty. I welcome Pros here; the world would be a tedious place indeed if we all shared the same opinion. And it is exactly this difference in opinion which makes us human. But if you're not comfortable talking with Pros, then don't.
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Post by godhasitdown on Jul 15, 2008 18:14:01 GMT -5
briseis. Thanks :-) I get kind of angry at times because I know and represent a person on death row. This person, told me to say this: "Some of the pro-death penalty people have no clue how serene it is on Death row if one is at inner peace with themselves." I was slammed really hard on a pro-board myself and I have done nothing but try to be decent so I tend to get defensive and that is not cool One of the lead counsels on this case had his life threatened by a pro. because he was defending him in court as an attorney. This is why I have a real problem with it. I will take your advise, it is very good advise...... Godhasitdown, While I admire your passion against the death penalty, do try to avoid insulting Pros simply because of their beliefs. It is exactly this type of behaviour most of us Antis are disgusted by on the Pro board; I was brutally insulted on the Pro boards I went to simply because I'm Anti Death Penalty. I welcome Pros here; the world would be a tedious place indeed if we all shared the same opinion. And it is exactly this difference in opinion which makes us human. But if you're not comfortable talking with Pros, then don't.
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Post by andie on Jul 15, 2008 18:49:41 GMT -5
Yes I know killing on earth will never change and I also know that probably in my lifetime the death penalty will be abolished so no I am not ignorant of facts. Yes killing is wrong and yes anti's believe that executions are wrong and a form of killing but my opinion on the death penalty is that it is lawful (until the country says otherwise). Now here is for thinking clearly...a person with a badge...so your talking about police officers, FBI agents and the like am I wrong? In that case when they do use their weapons they are either protecting themselves or protecting another persons life when someone else is threatning it--and yes I do think that with a badge and in that kind of circumstance then yeah it's ok...and as for juries who are we to judge their decisions--correct me if I'm wrong but they don't just volunteer to be on a death penalty case. I want people dead....right and you came to this conclusion how? Oh because I'm pro...so I guess all muslims are terrorists with that train of thought. Like you said in your own words..the killing will continue and if it does so will punishments like the death penalty. Well well well then since you know this and if you have a brain in your head which I assume you do since "most" animals can't type (however I have seen monkeys type) you know that killing in any form will never ever change on Planet Earth. Soooooooo on that note, keep paying the bills. We are a group of people that believe that ALL killing is wrong. Humans are humans. If they have a badge it is OK? If they are called to jury duty it is OK? If they are sitting on a bench in black then it is OK? Are you that stupid? These are all human beings. The killing will continue. It is human nature. Look YOU want people dead. You are guilty of murder if your pro-death penalty. God KNOWS your heart, it does not' t matter to him whether you act on it or not. All you have to do is want it. Your just as guilty as anyone that carries out the act to God. Sooooooooo as I said, keep on paying the bills. We, that are anti-death penalty can sleep at night and know we are walking the walk because "we" don't Judge people. We know that the real Judge is there for us. I guess Osama Bin Laden should not be a bad boy aye? Of course not, he didn't kill anyone. He just told others to do it. He is just as guilty as the terrorists that blew up the TC. You do NOT have to kill someone to be a killer. You want the death penalty, you are a killer. Things will not change. Keep paying the bills and stop whining. God even would forgive you if you if you asked him to. You would have to mean it though.. Remember? he knows your mind and heart. ;D
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Post by andie on Jul 15, 2008 19:02:55 GMT -5
Ok, your angry at pro's for a) attacking you on a board and b) because a pro threatened the life of the person you know lead legal counsel yet your pretty much calling everyone who is doing their job within let's call it the death penalty system i.e. DA's juries judges and people who support the death penalty murderers to an extent they are two very different situations but when reading between the lines both sides are getting attacked for what...bingo doing their jobs......yet for you it's ok for one side and not the other? and for the record i do not condone that pro's tactics of threatning that attorney's life.....what is there to accomplish by a Pro doing something illegal? briseis. Thanks :-) I get kind of angry at times because I know and represent a person on death row. This person, told me to say this: "Some of the pro-death penalty people have no clue how serene it is on Death row if one is at inner peace with themselves." I was slammed really hard on a pro-board myself and I have done nothing but try to be decent so I tend to get defensive and that is not cool One of the lead counsels on this case had his life threatened by a pro. because he was defending him in court as an attorney. This is why I have a real problem with it. I will take your advise, it is very good advise...... Godhasitdown, While I admire your passion against the death penalty, do try to avoid insulting Pros simply because of their beliefs. It is exactly this type of behaviour most of us Antis are disgusted by on the Pro board; I was brutally insulted on the Pro boards I went to simply because I'm Anti Death Penalty. I welcome Pros here; the world would be a tedious place indeed if we all shared the same opinion. And it is exactly this difference in opinion which makes us human. But if you're not comfortable talking with Pros, then don't.
