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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jan 5, 2006 19:10:10 GMT -5
I'm convinced that anyone who commits a murder does not think about the punishment at all... at least not before or at the time s/he's murdering. To wonder if they would have killed if they really expected to be caught, tried, jailed and eventually executed is, IMO, pointless because it's not ever going to happen. Of course murder victims have good hearts, or at least as good as the rest of us. So, here's a question for you. If you were murdered, would you want your killer executed? Would you want your family to feel that they had to attend the trial, the appeals, and the execution? Would you want your family to have to give a victim impact statement? What would you honestly want if it were you and your family and friends? deleted....disrespectful terms used You know the rules hugggz, Suzanne how emotionally uncontrolled ... and how fictional ... you re not even murdered yet and keep yourself busy with thoughts of revenge? ..... well each to his own ... Mo-DAWG
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Post by attitude on Jan 5, 2006 19:20:34 GMT -5
I guess you need some understanding of the terms on this board. The term Life Without Parole (LWOP) is generally taken to mean that those sentence to it will die in jail The term life generally means that the inmate is generally eligible for parole down the track... Where I come from LWOP is officially known as life. We don't have Life terms with parole eligibility but when asked about it i usually say we have LWOP LWOP is 25 years? Which state? LWOP here in Texas is LWOP. Life (correct me if I'm wrong), I believe is 40 years before you become eligible for parole here in Texas. So, who are you trying to convince? I'm from Canada and in Canada life is 25 years
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Post by andie on Jan 5, 2006 19:32:51 GMT -5
Then I have a question for you? What were the victims saying before they were killed? "Please don't kill me" like Tookie and all the other murderes who are trying to get out of losing their life. I bet if you were to ask those who murdered if they would have knowing that they may get executed if they still would have went on with the act? I don't think they would have. And if they still said yes, then its their problem. They know there was a DP..they know that it could be sentenced to them And the whole hero things. Don't you think those murder victims had good hearts and minds to or is it over looked when there about to be shot? Oh, don't start with me about murder victims! 2 of my dear friends were murdered, a man I loved was murdered (the guy is serving a Life Sentence, not LWOP for his murder) and my great granddad was a sheriff's deputy here in Texas, killed in the line of duty. I wasn't starting with you, I just said that they may have been pleading for their life as those awaiting death row. I really don't see the point in defending someone who deserves capital punishment.
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Post by andie on Jan 5, 2006 19:42:44 GMT -5
You know what I would like skyloom, to see that SOB fried! And my sister will be there trying to convince them that he does deserve to die. My sister would want justice for my murder and she would do it by attending his execution, through victim impact statements etc. how emotionally uncontrolled ... and how fictional ... you re not even murdered yet and keep yourself busy with thoughts of revenge? ..... well each to his own ... Mo-DAWG If you read the question correctly, skyloom asked what I would like if I were murdered and I told her..and its not just for me, its for anyone who had someone they loved murdered. Justice shall be done through the DP..and if you commit murder in a DP state who is the retard? The criminal is the correct answer. And it is not about revenge its Justice. But what I get from you anti's is that it is okay for a guilty person to kill an innocent person but its not okay for the state to act upon a JUDGES order to have an execution.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jan 5, 2006 19:55:05 GMT -5
how emotionally uncontrolled ... and how fictional ... you re not even murdered yet and keep yourself busy with thoughts of revenge? ..... well each to his own ... Mo-DAWG If you read the question correctly, skyloom asked what I would like if I were murdered and I told her..and its not just for me, its for anyone who had someone they loved murdered. Justice shall be done through the DP..and if you commit murder in a DP state who is the retard? The criminal is the correct answer. And it is not about revenge its Justice. But what I get from you anti's is that it is okay for a guilty person to kill an innocent person but its not okay for the state to act upon a JUDGES order to have an execution. yes i read it andie ... i was just referring to your vivid imagination ... ... well about justice and revenge i can just repeat myself here: its revenge camouflaged as justice cuz the word revenge has such a bad taste for you guys (another reason why you fight us so much when we re saying its revenge cuz you guys know its true but too revelaing for your taste)... actually you can call every sh*t justice to camouflage and justify what it really is ... people did it many times before.... the death of 6 million jews, 500.000 to 800.000 of my people (romani gypsies) and many others was law and justice, apartheid was law and justice, kidnapping black people to enslave them in the US was law and justice as well as bullsh*tting the native americans and putting them in reservations (at least those the whites didnt get killed) ... so much about being able to call every sh*t justice to take the bad taste off of it ... ....and what you got from us antis is plain wrong ... maybe you dont understand or you dont want to understand cuz it doesnt fit your stance about the dp ...NO its not right to kill a person no matter who does it .. its wrong what dr inmates did and its wrong what the state does for vengeance killings by executing people .. taking a human life is ALWAYS plain wrong ... no matter if people do it illegally or call it "legal" to justify it .... Mo-DAWG
