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Post by andie on Jan 17, 2008 21:41:27 GMT -5
here's a thought...maybe there wouldn't be a dp if people didn't kill each other...
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Post by happyhaddock on Jan 19, 2008 11:58:19 GMT -5
here's a thought...maybe there wouldn't be a dp if people didn't kill each other... We don't rape rapists. We don't rob robbers. We don't drug drug addicts. Why kill killers? Can you show it isn't just a desire for bloody revenge and a cheap out for politicians? |
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Post by andie on Jan 19, 2008 12:17:14 GMT -5
well rumor has it that they get raped in prison..and in Canada rapists are targeted by other prisoners...go figure (my teacher said this don't know if its 100% true or not) also we can't rob a robber because they don't have anything to take...otherwise they wouldn't be stealing now would they? The only thing a murderer has is his or her life...and once they take away someone elses...they take away their own...but again they knew the laws before they went and killed someone. Not my problem I support a system where idiots kill people then cry when its time for them to recieve their punishment. Can you honestly not say that murderers choose their own fate...that they put themselves in their current position? here's a thought...maybe there wouldn't be a dp if people didn't kill each other... We don't rape rapists. We don't rob robbers. We don't drug drug addicts. Why kill killers? Can you show it isn't just a desire for bloody revenge and a cheap out for politicians? |
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Post by happyhaddock on Jan 19, 2008 17:09:53 GMT -5
well rumor has it that they get raped in prison..and in Canada rapists are targeted by other prisoners...go figure (my teacher said this don't know if its 100% true or not) also we can't rob a robber because they don't have anything to take...otherwise they wouldn't be stealing now would they? The only thing a murderer has is his or her life...and once they take away someone elses...they take away their own...but again they knew the laws before they went and killed someone. Not my problem I support a system where idiots kill people then cry when its time for them to recieve their punishment. Can you honestly not say that murderers choose their own fate...that they put themselves in their current position? You seem to be laboring under the delusion that everything is fine with the US justice system. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is a disaster of biblical proportions, replete with bias and error. The number of people released because they were factually innocent is more than sufficient proof of that, however the 'system' goes merrily along because too many people profit from it as it is. |
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Post by andie on Jan 19, 2008 19:44:48 GMT -5
no, your right, even Canada has its fair share of innocent people in prison. However this is a fact: people kill people and another fact is: the dp can be used as a form of punishment now if people would just make the right decisions in life i.e. not murdering anyone then there wouldn't be a need for the dp. Also, there hasn't been one person who recieved the dp....and if there was find me the exact date, which state, which inmate and which judge varified that an innocent person was executed. I imagine it would be quite difficult. well rumor has it that they get raped in prison..and in Canada rapists are targeted by other prisoners...go figure (my teacher said this don't know if its 100% true or not) also we can't rob a robber because they don't have anything to take...otherwise they wouldn't be stealing now would they? The only thing a murderer has is his or her life...and once they take away someone elses...they take away their own...but again they knew the laws before they went and killed someone. Not my problem I support a system where idiots kill people then cry when its time for them to recieve their punishment. Can you honestly not say that murderers choose their own fate...that they put themselves in their current position? You seem to be laboring under the delusion that everything is fine with the US justice system. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is a disaster of biblical proportions, replete with bias and error. The number of people released because they were factually innocent is more than sufficient proof of that, however the 'system' goes merrily along because too many people profit from it as it is. |
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jan 19, 2008 22:06:58 GMT -5
no, your right, even Canada has its fair share of innocent people in prison. However this is a fact: people kill people and another fact is: the dp can be used as a form of punishment now if people would just make the right decisions in life i.e. not murdering anyone then there wouldn't be a need for the dp. Also, there hasn't been one person who recieved the dp....and if there was find me the exact date, which state, which inmate and which judge varified that an innocent person was executed. I imagine it would be quite difficult. [/quote] Your right Andie, people shouldn't kill. They should make the "right decision." However, myself and most others I know would never be contemplating such a bizarre decision. Because it wouldn't and isn't a thought or decision in the average persons mind. Those who kill are a rare breed of insane, cold, calculating or very sick people. No one has the right to take it into their own hands to kill another human being. It's not a decision anyone I know will be faced with making. Those who do kill need to be locked up. Killing them is useless. What's the point? To show we as a society are as hateful and revengful as killers themselves. Let's have a little more humanity than that. Let's make the "right decision". As far as you thinking that no innocent person has ever been executed, you are very wrong. It has happened. Probably more times than we even know about. You asked to have proof provided to you about an innocent person being executed, so I found a link for you about an arson case where an innocent person was executed. Yes Andie, it does happen... We live in an imperfect world with an imperfect justice system, and that's just life. www.nytimes.com/2006/05/03/us/03execute.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin |
