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Post by attitude on Jan 16, 2006 23:27:15 GMT -5
There is a book about how the families of four of Australia's worst murders dealt with the system. It makes for compelling reading The Book is called Little Girls Lost, cannot remember the author. It is unique in the true crime genre becuase it focuses on the experience of the MVS Out of the Four defendants of these murderers 2 got LWOP 1 got life with a minimum term of 35 years 1 was sentenced to life and paroled after 25 years 2 Of the girls were friends and murdered in the same incident.... The victims names are Nichole Collins Lauren Barry (These girls were friends) Abducted late night while they were walking on an isolated bush track. They were abducted by to habitual criminals who had been bailed by the courts an unbelievable amount of times Ebony Simpson, 9 year old girl abducted from a bus stop after school Nicole Hanns - 5 year old who was stabbed repeatedly in her bed. The offender wanted to rape her brother Anna, Some people just like their privacy in their grief, even if it were for a murdered child I understand your point Sally and respect the right of MVSs to withdraw into their privacy. The reason however that we have a "Megan's Law" and are about to enacted "Dru's Law" is because the MVSs went public and did everything they could to prevent future tragedies, like what they experienced, from reoccuring. Truly a super human and heroic accomplishment. So many MVSs are mocked by mean spirited people when they go public. Even their online website memorials are bombarded with cyber attacks by the "evil minded". The parents of Murdered Children www.pomc.com can verify this. |
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Post by nessynou on Jan 17, 2006 1:50:57 GMT -5
I have read that book also. It is a very emotional book.
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Post by janet on Jan 17, 2006 16:28:04 GMT -5
Anna, your insensitivity is truly astounding. It reminds me of television reporters in a bottom feeding frenzy to be the first to obtain photographs and comments from newly bereaved victim's families.
It is intrusive and disgusting.
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Post by kathy on Jan 17, 2006 22:54:08 GMT -5
10 Gold Stars for Janet!!
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Post by anna on Jan 18, 2006 17:22:10 GMT -5
Anna, your insensitivity is truly astounding. It reminds me of television reporters in a bottom feeding frenzy to be the first to obtain photographs and comments from newly bereaved victim's families. It is intrusive and disgusting. I can assure you that all the MVSs, whose loved ones i remember and honor approve of me keeping the memories of their loved ones present with us. I don't like to spend too much time discussing the horrible tragedies that took them from us, but if that's neccesary to keep the murderers, who killed them locked up, then it's a sad neccesity at times. I like to portray these lost loved ones as the positive loving people they were and are. These wonderful people were much much more than simply "murder victims". The MVSs who choose to withdraw the memories of their loved ones from public awareness are not criticized by me and i don't pressure them to think otherwise.. |
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Post by kathy on Jan 18, 2006 18:26:46 GMT -5
Anna, You are far more dense than any forest I have seen!!
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Post by skyloom on Jan 19, 2006 10:16:52 GMT -5
Anna, You are far more dense than any forest I have seen!! Well, Kathy, my way is to keep personal grief just that... personal. Still, after reading the "Dignity Denied" report at the MVFR site, I realize that these families are manipulated by prosecutors offices in order to elicit their cooperation with the goals of the prosecutors. The state Victim Advocacy offices are apparently not interested in doing what the families feel they need done as they are in having families do what the prosecutors feel needs to be done. I'd not be too critical of the families who are pleased with and flattered by Anna's attention. In a way, they are victims of the most venal sort of abuse. But I tend to agree with you. Whenever someone dies, the people whose lives they touched will always remember them, the time they spent together and the life lessons they learned from the person who has died. It does make one wonder why Anna apparently has no one in her own life to admire or to remember fondly, so that she has to borrow someone from total strangers. Perhaps Anna fails to appreciate those whose lives have touched her own for whatever quiet but powerful lessons are or were characterized in their lives. Too bad, IMO, to only see value in the lives of those strangers who were murder victims. Are we to assume that there are some murder victims who are not "much more than simply murder victims"? A strange fascination it is indeed! |
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Post by oneofthepursleys on Jan 19, 2006 13:20:18 GMT -5
I know that pros have the American right to their opinion as we antis do. I do truly respect that, just because of that reason, only. I just wish that some of the people that remain so cruel and so out-spoken toward the inmates, would try to remember that we ALL belong to God and that ALL things said and done are not always right. Everyone of the accused have family too. They too suffer a lose just as barbaric as the crimes that are accused of. Our pain is so real and to tell you the truth sudden death is sometimes easier to deal with than pre-mediated murder. I find pros to be unwilling to compromise