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Post by godhasitdown on Jul 15, 2008 20:45:39 GMT -5
andie. OK how to try to put this in respectful words. I do not have one single problem with a police officer or someone in authority to defend themselves and kill the other if it comes down to a "you or me" situation. All of us would do "whatever" it takes to save our own lives, even kill IMO. OK I am talking about the "Judge" that signs the death warrant. It is my opinion that "if" that particular judge or DA that shot for the moon or the Warden that makes the final nod to the plunger pusher. Those are the people that are directly involved with the death of another in one form or another. I feel that if a person "wants" the death to occur, then they are involved only on a silent basis. I believe strongly that no-one on this planet should take life under any circumstances. Wouldn't that be the heavenly world to live in? Un-fortunately that will never happen. There are people so full of hate and rage that they do threaten judges, jury's, this and that because they are pro-death penalty. Those are dangerous people. I feel we need to all focus on the "causes of these problems" rather than the "spend all the money to do something that is teaching children that it is OK to kill if you have this or that job (referring to the above statement). Anyway no harm intended. I just have a strong passion toward people that have messed up their lives. I always have and always will. I could never sit on a jury, or have anything to do with causing the death of another human or even pet.. Life, ALL LIFE is presious..... :-) Ok, your angry at pro's for a) attacking you on a board and b) because a pro threatened the life of the person you know lead legal counsel yet your pretty much calling everyone who is doing their job within let's call it the death penalty system i.e. DA's juries judges and people who support the death penalty murderers to an extent they are two very different situations but when reading between the lines both sides are getting attacked for what...bingo doing their jobs......yet for you it's ok for one side and not the other? and for the record i do not condone that pro's tactics of threatning that attorney's life.....what is there to accomplish by a Pro doing something illegal? briseis. Thanks :-) I get kind of angry at times because I know and represent a person on death row. This person, told me to say this: "Some of the pro-death penalty people have no clue how serene it is on Death row if one is at inner peace with themselves." I was slammed really hard on a pro-board myself and I have done nothing but try to be decent so I tend to get defensive and that is not cool One of the lead counsels on this case had his life threatened by a pro. because he was defending him in court as an attorney. This is why I have a real problem with it. I will take your advise, it is very good advise......
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Post by briseis on Jul 16, 2008 4:43:05 GMT -5
Godhasitdown, I hear you; I also have a friend on Death Row. It's difficult to be respectful to people who want our friends dead, but then ... again, best to rise above it.
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Post by justme on Jul 16, 2008 7:13:36 GMT -5
briseis-
To me, it is not as simple as "wanting your friend dead." If I had my wish, these individuals would not commit these awful crimes in the first place and we would not be having this discussion.
I realize you have befriended someone on death row, and that you have an attachment to that person and you will be sad when that individual is executed. But you had to know what you were getting into. I supported the death penalty in certain situations before you befriended that indivudual, and you were against the death penalty before you befriended that individual. To translate that into me wanting your friend dead is a big leap.
We are not all heartless people. 15 years ago, I served on a jury where a mother was accused of injury to her child. If convicted, her possible range of sentence went from 20 years to life. The complicating matter was that no one knew what happended to the child, he was nowhere to be found. And she would not tell anyone where he was. So we had no idea if the child was even alive. Before I served on the jury, I would have told you I had no problem giving someone life when they hurt their child .
We ended up convicting this individual as there was no reasonable doubt she did what the prosecuters said she did. The sentencing phase took longer than the trial. But after hearing about her childhood and hearing her other little boy testify, I could not bring myself to wanting life. We ended up giving her 75 years, which is basically life anyway. But I do think if I served on a jury for a capital punishment case, I would not rush to judgement and would not always want to impose the maximum sentence...I would try to give the person every possible reason to not be given the death penalty.
But I believe there are some killers who are just bad, and it is not society's job to take any future risk with them. If they become Christians and achieve salvation - more power to them. They will be in a better place and their short time on Earth will mean nothing to them. But for me it comes down to whether or not their life is worth risking an innocent peron's life. In the end, they are where they are because of what they did, so I have to choose the side of innocence.