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Post by andie on Jan 20, 2008 11:30:05 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair that murderers get privillages. What's the point of punishing them if they get to have penpals, get married have visitors and so on when the real victim never got to marry or left a family behind? I do not think that is a fair trade for killing someone. if lwop really meant lwop and the prisoners lives were miserable then that would be fair...... but like you said the justice system isn't fair. It favours the scum and not the victims. as for the article...did a judge find that person to be innocent or was it faulty evidence and still under investigation. no, your right, even Canada has its fair share of innocent people in prison. However this is a fact: people kill people and another fact is: the dp can be used as a form of punishment now if people would just make the right decisions in life i.e. not murdering anyone then there wouldn't be a need for the dp. Also, there hasn't been one person who recieved the dp....and if there was find me the exact date, which state, which inmate and which judge varified that an innocent person was executed. I imagine it would be quite difficult. Your right Andie, people shouldn't kill. They should make the "right decision." However, myself and most others I know would never be contemplating such a bizarre decision. Because it wouldn't and isn't a thought or decision in the average persons mind. Those who kill are a rare breed of insane, cold, calculating or very sick people. No one has the right to take it into their own hands to kill another human being. It's not a decision anyone I know will be faced with making. Those who do kill need to be locked up. Killing them is useless. What's the point? To show we as a society are as hateful and revengful as killers themselves. Let's have a little more humanity than that. Let's make the "right decision". As far as you thinking that no innocent person has ever been executed, you are very wrong. It has happened. Probably more times than we even know about. You asked to have proof provided to you about an innocent person being executed, so I found a link for you about an arson case where an innocent person was executed. Yes Andie, it does happen... We live in an imperfect world with an imperfect justice system, and that's just life. www.nytimes.com/2006/05/03/us/03execute.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin[/quote] |
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Post by andie on Jan 20, 2008 14:14:41 GMT -5
This man did not even make an attempt to save his kids...only his car and the only remorse he had was his dart board burning I don't think it's fair that murderers get privillages. What's the point of punishing them if they get to have penpals, get married have visitors and so on when the real victim never got to marry or left a family behind? I do not think that is a fair trade for killing someone. if lwop really meant lwop and the prisoners lives were miserable then that would be fair...... but like you said the justice system isn't fair. It favours the scum and not the victims. as for the article...did a judge find that person to be innocent or was it faulty evidence and still under investigation. Your right Andie, people shouldn't kill. They should make the "right decision." However, myself and most others I know would never be contemplating such a bizarre decision. Because it wouldn't and isn't a thought or decision in the average persons mind. Those who kill are a rare breed of insane, cold, calculating or very sick people. No one has the right to take it into their own hands to kill another human being. It's not a decision anyone I know will be faced with making. Those who do kill need to be locked up. Killing them is useless. What's the point? To show we as a society are as hateful and revengful as killers themselves. Let's have a little more humanity than that. Let's make the "right decision". As far as you thinking that no innocent person has ever been executed, you are very wrong. It has happened. Probably more times than we even know about. You asked to have proof provided to you about an innocent person being executed, so I found a link for you about an arson case where an innocent person was executed. Yes Andie, it does happen... We live in an imperfect world with an imperfect justice system, and that's just life. www.nytimes.com/2006/05/03/us/03execute.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin[/quote] |
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Post by happyhaddock on Jan 20, 2008 21:10:16 GMT -5
no, your right, even Canada has its fair share of innocent people in prison. However this is a fact: people kill people and another fact is: the dp can be used as a form of punishment now if people would just make the right decisions in life i.e. not murdering anyone then there wouldn't be a need for the dp. Also, there hasn't been one person who recieved the dp....and if there was find me the exact date, which state, which inmate and which judge varified that an innocent person was executed. I imagine it would be quite difficult. Actually, no. People have been executed wrongly in the USA. See Why Massachusetts has no death penalty as an example. Further more, if murder stopped there would be many who would want it applied to other crimes. Their blood lust knows no bounds. |
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jan 20, 2008 22:27:47 GMT -5
This man did not even make an attempt to save his kids...only his car and the only remorse he had was his dart board burning [/quote][/quote] Really, where in the world are you getting your information from? Did you not read the whole article? Nothing in it said anything about him not trying to save his kids, or about dart boards. How would you know how he was feeling? Are you in that much of denial that mistakes have been made and that innocent people have been executed? It may not happen daily, weekly, monthly or yearly, but it has happened. Look at the few who have been released from death row after being found innocent years later. Is it ok for him to have been executed considering the other guy on DR was later found innocent in the same TYPE of arson scenario? What do you think of the other arson case the article talks about, where the other innocent guy on death row was released? Should he have been executed as well? If the system never makes mistakes, why was that mistake made? It is not ok to execute the innocent, or the potentially innocent person, sorry. |
