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Post by gill on Jan 6, 2006 11:31:27 GMT -5
I don't mean to cause offense. I don't have any close family or friends who were murdered, but I am against the death penalty nonetheless.
But could I just say, why on Earth do those people who have lost loved ones to murderers come onto debating sites, especially Anti-Death Penalty sites if they cannot bear discussions surrounding the issue? Isn't that the equivalent of walking into the lion's den?
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Post by judywaits4u on Jan 6, 2006 12:43:12 GMT -5
Isn't that the equivalent of walking into the lion's den? Well that must be preferable than going over to Charlene's site and getting abused. Love and hugs, Judy
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Post by jodysgirl on Jan 6, 2006 17:36:26 GMT -5
A few years ago, I lost a close friend to murder, and also knew the murderer very well. I saw both sides and how this affected people. I am still against the death penalty, and find it interesting to look at both sides. People who have been hurt still want to understand those who are anti.
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Post by skyloom on Jan 9, 2006 11:25:43 GMT -5
I don't mean to cause offense. I don't have any close family or friends who were murdered, but I am against the death penalty nonetheless. But could I just say, why on Earth do those people who have lost loved ones to murderers come onto debating sites, especially Anti-Death Penalty sites if they cannot bear discussions surrounding the issue? Isn't that the equivalent of walking into the lion's den? Good point, Gill. What I don't understand is why someone whose life has been changed by violence would want even more violence. Their loved one has been killed. Why would they want yet more killing?
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Post by anna on Jan 9, 2006 19:28:42 GMT -5
Dear Mo, This was probably something his friends told him on the pro scum site. Genuine MVSs will always get support here but people who pretend to be MVSs are just sick. Is it RickZwho claims he is an MVS just because he lives in New York, even though he knows nobody who was killed or injured by 9/11? Love and hugs, Judy are you suggesting that amber wasnt really a mvs? MyAmber20 posted very consistently for months at murdervictims.proboards18.com/index.cgiI'm shocked that some of you assert MyAmber20 fabricated things. I'd never call any of you liars if you refused to provide your name and address online to prove that you are an MVS. I'm a secondary MVS because a dear friend was cruelly murdered, of course this isn't comparable to losing your own child. The parents of this beautiful lady are also papal antis. They even refuse to let me have a picture of her to post online. I will not share the identity of my friend, unless i have the permission of her direct family and fine you can claim i'm making this all up... I later became involved emotionally with the search for Dru Sjodin after she was abducted and began to relive the pain which i didn't deal with after my friend was murdered. I sent donations and letters to Dru's family and they accepted me as a symbolic family member, I was so honored and although i never met Dru personally i read everything i could about her and bonded with her just like some of you bond with these prison inmates who you never met. I refused to believe that Dru was dead and tried to preserve her families slim hope that she was alive. I posted on her forum everything i could to portray her disappearance as some modern day Rumpelstilskin story. All we had to was figure it out like in the fairy tale and we could rescue Dru safe and sound. Yes Dru was alive for us and finding her alive would have been such a healing experience and i would have never in my life made a big deal out of this DP stuff. On that cold April day when Dru was found, cruelly murdered, after having been abused and tortured i broke down completely. I simply started crying everywhere in public in private, i tried to sing the songs i knew she loved and i felt her presence in an inexplicable way . Strange i never did break down like that for my friend-i can't explain why the suddenness of her murder Because there was never this hope to rescue her I still react to the Dru Sjodin tragedy much more intensely than to the cruel murder of my big hearted friend-it's irrational i guess.. Dru's family shared Dru with us and marched through endless snow covered terrain in Minnesota and North Dakota hoping against all odds to find her alive..i wasn't even in this country, but my thoughtss and my heart were fully with Dru and this wonderful family. I came to the pro dp site after finding the pro-site's thread on Dru Sjodin in a google search. I was mysteriously touched by this experience in that cold winter where Dru was missing and since Dru was and is such a sharing person i was moved to memoralise other victims of such cruel violence.. For me the victims and their families will always be my main focus! The DP or LWOP debate is truly secondary in my eyes. Just debate by comparison...
