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Post by ela on Jun 28, 2005 12:55:49 GMT -5
Well... just to be sure... my apologies anyway.. I am not even that kind of person to react the way I did react....even if I feel offended... i was really on a bad day that day.... and of course I took that word bad way.... I realized later when cookie told me, that he had edited his post.... It was becouse I had asked personally to that person to avoid using that term... it looked like he was intentionally doing it to upset someone... but all is good.... We should ingore sometimes I know... and I usually try to... but it's not always possible; we are human beings....
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Post by lostlove84 on Jun 28, 2005 14:16:11 GMT -5
censorship? I guess it would be. But this being an Anti forum, Mothers, Fathers, Children and Spouses of Death Row inmates prefer not to hear those terms. Attacking and accusing the families of the inmates of not caring about the victims isn't fair either. Being a family and/or friend of a death row inmate is emotional straining as it is without the assumptions that we don't care about the victims family. I am a girlfriend of a murder victim, plus friends of 2 murder victims and my great granddad was a deputy sheriff shot in the line of duty, so.......I'm sure I'm not the only friend of death row inmates who's a victim's family/friend also. I did not make an assumption when I made the statement about families of DR inmates not caring about what the victims family thinks but read it in another thread where someone made this comment,which in my opinion is wrong.I am not saying ,by any means , all inmate families are like this but when one person makes statements like that ,it makes the rest of us ,who have a loved one on DR look bad.We already have enough problems with loving someone on DR without feeding into all those who already have bad opinions about us. People do read these post because it is a public area. I feel we need to care for everyone involved , the inmate ,their family ,victims and the victims family and not only be focused on one part of it without seeing the other side of the issue. I think it is important for both sides to try and understand the other sides position. I have watched a very dear friend who lost his daughter to a vicious murder/rape, go from a productive member of society ,to living inside a bottle of booze and his life is still much the same, 13 yrs after her murder. I was in no way attacking anyone but trying to understand why it is ok for some post to stay but others have to go . It seems to me that antis can just about say just about anything they want on here and it is fine but the pro's who come on herethey have to walk around like they are on egg shells .I understand this is an anti death penalty site but I have to admit most of the pros have been somewhat respectful on here and those who haven't ,is gone. I am an ANTI and I find myself walking around here on egg shells too and that is kind of sad. If a pro makes a comment to something an anti said, then it is called attacking but if an anti does the same thing ,it is called debate. I think we are suffering from a bit of a double standard here ,which is not fair. I thought this was why the debate section was made ,to debate the issues and to keep the more heated posts in this area. I understand that loved ones of DR inmates come in here because I happen to have a loved one sitting on DR . I would prefer not coming in here and hearing those terms either but it is a fact of life.I wouldn't want to come on here and find my loved ones name used in an attacking post but I am adult enough to know that can happen because ,after all this is the internet. {That's why I choose not to post any direct info about my loved one on a public forum} I have dealt with this for a lot of years , I have lost a few friends and family over my CHOISE to love someone on DR but when I went into this ,I went in with my eyes wide open,knowing full well what to expect. Most of my friends and family ,at least, made the effort to understand why I feel the way I do and love and respect me anyway, even though they disagree. I know one day ,my loved one could be executed , we live with that death clock ticking over our head every day but we focus on our time together and not on that but it always is in the back of our minds.I know I may one day watch them execute the person I love but I am a realist and know we do not live in a perfect world. I feel folks should have the right to express an opinion ,regardless of their stand , in the debate section without every word being censored. Thank you MustangSally, I could not have put this better myself. And not to far from what I said in a post that was deleted. I do have respect for this board and its members thats why I would NEVER try to hurt anyone on purpose. I do know that with me being a pro that no matter how hard I try not to that I am going to hurt someone or make someone mad on this page as it is an anti page but the only thing I can do is try to keep it from being to personal. I am not a hateful person or mean. But just like you are anti I am pro and that is not going to change but I would like to understand your feelings on the DP and to know why you do what you do. But I cant do that if you dont let me give my side of the DP as well. I have many wonderful friends that are anti and we respect eachother no matter that we have diffrent views on this very deep issue, but we let eachother have our views its called give and take. You have to give in order to take. Do you understand what I mean?
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Post by mustangsally on Jun 28, 2005 14:53:40 GMT -5
I totally understand what you mean Lostlove . I never got to read your post since it was deleted ,but isn't interesting that although we are on other sides of the issue, how an anti and a pro can make a simular post . I have always tried to see every angle of an issue and can respect both sides even though I may not agree.
Hmm yours got deleted .......wonder if mine will?
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Post by CCADP on Jun 28, 2005 15:16:23 GMT -5
Can we drop this guys? I think Lostlove is ok with us on this issue; I HOPE she knows we weren't trying to pick on her; she is actually respected and well liked here whether she knows it or not. I think I read the message and didn't find it offensive...but I do trust Cookie's judgement; maybe it was part of a conversation she was erasing ? I don't know, but lets move on. We're sure not trying to silence Shawni here. Hers is a voice we need to hear and I think she has always been respectful and mindful of who she may be speaking to here....