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Post by andie on Jan 21, 2008 12:37:02 GMT -5
Actually your wrong...the DP is only for murder...no blood lust...but maybe this blood lust thing applies to murderers...since you know they kill in cold blood. no, your right, even Canada has its fair share of innocent people in prison. However this is a fact: people kill people and another fact is: the dp can be used as a form of punishment now if people would just make the right decisions in life i.e. not murdering anyone then there wouldn't be a need for the dp. Also, there hasn't been one person who recieved the dp....and if there was find me the exact date, which state, which inmate and which judge varified that an innocent person was executed. I imagine it would be quite difficult. Actually, no. People have been executed wrongly in the USA. See Why Massachusetts has no death penalty as an example. Further more, if murder stopped there would be many who would want it applied to other crimes. Their blood lust knows no bounds. |
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Post by andie on Jan 21, 2008 12:39:18 GMT -5
www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/willingham899.htm this is another article... This man did not even make an attempt to save his kids...only his car and the only remorse he had was his dart board burning [/quote] Really, where in the world are you getting your information from? Did you not read the whole article? Nothing in it said anything about him not trying to save his kids, or about dart boards. How would you know how he was feeling? Are you in that much of denial that mistakes have been made and that innocent people have been executed? It may not happen daily, weekly, monthly or yearly, but it has happened. Look at the few who have been released from death row after being found innocent years later. Is it ok for him to have been executed considering the other guy on DR was later found innocent in the same TYPE of arson scenario? What do you think of the other arson case the article talks about, where the other innocent guy on death row was released? Should he have been executed as well? If the system never makes mistakes, why was that mistake made? It is not ok to execute the innocent, or the potentially innocent person, sorry. [/quote]
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Post by mrsramirez on Jan 22, 2008 17:01:33 GMT -5
Really, where in the world are you getting your information from? Did you not read the whole article? Nothing in it said anything about him not trying to save his kids, or about dart boards. How would you know how he was feeling? Are you in that much of denial that mistakes have been made and that innocent people have been executed? It may not happen daily, weekly, monthly or yearly, but it has happened. Look at the few who have been released from death row after being found innocent years later. Is it ok for him to have been executed considering the other guy on DR was later found innocent in the same TYPE of arson scenario? What do you think of the other arson case the article talks about, where the other innocent guy on death row was released? Should he have been executed as well? If the system never makes mistakes, why was that mistake made? It is not ok to execute the innocent, or the potentially innocent person, sorry. [/quote][/quote] Ah shut it kid. |
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jan 22, 2008 17:17:27 GMT -5
Really, where in the world are you getting your information from? Did you not read the whole article? Nothing in it said anything about him not trying to save his kids, or about dart boards. How would you know how he was feeling? Are you in that much of denial that mistakes have been made and that innocent people have been executed? It may not happen daily, weekly, monthly or yearly, but it has happened. Look at the few who have been released from death row after being found innocent years later. Is it ok for him to have been executed considering the other guy on DR was later found innocent in the same TYPE of arson scenario? What do you think of the other arson case the article talks about, where the other innocent guy on death row was released? Should he have been executed as well? If the system never makes mistakes, why was that mistake made? It is not ok to execute the innocent, or the potentially innocent person, sorry. [/quote] Ah shut it kid.[/quote] LOL! Thanks Mrs. Ramirez! |
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Post by andie on Jan 22, 2008 17:21:59 GMT -5
Wow two compliments...nice..... You know when having a debate about something and then making fun of them is a logical falliace...also it shows who has the weaker argument because you can't say anything so you refer to name calling. Nice. Really, where in the world are you getting your information from? Did you not read the whole article? Nothing in it said anything about him not trying to save his kids, or about dart boards. How would you know how he was feeling? Are you in that much of denial that mistakes have been made and that innocent people have been executed? It may not happen daily, weekly, monthly or yearly, but it has happened. Look at the few who have been released from death row after being found innocent years later. Is it ok for him to have been executed considering the other guy on DR was later found innocent in the same TYPE of arson scenario? What do you think of the other arson case the article talks about, where the other innocent guy on death row was released? Should he have been executed as well? If the system never makes mistakes, why was that mistake made? It is not ok to execute the innocent, or the potentially innocent person, sorry. [/quote] Ah shut it kid.[/quote] |
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