We have discussed the Pena/Ertman murders at length on this website. I have said that I was really on the fence about the death penalty until that case - but the facts of that case were enough for me. I know you believe some of them are remorseful now, but it is a day late and a dollar short I am afraid. Had I served on any of the juries, I know I would have recommended the death penalty for Cantu, J. Medellin, O'Brien and Perez. They had no reason to do what they did other than the fact they were just mean. I don't know about 15 years ago, but at least now I would have spared R. Villareal as he had no criminal record and appears to have just gone crazy that night. The 14-year old kid (Jose's little brother), there was no trial for him. But he is the one that society should spend resources towards rehabiltating and getting back to his familiy as soon as possible, because he has a future. Perez and Villareal had their sentences commuted to life, but I cannot imagine those two ever being paroled.
Nit who knows. The woman we sentenced to 75 years is already out of prison.
I am sorry for the grief you will likely go through when your friend is executed. But you chose someone who 12 random people, after sitting through the trial and weighing the evidence, determined should be subject to the maximum sentence allowable under state law. He is not on death row beacuse of a vengeful group of pros, he is on death row at the recommendation of twelve random people, any of whom could have prevented his sentence if they believed his life should be spared. And none did.
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Post by godhasitdown on Jul 16, 2008 10:02:58 GMT -5
briseis Yeah that is a good way to handle it BUT when a person did not do what he was convicted of doing, and there is nothing but circumstantial evidence (no hard evidence at all), then it is hard for me to be civil to people that believe nothing but the prosecutions side. See we have been through three sentencing trials and never made it past first base. Getting ready to go yet back again. So far to date, this case has cost over 6 million dollars. He will never make it to the death chamber. He is going to get the sentence overturned to life. The thing is all of that moneys could have gone to so many more productive things. Also, the defense never took the stand. So the story and the crimes he was accused of have not been talked about at all from the side of the defense. When he finally does talk, there would not be a jury in the world that would sentence him to death. Why did he not take the stand? That is something that is hard to understand myself but I do understand it now. It is going to be one of these "released off death row after 25 years" kind of thing and the world will be shocked. It is a very high profile case...... THAT is why I do not like the attitudes of people that are pro they are the ones that will be scratching their heads when that day comes... AND it will.... There is plenty of evidence now. :-) Godhasitdown, I hear you; I also have a friend on Death Row. It's difficult to be respectful to people who want our friends dead, but then ... again, best to rise above it.
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Post by briseis on Jul 16, 2008 14:10:42 GMT -5
Justme, Anyone reading your message to me might think that I am a naive and bitter woman, who feels that her friend is on Death Row because of 'vengeful' and 'heartless' Pros, and who finds it difficult to accept the fate of her friend on Death Row. When this is by far, not the case. To start, I didn't suggest that this was a 'simple' matter or that you are 'heartless'. How you have come to that conclusion I don't know. I simply stated a FACT to Godhasitdown, that Pros want our friends dead, and that can be hard to swallow, as you can probably imagine. Regardless of the circumstances, or how complex the situation is, what I have stated is still a fact, whether you feel comfortable with it or not. My friend is on Death Row, having been convicted of murdering someone else. And as a Pro, you want him dead. Of course it's complex. But it needs no translation. It may not be a simple matter, but it is still a fact. And to dispute it would be senseless. I find it odd that you would even contest it, as most Pros who have crossed my path have enjoyed spitting that fact in my face, taking full pleasure in the fact that when my friend is executed, it will also deeply upset me. Clearly, you are not like them. Still, as a Pro, I'm surprised you contest it, when it is so obviously true, however complex. You're entitled to your opinion on the death penalty, and I accept your beliefs on this issue. I don't agree with them, for I couldn't imagine myself wishing anyone dead. But you are a person with an opinion, and I another. You speak as though when I first wrote to my friend I was unaware of what I was getting myself involved with. I'm not naive, and I'm more experienced in this matter than you might think. I befriended this individual with my eyes open, fully aware of how our friendship will likely end. This, I accept. And have done since day one. How I will feel and the grief I will go through is irrelevant, when I will know that when my friend dies, instead of being alone in the world, he will know that he has a dear friend who will miss him and remember him for who he is, and not for what he did all those years ago. As for the Pena/Ertman murders, I