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Post by catsan77 on Jan 6, 2006 8:47:32 GMT -5
And LWOP is 25 years!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not your entire life. *bites tongue* um......do you know WHAT LWOP means? it is LIFE WITHOUT parole... that means NO PAROLE....you are mixing the words "life" and "LWOP" LIFE is when they have 25-40 years. LWOP is exactly that. I am not trying to sound like a Bitch because i am not. but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. lol andie, think before you type
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jan 6, 2006 8:47:33 GMT -5
Some interesting points here. Philisophically, we would like to believe that our judicial system hands out justice. However, in practice it is a system of trade offs. When someone is severely injured, they will receive money to compensate them for their injury. However, the person remains injured. Similarly, if someone commits a felony, the social price is a prison term and social disapproval. However, the felony itself rarely gets fixed (i.e. the murder victim stays dead no matter what the penalty is). There is no justice in the sense that an action results in an equal reaction. In fact, the opposite is frequently true. For example, one can be convicted of murder (and indeed be on death row) even though one did not actually do the killing. In the U.S., many jurisdictions only require some act that was done in furtherance of a felony in order to be guilty of the felony itself. Texas' "law of parties" statute is one of the worst on the books, and it has resulted in executions where the offender was simply around an individual or group of people who were involved in a felony that turned deadly. Most people, when they argue that the death penalty is just punishment, believe that the person executed was responsible for the killing. However, in reality this is not always the case. great post robert .... right on the money !!!!! always Mo-DAWG
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Post by catsan77 on Jan 6, 2006 8:49:03 GMT -5
Dear Mo, The people who justify CP because it is the law, must also back the Nazi extermination of the Jews, Russians, Gay People and the Gypsies during WWII, after all it was all done according to the law of Adolf Hitler. Love and hugs, Judy how can you dare compare the holocaust and hate crimes to executing convicted murderers? You really must be kidding.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jan 6, 2006 9:02:20 GMT -5
Dear Mo, The people who justify CP because it is the law, must also back the Nazi extermination of the Jews, Russians, Gay People and the Gypsies during WWII, after all it was all done according to the law of Adolf Hitler. Love and hugs, Judy how can you dare compare the holocaust and hate crimes to executing convicted murderers? You really must be kidding. let me post a reply to your question to judy too cat (since i used to use these arguments as examples as well in some of my posts) ... its not about comparing the actions its about showing that you can call every sh*t "law" to justify what you are doing and to appearingly wipe your hands clean by simply calling inhuman acts "law" ... as i said quite often before: kidnapping africans and forcing them into slavery was covered by "law" as well once... "burning the witches" too ... bullsh*tting native americans after almost annihilating them too , apartheid too etc etc ... theres so many examples when the word "law" got perverted to justify every sh*t and crimes against humanity .... Mo-DAWG
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Post by paleone on Jan 6, 2006 9:21:42 GMT -5
in 2005 a very close and dear friend of mines in texas got off death row and into a life sentence ... he ll be ELIGIBLE for parole after 40 years ... (which does definitely NOT mean hes gonna get out then) ... Mo-DAWG right that was before texas even imposed LWOP, the LWOP just passed this summer/beginning of fall. Texas was like one of the only states to not have LWOP. My state has both life and LWOP. My best friend here has LWOP and he will never leave those walls unless he can get his sentence reduced.. and i want to clarify for everyone, especially pros...real activists do not "worship" the guys on death row...i think that is something that people would like to rationalize to themselves about why we do what we do... bringing up my friend from the previous paragraph, he is in fact guilty of his crime, 100%, nothing to question there...and he has LWOP. granted, i do nto believe he should have LWOP, maybe 40 years, but not LWOP. he was a first time offender with no violent history and was 19 years old with childhood trauma in his past...so i do not feel that the sentence was "just" but irregardless, he deserves to be in prison, and even he will tell you that... i don't worship him for what he did or anythign like that...i see him as a person, i see who he is inside, if you were to meet him or just sit with him, you'd never even know he had done anything...he is just like any of us...and when you really think about it how many people are roaming our streets who were not caught? you could be good friends with a killer and not even know...in fact, my old coworker was actually arrested for being a serial prostitute killer...i recognized his photo and when i read the article it said he used to work at my former job...he was married, had kids, i used to develop his childrens' photos at the 1 hour photo booth i worked at there...come to find out he had been a serial killer for 10 years... so the thing is, as a christian, i value ALL life...and yes, i value the victims and their families too...my friend was murdered and his killer walks free...do i hate his killer? no...but i wish he was behind bars...even the cops told me they knew he did it but they had no physical evidence and circumstancial cases are not common here like they are in texas... i used to be involved in prison ministry through church..we use to go to a local prison and have church services for the inmates...that was long before i even came near the death penalty topic... as a christian i believe that we all have the ability for repentance...and i know that my God has forgiven all who come to Him and trust in Him....i have scriptures in my signature which explain why i am who i am...i believe God loves prisoners just as much as any of us...sure it grieves God that His precious children would hurt others, but we are given free will, and once we repent of our sins, we are forgiven....God also says to love our neighbors as ourselves...and even to love our enemies...so many pros consider inmates the "enemy"..i am doing as my God has said, i love all people...i love those who have different opinion as me as well..it just really saddens me that people would hate another so much...
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Post by sclcookie on Jan 6, 2006 11:29:02 GMT -5
Oh, don't start with me about murder victims! 2 of my dear friends were murdered, a man I loved was murdered (the guy is serving a Life Sentence, not LWOP for his murder) and my great granddad was a sheriff's deputy here in Texas, killed in the line of duty. I wasn't starting with you, I just said that they may have been pleading for their life as those awaiting death row. I really don't see the point in defending someone who deserves capital punishment. My point is YOU disrespected this MVS.