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Post by attitude on Jan 9, 2006 20:54:07 GMT -5
Anna, there are incidences of where people have gotten on here and pretended they were murder victim survivors. One example was an individual whose 2nd degree relative was actually murdered got on here and pretended her child had been killed, and carried on about how horrible it was to have her child murdered in between abusing the crap out of people. It is people like that who make members on this board a little gun shy about people who are claiming to MVS.... And I know this becuase I saw this individual claim that she was using this name on another forum.. are you suggesting that amber wasnt really a mvs? MyAmber20 posted very consistently for months at murdervictims.proboards18.com/index.cgiI'm shocked that some of you assert MyAmber20 fabricated things. I'd never call any of you liars if you refused to provide your name and address online to prove that you are an MVS. I'm a secondary MVS because a dear friend was cruelly murdered, of course this isn't comparable to losing your own child. The parents of this beautiful lady are also papal antis. They even refuse to let me have a picture of her to post online. I will not share the identity of my friend, unless i have the permission of her direct family and fine you can claim i'm making this all up... I later became involved emotionally with the search for Dru Sjodin after she was abducted and began to relive the pain which i didn't deal with after my friend was murdered. I sent donations and letters to Dru's family and they accepted me as a symbolic family member, I was so honored and although i never met Dru personally i read everything i could about her and bonded with her just like some of you bond with these prison inmates who you never met. I refused to believe that Dru was dead and tried to preserve her families slim hope that she was alive. I posted on her forum everything i could to portray her disappearance as some modern day Rumpelstilskin story. All we had to was figure it out like in the fairy tale and we could rescue Dru safe and sound. Yes Dru was alive for us and finding her alive would have been such a healing experience and i would have never in my life made a big deal out of this DP stuff. On that cold April day when Dru was found, cruelly murdered, after having been abused and tortured i broke down completely. I simply started crying everywhere in public in private, i tried to sing the songs i knew she loved and i felt her presence in an inexplicable way . Strange i never did break down like that for my friend-i can't explain why the suddenness of her murder Because there was never this hope to rescue her I still react to the Dru Sjodin tragedy much more intensely than to the cruel murder of my big hearted friend-it's irrational i guess.. Dru's family shared Dru with us and marched through endless snow covered terrain in Minnesota and North Dakota hoping against all odds to find her alive..i wasn't even in this country, but my thoughtss and my heart were fully with Dru and this wonderful family. I came to the pro dp site after finding the pro-site's thread on Dru Sjodin in a google search. I was mysteriously touched by this experience in that cold winter where Dru was missing and since Dru was and is such a sharing person i was moved to memoralise other victims of such cruel violence.. For me the victims and their families will always be my main focus! The DP or LWOP debate is truly secondary in my eyes. Just debate by comparison...
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Post by kathy on Jan 9, 2006 22:10:03 GMT -5
Anna,
What a riveting story. Have you ever thought about becoming an actress? If not you should.
You have finally shown what I have been thinking all along, you became a Pro out of hate and vengeance.
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Post by anna on Jan 10, 2006 0:20:58 GMT -5
Anna, there are incidences of where people have gotten on here and pretended they were murder victim survivors. One example was an individual whose 2nd degree relative was actually murdered got on here and pretended her child had been killed, and carried on about how horrible it was to have her child murdered in between abusing the crap out of people. It is people like that who make members on this board a little gun shy about people who are claiming to MVS.... And I know this becuase I saw this individual claim that she was using this name on another forum.. MyAmber20 posted very consistently for months at murdervictims.proboards18.com/index.cgiI'm shocked that some of you assert MyAmber20 fabricated things. I'd never call any of you liars if you refused to provide your name and address online to prove that you are an MVS. I'm a secondary MVS because a dear friend was cruelly murdered, of course this isn't comparable to losing your own child. The parents of this beautiful lady are also papal antis. They even refuse to let me have a picture of her to post online. I will not share the identity of my friend, unless i have the permission of her direct family and fine you can claim i'm making this all up... I later became involved emotionally with the search for Dru Sjodin after she was abducted and began to relive the pain which i didn't deal with after my friend was murdered. I sent donations and letters to Dru's family and they accepted me as a symbolic family member, I was so honored and although i never met Dru personally i read everything i could about her and bonded with her just like some of you bond with these prison inmates who you never met. I refused to believe that Dru was dead and tried to preserve her families slim hope that she was alive. I posted on her forum everything i could to portray her disappearance as some modern day Rumpelstilskin story. All we had to was figure it out like in the fairy tale and we could rescue Dru safe and sound. Yes Dru was alive for us and finding her alive would have been such a healing experience and i would have never in my life made a big deal out of this DP stuff. On that cold April day when Dru was found, cruelly murdered, after having been abused and tortured i broke down completely. I simply started crying everywhere in public in private, i tried to sing the songs i knew she loved and i felt her presence in an inexplicable way . Strange i never did break down like that for my friend-i can't explain why the suddenness of her murder Because there was never this hope to rescue her I still react to the Dru Sjodin tragedy much more intensely than to the cruel murder of my big hearted friend-it's irrational i guess.. Dru's family shared Dru with us and marched through endless snow covered terrain in Minnesota and North Dakota hoping against all odds to find her alive..i wasn't even in this country, but my thoughtss and my heart were fully with Dru and this wonderful family. I came to the pro dp site after finding the pro-site's thread on Dru Sjodin in a google search. I was mysteriously touched by this experience in that cold winter where Dru was missing and since Dru was and is such a sharing person i was moved to memoralise other victims of such cruel violence.. For me the victims and their families will always be my main focus! The DP or LWOP debate is truly secondary in my eyes. Just debate by comparison... Theoretically anythings possible, Sally, but i think it's best very bad taste at best to just accuse someone of being a fraud...I don't accuse you, Suzanne, Mo-Dawg or anyone here of making things up. There were some allegations of stories made by Judy, but i don't have any first hand info here so i'm not qualified to comment or speculate.