am very well informed on them, thank you. Although I'm not prepared to go into detail on how. I like to keep my friends' identities private, especially to Pros. I am also aware of the system and how it works, and how many people sit on a jury, and why my friend is on Death Row without your telling me. With regard this, as I mentioned to another poster, one of the convicted men is a friend of mine, although I take no offence to your wanting him executed. The Pena/Ertman murders were extreme indeed, and the lack of remorse, disturbing. Just out of interest, you say you support the death penalty after having seen the Pena/Ertman murderers show no remorse for their actions, whereas before you were on the fence. So are you suggesting that you only agree with the death penalty where the inmates don't feel immediate remorse? And why do you feel it's 'too late' if they show remorse some time later? Why is it too late? And what good can come from executing remorseful and rehabilitated men? I never suggested that anyone is on death row was because of 'vengeful Pros'. My friend is on death row by his own doing, his own foolish behaviour, his own dreadful mistake. He is to blame. He is responsible. And if the death penalty were abolished, I would like to think that he would serve the rest of his days in prison, never to be released. I believe in Life Imprisonment. People who murder should never be trusted again ... Life is too precious to trust them again. Thank you for your empathy; it's very decent of you to show empathy to me. But please, try not to come to your own conclusions on what I say. I stated a fact. I did not say Pros were 'heartless'. If I were so extreme as to think people heartless because we share a different opinion, I would be a very lonely woman, and I wouldn't be engaged to my fiancé, who is a Pro. How we feel about controversial topics - abortion, euthanasia, the death penalty etc - is of little reflection on the person. There's so much more to them than that. This is, I suppose why I can see past the crime however horrendous to the person underneath when I look at an inmate. There's so much more to these inmates than a conviction and a death sentence. Can I just finish by stating that if I had my wish, there would be no death penalty, and we wouldn't be having this discussion. We would perhaps both be happy that convicted murderers were behind bars for the rest of their lives, the public safe, no more blood spilled. Regards
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Post by briseis on Jul 16, 2008 14:27:45 GMT -5
Godhasitdown,
Brilliant to hear your friend will likely be released, although so sad to hear he's an innocent on Death Row. Although very few Pros will believe he is innocent, until he is proven innocent. That's why there is little point in letting their opinion annoy you. Remember, it is not the fault of Pros that he is an innocent on Death Row. It is the fault of the system.
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Post by justme on Jul 16, 2008 18:35:53 GMT -5
briseis-
I like your posts, and I know you are well-informed and not bitter (I also know from reading your other posts that you are well-informed on the Pena/Ertman murders and that one of them is your friend).
I did not mean to imply ignorance on your part.
My response was to a very brief post you made, in which you stated "It's difficult to be respectful to people who want our friends dead, but then ... again, best to rise above it."
You spent a lot of time in your next post explaining that statement, and I appreciate it. It is just that when I read it the first time I took some exception to it because I fit that category that you need to rise above, and I am a pretty decent person.
I don't feel like I "want someone dead" so much as I view it as a necassary evil given the crime and the alternatives. However, I understand your point: If I support death penalty then I want a condemned person to die. I do not view it that way, but you certainly have the right to feel as if I do.
To address your question on Pena/Ertman - I lived in Houston during that case and obviolusly followed it closely, as did many Houstonians, because it really shook up the city. I also became a father for the first time that year. I guess the combination of becoming a father and hearing the gruesome details of the crime (coupled with the lack of remorse) - I came to the conclusion that the death penalty was appropriate for some people. If I were a juror on a death penalty case, I would be much more likely to show leniancy to someone who was remorseful and understood the severity of the crime then I would be for someone who acted as if nothing had been done wrong (and who even bragged about it). As far as showing remorse later in life, I do believe it can be true - but I would be somewhat skeptical of the motive. I hope it is true and that they gain salvation, as I have stated.
I do not tend to be one of the pros that celebrates the death penalty, calls killers "animals" or anything like that. This is because, as a father, I also know I would love and support my children NO MATTER WHAT THEY DID IN LIFE, and so I know there are family members out there hurting for the condemed. In the end I just quietly accept the fact that some people, by their own actions, have given up their right to life by depriving it from someone else. I know this opinion does not sit well with anyone here, but it is what it is.
