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Post by andie on Jan 22, 2008 17:25:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't be thanking her just yet... this is what you said in another topic " Prison is punishment, a place of darkness in which the inmate can sit and reflect on their crimes, and think about those they have hurt, and the lives and suffering they have inflicted on others. Or to sit in an overall discusting atmosphere, getting only a shower or two a week." and I replayed agreeing with lwop and living in miserable conditions.. and guess what mrs.ramirez called me dumb...but since I agreed with you I guess that makes you dumb 2. Really, where in the world are you getting your information from? Did you not read the whole article? Nothing in it said anything about him not trying to save his kids, or about dart boards. How would you know how he was feeling? Are you in that much of denial that mistakes have been made and that innocent people have been executed? It may not happen daily, weekly, monthly or yearly, but it has happened. Look at the few who have been released from death row after being found innocent years later. Is it ok for him to have been executed considering the other guy on DR was later found innocent in the same TYPE of arson scenario? What do you think of the other arson case the article talks about, where the other innocent guy on death row was released? Should he have been executed as well? If the system never makes mistakes, why was that mistake made? It is not ok to execute the innocent, or the potentially innocent person, sorry. Ah shut it kid.[/quote] LOL! Thanks Mrs. Ramirez![/quote]
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jan 22, 2008 17:34:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't be thanking her just yet... this is what you said in another topic " Prison is punishment, a place of darkness in which the inmate can sit and reflect on their crimes, and think about those they have hurt, and the lives and suffering they have inflicted on others. Or to sit in an overall discusting atmosphere, getting only a shower or two a week." and I replayed agreeing with lwop and living in miserable conditions.. and guess what mrs.ramirez called me dumb...but since I agreed with you I guess that makes you dumb 2. [/quote] The name-calling posts in the other section were deleted. No one is calling anyone dumb here. Let's debate with no name calling, I agree.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jan 22, 2008 18:15:39 GMT -5
Andie, you have more of an interest in this subject than I did at 19. When I was 19, I don't think I even knew if I was a pro or anti. I was probably more of a pro then.
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Post by andie on Jan 22, 2008 20:05:37 GMT -5
I have always had an intrest in law...I want to be a criminal prosecuter. However I am not in denial about the dp..I'm actually kind of glad Canada doesn't have one anymore because due to recent developments of "the good doctor" at sick kids hospital convicted two people one of killing his neice and the other a mother killing her daughter. If they would have gotten the dp then they would have been innocent...seems the doctor witheld information and evidence. Regardless of my position I am doing an essay on wrongful convictions, and yes it does happen and maybe even a person has been executed and innocent but I haven't found a judge who has offically admitted it. As for my issue with the DP..I don't see it as a form of revenge, I see it as a sentence that can be given out for those who comitt murder. If people continue to murder then they continue to support that punishment. Heck I'd support lwop if it actually meant life in prison..and prisoners didn't have privillages but it's not the case in some instances. I just feel that because murderers have privillages ..they get to fall in love and get married and so on..its like society is forgetting that a family had a loved one taken away from them. I don't think its fair. DP or not..there has to be some form of punishment that at least degrades a murderer. call it revenge call it whatever you like...its just my opinion. Andie, you have more of an interest in this subject than I did at 19. When I was 19, I don't think I even knew if I was a pro or anti. I was probably more of a pro then.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jan 22, 2008 21:38:49 GMT -5
I have always had an intrest in law...I want to be a criminal prosecuter. However I am not in denial about the dp..I'm actually kind of glad Canada doesn't have one anymore because due to recent developments of "the good doctor" at sick kids hospital convicted two people one of killing his neice and the other a mother killing her daughter. If they would have gotten the dp then they would have been innocent...seems the doctor witheld information and evidence. Regardless of my position I am doing an essay on wrongful convictions, and yes it does happen and maybe even a person has been executed and innocent but I haven't found a judge who has offically admitted it. As for my issue with the DP..I don't see it as a form of revenge, I see it as a sentence that can be given out for those who comitt murder. If people continue to murder then they continue to support that punishment. Heck I'd support lwop if it actually meant life in prison..and prisoners didn't have privillages but it's not the case in some instances. I just feel that because murderers have privillages ..they get to fall in love and get married and so on..its like society is forgetting that a family had a loved one taken away from them. I don't think its fair. DP or not..there has to be some form of punishment that at least degrades a murderer. call it revenge call it whatever you like...its just my opinion. Andie, you have more of an interest in this subject than I did at 19. When I was 19, I don't think I even knew if I was a pro or anti. I was probably more of a pro then. Andie, I think you have the potential to be an anti, and I think your getting there.... I'm glad to see you admit that innocent people have been executed. You probably won't find a judge who will admit to it though, but good luck. And good luck with your essay and your future goals! You don't have to be in favor of writing to prisoners to be against the death penalty. There are some that I would never write to, and others that I feel I could correspond with. And not everyone here writes or has written to prisoners. That's a personal choice. You know what's best for you and what is not.