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Post by andie on Jan 5, 2006 22:10:02 GMT -5
If you read the question correctly, skyloom asked what I would like if I were murdered and I told her..and its not just for me, its for anyone who had someone they loved murdered. Justice shall be done through the DP..and if you commit murder in a DP state who is the retard? The criminal is the correct answer. And it is not about revenge its Justice. But what I get from you anti's is that it is okay for a guilty person to kill an innocent person but its not okay for the state to act upon a JUDGES order to have an execution. yes i read it andie ... i was just referring to your vivid imagination ... ... well about justice and revenge i can just repeat myself here: its revenge camouflaged as justice cuz the word revenge has such a bad taste for you guys (another reason why you fight us so much when we re saying its revenge cuz you guys know its true but too revelaing for your taste)... actually you can call every sh*t justice to camouflage and justify what it really is ... people did it many times before.... the death of 6 million jews, 500.000 to 800.000 of my people (romani gypsies) and many others was law and justice, apartheid was law and justice, kidnapping black people to enslave them in the US was law and justice as well as bullsh*tting the native americans and putting them in reservations (at least those the whites didnt get killed) ... so much about being able to call every sh*t justice to take the bad taste off of it ... ....and what you got from us antis is plain wrong ... maybe you dont understand or you dont want to understand cuz it doesnt fit your stance about the dp ...NO its not right to kill a person no matter who does it .. its wrong what dr inmates did and its wrong what the state does for vengeance killings by executing people .. taking a human life is ALWAYS plain wrong ... no matter if people do it illegally or call it "legal" to justify it .... Mo-DAWG Back then they didn't believe in fair trials and crap like they do now...Justice is recieving a penalty given out by the courts and if the DP is given it is justice.
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Post by attitude on Jan 5, 2006 22:16:45 GMT -5
Exactly my point yes i read it andie ... i was just referring to your vivid imagination ... ... well about justice and revenge i can just repeat myself here: its revenge camouflaged as justice cuz the word revenge has such a bad taste for you guys (another reason why you fight us so much when we re saying its revenge cuz you guys know its true but too revelaing for your taste)... actually you can call every sh*t justice to camouflage and justify what it really is ... people did it many times before.... the death of 6 million jews, 500.000 to 800.000 of my people (romani gypsies) and many others was law and justice, apartheid was law and justice, kidnapping black people to enslave them in the US was law and justice as well as bullsh*tting the native americans and putting them in reservations (at least those the whites didnt get killed) ... so much about being able to call every sh*t justice to take the bad taste off of it ... ....and what you got from us antis is plain wrong ... maybe you dont understand or you dont want to understand cuz it doesnt fit your stance about the dp ...NO its not right to kill a person no matter who does it .. its wrong what dr inmates did and its wrong what the state does for vengeance killings by executing people .. taking a human life is ALWAYS plain wrong ... no matter if people do it illegally or call it "legal" to justify it .... Mo-DAWG Back then they didn't believe in fair trials and crap like they do now...Justice is recieving a penalty given out by the courts and if the DP is given it is justice.
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Post by robert on Jan 6, 2006 0:19:55 GMT -5
Some interesting points here. Philisophically, we would like to believe that our judicial system hands out justice. However, in practice it is a system of trade offs. When someone is severely injured, they will receive money to compensate them for their injury. However, the person remains injured.
Similarly, if someone commits a felony, the social price is a prison term and social disapproval. However, the felony itself rarely gets fixed (i.e. the murder victim stays dead no matter what the penalty is).
There is no justice in the sense that an action results in an equal reaction. In fact, the opposite is frequently true. For example, one can be convicted of murder (and indeed be on death row) even though one did not actually do the killing. In the U.S., many jurisdictions only require some act that was done in furtherance of a felony in order to be guilty of the felony itself. Texas' "law of parties" statute is one of the worst on the books, and it has resulted in executions where the offender was simply around an individual or group of people who were involved in a felony that turned deadly.
Most people, when they argue that the death penalty is just punishment, believe that the person executed was responsible for the killing. However, in reality this is not always the case.
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Post by sdl on Jan 6, 2006 0:38:33 GMT -5
Most people, when they argue that the death penalty is just punishment, believe that the person executed was responsible for the killing. However, in reality this is not always the case. Eddie Slovik never killed anybody. In fact, he was executed because he would NOT kill. The Rosenbergs never killed anybody either...