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Post by sclcookie on Jan 6, 2006 11:32:30 GMT -5
*bites tongue* um......do you know WHAT LWOP means? it is LIFE WITHOUT parole... that means NO PAROLE....you are mixing the words "life" and "LWOP" LIFE is when they have 25-40 years. LWOP is exactly that. I am not trying to sound like a Bitch because i am not. but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. in 2005 a very close and dear friend of mines in texas got off death row and into a life sentence ... he ll be ELIGIBLE for parole after 40 years ... (which does definitely NOT mean hes gonna get out then) ... Mo-DAWG Exactly. When he's eligible, chances are very slim, even if he's in a Wheel Chair and blind.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jan 6, 2006 11:58:25 GMT -5
in 2005 a very close and dear friend of mines in texas got off death row and into a life sentence ... he ll be ELIGIBLE for parole after 40 years ... (which does definitely NOT mean hes gonna get out then) ... Mo-DAWG Exactly. When he's eligible, chances are very slim, even if he's in a Wheel Chair and blind. well we ll get a new lawyer and see whats gonna happen and if we can find some technicalities and f*ck the state ... theres always things we can do and the money wont be a problem .... keep your fingers crossed for us ... Mo-DAWG
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Post by andie on Jan 6, 2006 16:24:22 GMT -5
And LWOP is 25 years!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not your entire life. *bites tongue* um......do you know WHAT LWOP means? it is LIFE WITHOUT parole... that means NO PAROLE....you are mixing the words "life" and "LWOP" LIFE is when they have 25-40 years. LWOP is exactly that. I am not trying to sound like a Bitch because i am not. but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. In Canada LWOP (bites tounge) is 25 years!!! If you recieve life you can applky for parole within 10-20 years of your sentence.
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Post by andie on Jan 6, 2006 16:26:00 GMT -5
*bites tongue* um......do you know WHAT LWOP means? it is LIFE WITHOUT parole... that means NO PAROLE....you are mixing the words "life" and "LWOP" LIFE is when they have 25-40 years. LWOP is exactly that. I am not trying to sound like a Bitch because i am not. but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. lol andie, think before you type lol read the other posts before you type because I did mention that in Canada lwop is 25 years!
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Post by andie on Jan 6, 2006 16:30:23 GMT -5
and this whole thing about teaching kids that if a person killed someone its wrong to kill them--a solution to that- no one has to know they've been executed--it won't be such a big thing like televised and crap. really? so that's making a whole lot of sense...let's NOT tell the kids and youth and NOT show them that people are being executed...you know, cause we all know it's just a magical deterrant right? how is it that people want to pretend it's a deterrant when there are facts that disprove that...why is it that 16 of the 18 states above the national average for murder rates is DEATH PENALTY states? Regardless...let's just tell our kids of this big bad death penalty, you know, like how santa claus watches to see who is naughty and nice...that way, if the kids know that if they are baaaad they will get fried and people will cheer it on....but wait...don't let them know about an execution..no no no, we can't let them see the "lawful" murders... i have said i wouldn't debate, and idiot me keeps coming in...but if you are going to debate this, try thinking up some better thigns than things that cancel out your argument I didn't say the DP is a detterent....its not neither is jail because people still commit crimes.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jan 6, 2006 16:30:48 GMT -5
*bites tongue* um......do you know WHAT LWOP means? it is LIFE WITHOUT parole... that means NO PAROLE....you are mixing the words "life" and "LWOP" LIFE is when they have 25-40 years. LWOP is exactly that. I am not trying to sound like a Bitch because i am not. but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. In Canada LWOP (bites tounge) is 25 years!!! If you recieve life you can applky for parole within 10-20 years of your sentence. ...there you go .. so if you should get killed dont let the person kill you in canada or you and your sister will get bullsh*tted for your revenge fantasies ... Mo-DAWG
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Post by andie on Jan 6, 2006 16:33:41 GMT -5
deleted....disrespectful terms used You know the rules hugggz, Suzanne deleted....disrespectful terms used You know the rules hugggz, Suzanne
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jan 6, 2006 16:36:13 GMT -5
really? so that's making a whole lot of sense...let's NOT tell the kids and youth and NOT show them that people are being executed...you know, cause we all know it's just a magical deterrant right? how is it that people want to pretend it's a deterrant when there are facts that disprove that...why is it that 16 of the 18 states above the national average for murder rates is DEATH PENALTY states? Regardless...let's just tell our kids of this big bad death penalty, you know, like how santa claus watches to see who is naughty and nice...that way, if the kids know that if they are baaaad they will get fried and people will cheer it on....but wait...don't let them know about an execution..no no no, we can't let them see the "lawful" murders... i have said i wouldn't debate, and idiot me keeps coming in...but if you are going to debate this, try thinking up some better thigns than things that cancel out your argument I didn't say the DP is a detterent....its not neither is jail because people still commit crimes. yes people as such still committ crimes but those who were in jail often learned their lesson after serving their sentences ... (well DR inmates excluded ... since only Britney Spears believes in learning lessons by execution .... lol .... SPEAR BRATNEY ... sorry BRIGHTNEY .. whatever ... ) Mo-DAWG
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Post by andie on Jan 6, 2006 16:37:38 GMT -5
In Canada LWOP (bites tounge) is 25 years!!! If you recieve life you can applky for parole within 10-20 years of your sentence. ...there you go .. so if you should get killed dont let the person kill you in canada or you and your sister will get bullsh*tted for your revenge fantasies ... Mo-DAWG yet in some states if my cousin was murdered in florida that prisoner will be fried or if not get executed because in florida the DP is not a fantasy it does exist.
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