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Post by attitude on Jan 10, 2006 0:49:53 GMT -5
I am talking of my first hand experience with a fraud....I believed this person and was then disgusted when I found out this individual's true identity, and after that I have been a little mistrusting. Having never seen MyAmber before I honestly did not know what to make of her and was a little suspicous. Once burnt, twice shy. However I do agree it is impolite to out and out accuse someone of that Anna, there are incidences of where people have gotten on here and pretended they were murder victim survivors. One example was an individual whose 2nd degree relative was actually murdered got on here and pretended her child had been killed, and carried on about how horrible it was to have her child murdered in between abusing the crap out of people. It is people like that who make members on this board a little gun shy about people who are claiming to MVS.... And I know this becuase I saw this individual claim that she was using this name on another forum.. Theoretically anythings possible, Sally, but i think it's best very bad taste at best to just accuse someone of being a fraud...I don't accuse you, Suzanne, Mo-Dawg or anyone here of making things up. There were some allegations of stories made by Judy, but i don't have any first hand info here so i'm not qualified to comment or speculate.
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Post by Elaine on Jan 10, 2006 10:19:26 GMT -5
I am not one to look for controversy. I came to this board because I wanted to see what I could do to help abolish the death penalty in this country. I guess as with a lot of internet boards, this board turned into a community at some point or another, with all the traits of an actual community (people fighting etc.). I will admit that sometimes I feel a bit lost here. People don't make me feel unwelcome, so please don't think I am pointing fingers, but there is a lot going on here about 'the history'. I'm a newbie and I don't know 'the history' and I don't care. I'm here because this is the board of a Coalition Against the Death Penalty. I do not read the pro board. I don't care what people there say. Arguing with individual people isn't going to help get rid of the death penalty. If they come over here and it is worth it (by my choice) I will argue with them. Or not. Like I said: it isn't helping a danged bit in what I -personally- came here for. About MyAmber20 (to get back on topic): in light of all I just said, it won't surprise you probably that I am not one to like any unclarity, rumors, and hearsay. I don't like seeing you all rolling around on the floor whith eachother fighting over who's right or wrong. It distracts too much from what I thought we were here for - try and abolish the death penalty. If you guys (and I don't even know who I mean so please nobody feel offended) are not here for that, then maybe I came to the wrong place for me. I only spent 30 minutes on Google and got the truth about MyAmber20/Carolyn. It wasn't hard to find. Carolyn lost her daughter to violence. I understand about being gunshy etc. and maybe I am being naive (can you be naive when going on 40? You sure can . But being naive isn't neccessarily wrong. Maybe it's good to pause and think for a moment about what you want to do and if talking like this is the way to get there. My apologies if I am stepping out of line here but I felt I had to say it. I meant no offense to anyone, I am just very direct at what I am saying. I know no other way. Elaine Edited because I removed the link to the newspaper article about Amber's killing. It reveals all of her identity and that's not mine to reveal, since I understand that Carolyn didn't want to do that on here. It isn't hard to find yourself though.