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jan 6, 2006 5:09:56 GMT -5
yes i read it andie ... i was just referring to your vivid imagination ... ... well about justice and revenge i can just repeat myself here: its revenge camouflaged as justice cuz the word revenge has such a bad taste for you guys (another reason why you fight us so much when we re saying its revenge cuz you guys know its true but too revelaing for your taste)... actually you can call every sh*t justice to camouflage and justify what it really is ... people did it many times before.... the death of 6 million jews, 500.000 to 800.000 of my people (romani gypsies) and many others was law and justice, apartheid was law and justice, kidnapping black people to enslave them in the US was law and justice as well as bullsh*tting the native americans and putting them in reservations (at least those the whites didnt get killed) ... so much about being able to call every sh*t justice to take the bad taste off of it ... ....and what you got from us antis is plain wrong ... maybe you dont understand or you dont want to understand cuz it doesnt fit your stance about the dp ...NO its not right to kill a person no matter who does it .. its wrong what dr inmates did and its wrong what the state does for vengeance killings by executing people .. taking a human life is ALWAYS plain wrong ... no matter if people do it illegally or call it "legal" to justify it .... Mo-DAWG Back then they didn't believe in fair trials and crap like they do now...Justice is recieving a penalty given out by the courts and if the DP is given it is justice. back then they definitely believed their trials and justice were fair .. NOW we know they werent ... same today ... they believe or at least pretend their trials and justice is fair .... quote: "justice is a penalty given out by the courts ... " yes you are right .. quote: " .... and if the dp is given it is justice" ... it is THEIR current and very most likely future view of justice ...as i already explained in my previous post on this thread ... if you have a government who backs it up you can call every sh*t "justice" just to make it look legal and to camouflage the crimes being committed under this kind of "justice" ... the killing of a human being cant ever be justified other than using pretence to wipe your hands clean with ... the thing is that too many people just blindly believe in every "law" as long as it suits their needs of vengenace etc ... the majority of people is too dumb, too uneducated or just not interested in questioning certain "laws" ... Mo-DAWG
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Post by judywaits4u on Jan 6, 2006 5:51:44 GMT -5
Dear Mo, The people who justify CP because it is the law, must also back the Nazi extermination of the Jews, Russians, Gay People and the Gypsies during WWII, after all it was all done according to the law of Adolf Hitler.
Love and hugs, Judy
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jan 6, 2006 6:59:01 GMT -5
Dear Mo, The people who justify CP because it is the law, must also back the Nazi extermination of the Jews, Russians, Gay People and the Gypsies during WWII, after all it was all done according to the law of Adolf Hitler. Love and hugs, Judy thats what i meant to say judy ... you can call every sh*t "law" as long as you find enough law-making radicals to support you ... Mo-DAWG
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Post by paleone on Jan 6, 2006 8:35:57 GMT -5
And LWOP is 25 years!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not your entire life. *bites tongue* um......do you know WHAT LWOP means? it is LIFE WITHOUT parole... that means NO PAROLE....you are mixing the words "life" and "LWOP" LIFE is when they have 25-40 years. LWOP is exactly that. I am not trying to sound like a Bitch because i am not. but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
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Post by paleone on Jan 6, 2006 8:41:42 GMT -5
and this whole thing about teaching kids that if a person killed someone its wrong to kill them--a solution to that- no one has to know they've been executed--it won't be such a big thing like televised and crap. really? so that's making a whole lot of sense...let's NOT tell the kids and youth and NOT show them that people are being executed...you know, cause we all know it's just a magical deterrant right? how is it that people want to pretend it's a deterrant when there are facts that disprove that...why is it that 16 of the 18 states above the national average for murder rates is DEATH PENALTY states? Regardless...let's just tell our kids of this big bad death penalty, you know, like how santa claus watches to see who is naughty and nice...that way, if the kids know that if they are baaaad they will get fried and people will cheer it on....but wait...don't let them know about an execution..no no no, we can't let them see the "lawful" murders... i have said i wouldn't debate, and idiot me keeps coming in...but if you are going to debate this, try thinking up some better thigns than things that cancel out your argument
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jan 6, 2006 8:46:13 GMT -5
And LWOP is 25 years!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not your entire life. *bites tongue* um......do you know WHAT LWOP means? it is LIFE WITHOUT parole... that means NO PAROLE....you are mixing the words "life" and "LWOP" LIFE is when they have 25-40 years. LWOP is exactly that. I am not trying to sound like a Bitch because i am not. but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. in 2005 a very close and dear friend of mines in texas got off death row and into a life sentence ... he ll be ELIGIBLE for parole after 40 years ... (which does definitely NOT mean hes gonna get out then) ... Mo-DAWG
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