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Post by happyhaddock on Jan 23, 2008 22:16:57 GMT -5
I have always had an intrest in law...I want to be a criminal prosecuter. However I am not in denial about the dp..I'm actually kind of glad Canada doesn't have one anymore because due to recent developments of "the good doctor" at sick kids hospital convicted two people one of killing his neice and the other a mother killing her daughter. If they would have gotten the dp then they would have been innocent...seems the doctor witheld information and evidence. Regardless of my position I am doing an essay on wrongful convictions, and yes it does happen and maybe even a person has been executed and innocent but I haven't found a judge who has offically admitted it. As for my issue with the DP..I don't see it as a form of revenge, I see it as a sentence that can be given out for those who comitt murder. If people continue to murder then they continue to support that punishment. Heck I'd support lwop if it actually meant life in prison..and prisoners didn't have privillages but it's not the case in some instances. I just feel that because murderers have privillages ..they get to fall in love and get married and so on..its like society is forgetting that a family had a loved one taken away from them. I don't think its fair. DP or not..there has to be some form of punishment that at least degrades a murderer. call it revenge call it whatever you like...its just my opinion. Ask yourself this: Why should society treat anyone worse than they have to in order to be safe? What religion or code of ethics justifies using the legal system to do more than to protect society from those who would abuse its rules? Once we are safe from a given person, what is reasonable about abusing them?
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jan 23, 2008 23:43:12 GMT -5
I have always had an intrest in law...I want to be a criminal prosecuter. However I am not in denial about the dp..I'm actually kind of glad Canada doesn't have one anymore because due to recent developments of "the good doctor" at sick kids hospital convicted two people one of killing his neice and the other a mother killing her daughter. If they would have gotten the dp then they would have been innocent...seems the doctor witheld information and evidence. Regardless of my position I am doing an essay on wrongful convictions, and yes it does happen and maybe even a person has been executed and innocent but I haven't found a judge who has offically admitted it. As for my issue with the DP..I don't see it as a form of revenge, I see it as a sentence that can be given out for those who comitt murder. If people continue to murder then they continue to support that punishment. Heck I'd support lwop if it actually meant life in prison..and prisoners didn't have privillages but it's not the case in some instances. I just feel that because murderers have privillages ..they get to fall in love and get married and so on..its like society is forgetting that a family had a loved one taken away from them. I don't think its fair. DP or not..there has to be some form of punishment that at least degrades a murderer. call it revenge call it whatever you like...its just my opinion. Ask yourself this: Why should society treat anyone worse than they have to in order to be safe? What religion or code of ethics justifies using the legal system to do more than to protect society from those who would abuse its rules? Once we are safe from a given person, what is reasonable about abusing them? Nothing. I don't think abusive attacks should be permitted in prisons. Prison is punishment, it's no picnic or remotely optimistic life being caged up. It is a degrading, dehumanizing existence in there, with depression inevitable for most inmates. Most prisoners live a lonely existence. Punishment- absolutely. Abuse of the inmates by staff or other inmates- uncalled for and needs to be stopped.