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Post by mustangsally on Jun 28, 2005 16:01:22 GMT -5
Can we drop this guys? I think Lostlove is ok with us on this issue; I HOPE she knows we weren't trying to pick on her; she is actually respected and well liked here whether she knows it or not. I think I read the message and didn't find it offensive...but I do trust Cookie's judgement; maybe it was part of a conversation she was erasing ? I don't know, but lets move on. We're sure not trying to silence Shawni here. Hers is a voice we need to hear and I think she has always been respectful and mindful of who she may be speaking to here.... I wasn't speaking of LostLove when I made my post but of deletions in general.I feel it is censorship when only certain post get deleted and others don't .That is why I asked the question, what is the criteria for post getting deleted when it is ok for one to say something offensive and the post stays but someone else said something that can also be considered offensive and their post is gone. If I addressed Lostlove's issues in this post I didn't do it intentionally because I actually never seen her post. Wasn't trying to start an arguement but I am just curious because there seems to be a double standard around here.
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 28, 2005 17:28:47 GMT -5
I don't read all posts plus I'm dyslexic so I tend to miss things or sometimes I may not get the point because if it so I move on usually unless I wanna give myself a headache with it.....Thank God for Cliff Notes.......
It was a childish anti against pro against anti fight. I deleted both anti's and pro's posts including my own.
All of this is childish too.
Keeping up childish bickering that has nothing to do with debating the death penalty.....i take that back....i'm anti and I'm better than you cause I don't attack, not even when I'm putting you down for your posts......no, I'm pro and I'm better because I've been attack and I'm going to keep up this and I'll get the last word crap.......
a bunch of meaningless crap.....why keep it up. That is what I deleted. the only thing being argued was "i'm not doing it, you're doing it!" Repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat.....keep the fight going...........
I don't think so. And I will delete more ignorant "I'm better than you because I'm a pro or anti and you do this and you do that posts"
If I read them.
If you have an issue with a particular thread or post, pm me the link...
And I've already posted Tracy's clarification that states BOTH pros and antis should be respectful.....Do you need a reminder again?
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Post by lostlove84 on Jun 28, 2005 19:30:19 GMT -5
I don't read all posts plus I'm dyslexic so I tend to miss things or sometimes I may not get the point because if it so I move on usually unless I wanna give myself a headache with it.....Thank God for Cliff Notes....... It was a childish anti against pro against anti fight. I deleted both anti's and pro's posts including my own. All of this is childish too. Keeping up childish bickering that has nothing to do with debating the death penalty.....i take that back....i'm anti and I'm better than you cause I don't attack, not even when I'm putting you down for your posts......no, I'm pro and I'm better because I've been attack and I'm going to keep up this and I'll get the last word crap....... a bunch of meaningless crap.....why keep it up. That is what I deleted. the only thing being argued was "i'm not doing it, you're doing it!" Repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat.....keep the fight going........... I don't think so. And I will delete more ignorant "I'm better than you because I'm a pro or anti and you do this and you do that posts" If I read them. If you have an issue with a particular thread or post, pm me the link... And I've already posted Tracy's clarification that states BOTH pros and antis should be respectful.....Do you need a reminder again? You know thats fine, take off what you wont. But I will say whats on my mind. And one more thing why would you call a post that had a lot of thought behind it, that was not rud or disrespectful to any one person and had many very good points to be in your words "childish" or "crap"? Do you find these comparisons proper or fair.
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 28, 2005 19:38:35 GMT -5
A lot of thought to be disrespectful and I deleted it.
I wish I remembered the anti's name.....I think if you're griping at me like you are for deleting your post and the anti should be given the same priv. Next time, I'll take yours and hers down and leave mine up? or how 'bout I leave hers and delete yours? Or would you have liked it better if I left yours up and not hers?
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Post by CCADP on Jun 28, 2005 19:43:02 GMT -5
Can't we all just get ALONG ? (said in a whiny voice!)
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Post by lostlove84 on Jun 28, 2005 20:05:22 GMT -5
A lot of thought to be disrespectful and I deleted it. I wish I remembered the anti's name.....I think if you're griping at me like you are for deleting your post and the anti should be given the same priv. Next time, I'll take yours and hers down and leave mine up? or how 'bout I leave hers and delete yours? Or would you have liked it better if I left yours up and not hers? Now now such personal emotions from a moderator, and all I did was ask you a simple question and you got personal. Hmmmmm
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 28, 2005 20:18:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry Shawni. You can pinch me next time you come to Sherman, TX.
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Post by lostlove84 on Jun 28, 2005 20:33:54 GMT -5
I'm sorry Shawni. You can pinch me next time you come to Sherman, TX. No need for pinching cookie. But Ill accept your apology. ;D
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 29, 2005 7:14:04 GMT -5
NO NO!!!! I want you to pinch me! Your going to make me cry Shawni :~(
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