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Post by Elaine on Jan 10, 2006 10:31:38 GMT -5
i dont know one way or another if she is real or fake...but bear in mind people that this is the internet..i could tell everyone i am a 40 year old man and i could get as offended as all hell and say i cannot believe that no one believes me for saying i am a 40 year old man...obviously i am not a 40 year old man..but why would anyone have any reason to believe i would be lieing? because this is the INTERNET..people can hide behind their little screen names and say things just to get a rise out of people...faking being a MVS would be a perfect ploy for some pro or even some 14 year old kid wanting to just get their sh*ts and giggles... how easy is it? "oh yeah? well tell that to my son..oh wait...you can't he was brutally murdered by a pedophile" let's see now, it isnt like anyone wants to say "stop faking" because WHAT IF they really are legit? The fakes that do this know full well we have heart enough not to immediately assume they are lieing... and that's one reason i am backing more and more away from this site...this site has way too many arguments and the same pro vs anti argument time and time again and honestly, i wouldn't be surprised if some are just highschool sophmores getting all hysterical with their friends for screwing with our heads...internet arguing is a rather pointless endeavor...and i am party to it as well, so i know i am speaking to myself... i am only in this whole death penalty fight to in my hopes help towards the abolishment and to save the life of my loved one...i value all life and arguing with everyone is not worth my time anymore... Paleone feel free to kick me for copyright infringement... I admit I didn't read all of the posts in this thread beginning to end, but I did after I posted and now I realize I basically echoed you in my post... Had me grinning anyway. Elaine
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Post by paleone on Jan 10, 2006 10:55:55 GMT -5
i dont know one way or another if she is real or fake...but bear in mind people that this is the internet..i could tell everyone i am a 40 year old man and i could get as offended as all hell and say i cannot believe that no one believes me for saying i am a 40 year old man...obviously i am not a 40 year old man..but why would anyone have any reason to believe i would be lieing? because this is the INTERNET..people can hide behind their little screen names and say things just to get a rise out of people...faking being a MVS would be a perfect ploy for some pro or even some 14 year old kid wanting to just get their sh*ts and giggles... how easy is it? "oh yeah? well tell that to my son..oh wait...you can't he was brutally murdered by a pedophile" let's see now, it isnt like anyone wants to say "stop faking" because WHAT IF they really are legit? The fakes that do this know full well we have heart enough not to immediately assume they are lieing... and that's one reason i am backing more and more away from this site...this site has way too many arguments and the same pro vs anti argument time and time again and honestly, i wouldn't be surprised if some are just highschool sophmores getting all hysterical with their friends for screwing with our heads...internet arguing is a rather pointless endeavor...and i am party to it as well, so i know i am speaking to myself... i am only in this whole death penalty fight to in my hopes help towards the abolishment and to save the life of my loved one...i value all life and arguing with everyone is not worth my time anymore... it's ok great minds think alike *grin* Paleone feel free to kick me for copyright infringement... I admit I didn't read all of the posts in this thread beginning to end, but I did after I posted and now I realize I basically echoed you in my post... Had me grinning anyway. Elaine haha copyright infringement? you didn't plagurize me *grin* honestly, i have decided to back away from this board and keep my posting to a minimum..yeah i have said it before...look at the hypocrite crying wolf *grin*..but actually right now, this is about endign what i feel is a barbaric and painful system...i am not in this to argue and gossip about who said what and why i think that so and so is right or wrong..honestly, there should be a meeting point between everyone, pros are not evil people, sure some are rabid and hateful..but so are some anti's...every group of people will have someone who will give the rest "a bad name"..some pros truly believe the system is flawless and believe people have their just punishment..but, that does nto make them horrible people...my dad has a different stance than me, and he won't even talk about it with me, he always feels like he is upsetting me...but when Robert was about to be executed he and i were talking about how i felt about him and his family and my dad said "you know, you and i have a different stance, but i am proud of you for what you are doing...i know they really need you, and i know it means a lot to them"...so while he is more pro than not, he also respects who i am and WHY i am doing it...he just "disagrees"...but he is actually coming to more of a crossroad with me, he even called me last night telling me he would be recording a special on women on death row that was on tv...he does stuff like that, he will tell me about a book or a movie that he thinks will interest me and my fight... this isn't a big fight between the pro and anti, each group thinks they are right, and each group has more vocal responders...honestly, i feel that if there was unity and love shared we'd be able to meet a that crossroad... when arguing goes on, all it does is show each side how much they feel they just proved how rabid the other side is..i have another site i do and we completley welcome pros and in fact, there is no arguing going on...we've had our share of flamers who only come to say derogitory things, but we delete those...the ones who came on with the name "francis newton is a N" (not finishing that word). obviously they wanted to hurt people and that was their only goal..but someone who truly comes to just discuss or learn is fully welcome...if this site and the pro site can just stop the gossiping for once and try to understand eachother, we'd accomplish more
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