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Post by andie on Jan 25, 2008 17:37:48 GMT -5
I meant more miserable conditions not actual abuse. I feel that they should at least live uncomfortable till their natural time is up. Like not getting any privilliages for one. I have always had an intrest in law...I want to be a criminal prosecuter. However I am not in denial about the dp..I'm actually kind of glad Canada doesn't have one anymore because due to recent developments of "the good doctor" at sick kids hospital convicted two people one of killing his neice and the other a mother killing her daughter. If they would have gotten the dp then they would have been innocent...seems the doctor witheld information and evidence. Regardless of my position I am doing an essay on wrongful convictions, and yes it does happen and maybe even a person has been executed and innocent but I haven't found a judge who has offically admitted it. As for my issue with the DP..I don't see it as a form of revenge, I see it as a sentence that can be given out for those who comitt murder. If people continue to murder then they continue to support that punishment. Heck I'd support lwop if it actually meant life in prison..and prisoners didn't have privillages but it's not the case in some instances. I just feel that because murderers have privillages ..they get to fall in love and get married and so on..its like society is forgetting that a family had a loved one taken away from them. I don't think its fair. DP or not..there has to be some form of punishment that at least degrades a murderer. call it revenge call it whatever you like...its just my opinion. Ask yourself this: Why should society treat anyone worse than they have to in order to be safe? What religion or code of ethics justifies using the legal system to do more than to protect society from those who would abuse its rules? Once we are safe from a given person, what is reasonable about abusing them?
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Post by happyhaddock on Jan 25, 2008 18:10:52 GMT -5
I meant more miserable conditions not actual abuse. I feel that they should at least live uncomfortable till their natural time is up. Like not getting any privilliages for one. WWJD?
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Post by andie on Jan 25, 2008 20:02:42 GMT -5
Jesus would send them to hell.... I meant more miserable conditions not actual abuse. I feel that they should at least live uncomfortable till their natural time is up. Like not getting any privilliages for one. WWJD?
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Post by happyhaddock on Jan 27, 2008 14:31:21 GMT -5
Jesus would send them to hell.... Really? You must mean a different Jesus.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jan 27, 2008 16:24:15 GMT -5
Jesus would send them to hell.... Or he'd forgive their sins, if they were truly sorry, suffered their penance in prison, and asked him whole heartedly for forgiveness.
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Post by andie on Jan 28, 2008 11:47:22 GMT -5
Though shall not kill....
yeah I'm pretty sure the murderers are truly sorry...i mean it must be hell living in prison and really sorry for what they did when they constantly hear the victim they killed pleading for their lives.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jan 28, 2008 12:22:25 GMT -5
Though shall not kill.... yeah I'm pretty sure the murderers are truly sorry...i mean it must be hell living in prison and really sorry for what they did when they constantly hear the victim they killed pleading for their lives. Thou shall not steal........ but is everyone who has going to hell? Thou shall not commit adultry.......- but is everyone who has going to hell? That's not up to us to decide. As far as murderers go, they can't all be clamped into one category. Some do redeem themselves in prison. I believe Karla Faye Tucker, (who was executed in Texas) did change while in prison, became a Christian, and really felt absolute guilt and remorse for what she did. For other criminals who've committed heinous crimes with no remorse or suffering, hopefully there is a nice place in hell for them. ESPECIALLY for those who've gotten away with murder and are still walking around living a happy life- well, I'm a firm believer in the saying "What goes around comes around."
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Post by poseidon on Jan 29, 2008 22:42:31 GMT -5
The question of everyone being innocent really depends on what country you are referring. For instance, if you were a citizen of France, where the premise of guilt is on the average citizen, you would have to prove your innocence to a magistrate wearing a red robe.
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