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Post by andie on Jul 16, 2008 18:39:28 GMT -5
I guess it's an assumption that all pro's don't know that there are innocent people on death row or in prison for that matter. I am very well aware of people who were once on death row who have been exonerated or even those who had their sentences changed. However, I'm still a bit skeptical about an innocent person being executed...I know it's a high possibility but I have yet to see a judge, State, time, and date state that an innocent person has been executed. But I will add and as a pro, and hope to be prosecuter if I were living in a death penalty state or country for that matter I would not try for an execution if all the evidence I had was circumstancial---that is taking a huge chance---however I would try for life in prison--- again like briseis said it's not the pro's fault that an innocent person is on death row...and it's certanly not our fault, or the fault of the judges, the govenors or the plunger pusher that a guilty person is getting the death penalty. But the only thing that I still don't understand is godhasitdown is that you believe all killing is wrong--ok I get that-- yet you have compassion for those who are on death row and yet, it's like you blame or have a problem with everyone who put them on death row...so, if you believe that killing is wrong and the death penalty is killing then why not understand or have compassion for those who push the plunger or sign the death warrent? Because the way you put the situations i.e. the death row inmate and the death row warrden it sounds the same to me. briseis Yeah that is a good way to handle it BUT when a person did not do what he was convicted of doing, and there is nothing but circumstantial evidence (no hard evidence at all), then it is hard for me to be civil to people that believe nothing but the prosecutions side. See we have been through three sentencing trials and never made it past first base. Getting ready to go yet back again. So far to date, this case has cost over 6 million dollars. He will never make it to the death chamber. He is going to get the sentence overturned to life. The thing is all of that moneys could have gone to so many more productive things. Also, the defense never took the stand. So the story and the crimes he was accused of have not been talked about at all from the side of the defense. When he finally does talk, there would not be a jury in the world that would sentence him to death. Why did he not take the stand? That is something that is hard to understand myself but I do understand it now. It is going to be one of these "released off death row after 25 years" kind of thing and the world will be shocked. It is a very high profile case...... THAT is why I do not like the attitudes of people that are pro they are the ones that will be scratching their heads when that day comes... AND it will.... There is plenty of evidence now. :-) Godhasitdown, I hear you; I also have a friend on Death Row. It's difficult to be respectful to people who want our friends dead, but then ... again, best to rise above it.
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Post by godhasitdown on Jul 16, 2008 19:02:11 GMT -5
andie. I don't condone any killing what-so-ever as I explained before where it is a citizen or a person in authority. The main thing about the death sentence and execution is that the state, federal, etc. are pre-meditating a death from the very first moment. It is one that is done without drugs/alcohol, it is done with all faculties in place, it is done with planning a murder, not to mention kidnapping is in there as well. Why should "anyone" be able to take life? These death penalty cases are costing billions and billions of dollars. That is contrary to so many things that the money could be used for to "prevent" it from happening again. By the way.... Your statement of the circumstantial evidence is a sign to me that you would be a good prosecutor because we need prosecutors that have physical hard core evidence. NOT this he said she said stuff with absolutely NO DNA or anything else but things that are just a theory. If Charles Manson was released today, he would probably get killed on the outside. I personally don't think he is a threat anymore. Maybe a nu sense but not a threat, yet he will remain in prison until he dies of natural causes. Keeping people on death row for decades and having them go back to court over and over and over again because of this or that is very expensive. Why do it? Isn't there enough crime out here on the streets that need concentration? I guess it's an assumption that all pro's don't know that there are innocent people on death row or in prison for that matter. I am very well aware of people who were once on death row who have been exonerated or even those who had their sentences changed. However, I'm still a bit skeptical about an innocent person being executed...I know it's a high possibility but I have yet to see a judge, State, time, and date state that an innocent person has been executed. But I will add and as a pro, and hope to be prosecuter if I were living in a death penalty state or country for that matter I would not try for an execution if all the evidence I had was circumstancial---that is taking a huge chance---however I would try for life in prison--- again like briseis said it's not the pro's fault that an innocent person is on death row...and it's certanly not our fault, or the fault of the judges, the govenors or the plunger pusher that a guilty person is getting the death penalty. But the only thing that I still don't understand is godhasitdown is that you believe all killing is wrong--ok I get that-- yet you have compassion for those who are on death row and yet, it's like you blame or have a problem with everyone who put them on death row...so, if you believe that killing is wrong and the death penalty is killing then why not understand or have compassion for those who push the plunger or sign the death warrent? Because the way you put the situations i.e. the death row inmate and the death row warrden it sounds the same to me. briseis Yeah that is a good way to handle it BUT when a person did not do what he was convicted of doing, and there is nothing but circumstantial evidence (no hard evidence at all), then it is hard for me to be civil to people that believe nothing but the prosecutions side. See we have been through three sentencing trials and never made it past first base. Getting ready to go yet back again. So far to date, this case has cost over 6 million dollars. He will never make it to the death chamber. He is going to get the sentence overturned to life. The thing is all of that moneys could have gone to so many more productive things. Also, the defense never took the stand. So the story and the crimes he was accused of have not been talked about at all from the side of the defense. When he finally does talk, there would not be a jury in the world that would sentence him to death. Why did he not take the stand? That is something that is hard to understand myself but I do understand it now. It is going to be one of these "released off death row after 25 years" kind of thing and the world will be shocked. It is a very high profile case...... THAT is why I do not like the attitudes of people that are pro they are the ones that will be scratching their heads when that day comes... AND it will.... There is plenty of evidence now. :-)
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