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Post by sclcookie on Jan 19, 2006 13:57:09 GMT -5
I know that pros have the American right to their opinion as we antis do. I do truly respect that, just because of that reason, only. I just wish that some of the people that remain so cruel and so out-spoken toward the inmates, would try to remember that we ALL belong to God and that ALL things said and done are not always right. Everyone of the accused have family too. They too suffer a lose just as barbaric as the crimes that are accused of. Our pain is so real and to tell you the truth sudden death is sometimes easier to deal with than pre-mediated murder. I find pros to be unwilling to compromise and listen to anything we may have to say; unlike the antis here, that actually have compassion for all involved. Very well put. hugggz, Suzanne |
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Post by anna on Jan 20, 2006 11:32:59 GMT -5
Anna, You are far more dense than any forest I have seen!! Well, Kathy, my way is to keep personal grief just that... personal. Still, after reading the "Dignity Denied" report at the MVFR site, I realize that these families are manipulated by prosecutors offices in order to elicit their cooperation with the goals of the prosecutors. The state Victim Advocacy offices are apparently not interested in doing what the families feel they need done as they are in having families do what the prosecutors feel needs to be done. I'd not be too critical of the families who are pleased with and flattered by Anna's attention. In a way, they are victims of the most venal sort of abuse. But I tend to agree with you. Whenever someone dies, the people whose lives they touched will always remember them, the time they spent together and the life lessons they learned from the person who has died. It does make one wonder why Anna apparently has no one in her own life to admire or to remember fondly, so that she has to borrow someone from total strangers. Perhaps Anna fails to appreciate those whose lives have touched her own for whatever quiet but powerful lessons are or were characterized in their lives. Too bad, IMO, to only see value in the lives of those strangers who were murder victims. Are we to assume that there are some murder victims who are not "much more than simply murder victims"? A strange fascination it is indeed! I notice some of you memoralise or remind us in some way of the DR inmates and i generally don't have much to say about this.. Some of these DR inmates have been disowned by their own families too and your initiatives are probably against the will of these families.. My focus of attention is always the victims..I may support the anti position on a few cases and support you there.. As far as the murderers of the people i honor go..they make Tookie and Mr. Cartwright-assuming Took, and RC are guilty as charged-look like altar boys by comparison.. Dru, Jeanna and so many others taken from us in such a cruel and horrible manner had a lot to offer this world..Dru and Jeanna were bighearted people who loved others-even those who didn't fit in and were teased by many..Dru and Jeanna were never cruel like some young people can be--i can't help but to believe that there truly is evil in this world which targets those who are truly good..it's the only explanation for this horrible cruelty which makes sense to me..  |
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Post by attitude on Jan 23, 2006 2:59:06 GMT -5
i don't think that anyone should be hassling Anna, for wanting to tell the story of any murder victim...
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Post by zamboman on Feb 6, 2006 7:44:24 GMT -5
May be we can solve the problem by changing the terminology of the death sentance and LWOP
to .... being sentanced " to the term of his natural life" Life in prison is as good as a death sentance as freedom will never be experiance and normal human life simplicities and luxuries are just a thing of the past.
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Post by sclcookie on Feb 8, 2006 13:12:12 GMT -5
LWOP means just that. Life without the posibility of Parole.
Life mean eligible for parole, here in texas is after 40 years. Each state varies. It's my understanding that as of this year, Life doesn't exist for Capital Murder here in Texas in return for LWOP (kinda like, we'll let LWOP exist for Capital Murder if we can take "Life" out of the picture).
I'm going to start a thread for people to post the Life sentences as defined by their state.
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Post by skyloom on Feb 9, 2006 9:45:36 GMT -5
So even the families of death row inmates are manipulated by the prosecutor's office. One does not disown a child, a brother or a sister in the natural course of events. It may be hard to put up with the person's behavior but, in the crunch, families stay together.
Remember, in Dead Man Walking, when Matt's mother mentions overhearing her son being called "that monster" when she's in the grocery store, and how she sees people looking at her?
Disowning a family member is not something that anyone does naturally. The family has enough to worry about without the neighborhood critics and the state prosecutors adding more needless worry and pain to their lives. No wonder some of them can't stand it all.
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Post by judywaits4u on Feb 9, 2006 13:10:37 GMT -5
I think that if you actually looked at the DR inmates that are estranged from their families, you will actually see that this happend a long time before they went to prison. Generally even the most evil of people retain the support of their families.
Love and hugs,
Judy
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