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Post by mikebook on Jul 11, 2005 20:14:35 GMT -5
Dear All,
Another board member named Britta posted a petition about George and his upcoming August execution. I would like to debate it here instead of where she posted the infomation. I will post her materials here and then refute her points. You are all welcome to join at any time to tell me if I am wrong.
Thank you.
Friends,
As you know the State of Alabama has set August 4th as the execution date for George Sibley.
George Sibley has chosen to represent himself and identified the following issues as his talking points when requesting clemency from Governor Bob Riley:
1. The State set the execution date a day before the last date for his appeal and is thus denying him access to legal remedies. 2. He did not kill Officer Motley. 3. He was not legally complicit in killing Officer Motley.
We urge you to let your voices be heard each and every time the State of Alabama prepares to take another life. When we do not act we condone the killing, so please tell the State of Alabama that it does not kill in your name and request clemency for George Sibley.
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Post by mikebook on Jul 11, 2005 20:20:27 GMT -5
My arguement-- George has had years to make appeals, but is convienced he knows more than the lawyers he was offered in the trial phase. He and Lynda Block defended themselves using outdated laws and statutues that Alabama was not a state and that the officer drew first and that this was self defense.
Block and Sibley were on the run and the officer was ambushed by Sibley and Block shot after Sibley. It is not known who fired the fatal shot or shots. Block was executed by the electric chair a few years ago. CCADP has all the details of that and her and Sibley's beliefs and rants.
Block and Sibley did shoot the officer, were in a hostage situation and standoff, but were captured and tried and sentenced. Block was executed, now it is Sibley's turn.
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 12, 2005 7:45:57 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this here Mike. I haven't read the case so I'm not qualified to debate just yet, but when I have the time, I'll give you a debate.
hugggz, Suzanne
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Post by mikebook on Jul 12, 2005 9:30:40 GMT -5
OK..Sounds like fun...
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Post by garotte on Jul 13, 2005 8:57:27 GMT -5
What does happen with Sibley? He first refuses to sign any paper against his execution, once the limit has gone through, he requests a stay! Even if the state set it a day before, it may still be presented and eventually accepted. Is his execution date considered serious? Garotte
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Post by rain on Jul 13, 2005 10:46:19 GMT -5
This debate will be very interesting. No chance of his innocence coming into play here. He is guilty of the crime against him. I am concerned about the 1 day issue for appeal. It sounds to me, Sibley has always thought he was above the law and is playing the issues.
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Post by mikebook on Jul 13, 2005 10:52:59 GMT -5
That is one of the points I was going to use. He and Linda Block did kill the officer in the line of duty, is over 18, is not mentally handicapped, so there is very little to appeal. Plus they did not use a lawyer and insisted in being their own lawyer...Huge mistake...
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 15, 2005 9:24:07 GMT -5
I still haven't read much on this, but so far, I'm not seeing an innocense claim. I may not be able to debate you on this one Mike. Esp. with the legalities. I'm no lawyer, for sure.
hugggz, Suzanne
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Post by mikebook on Jul 15, 2005 9:40:30 GMT -5
I am not a lawyer, either. I meant debate on the points Britta listed...
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Post by Britta on Jul 15, 2005 9:48:46 GMT -5
Hey Mike, I saw that you started a discussion but you forget to mention that these talking points came from PHADP (Project Hope to Abolish the Death Penalty). Maybe you should have a look at their page to find more about the case ? www.phadp.orgBritta
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Post by mikebook on Jul 15, 2005 9:54:07 GMT -5
I looked at what CCADP posted and what "American justice" showed on a segment about women on Death Row. Linda Block was on it. If you want to debate, no problem at all about that, either.
The officer was killed by Block and Sibley. Block said she fired after Sibley started firing. We have a dead police officer and a car with lots of ammo, weapons, and people on the run. Block and Sibley were against the government and were willing to kill. They did... Sibley has had years to challenge his case. Now, justice is due...
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Post by mikebook on Jul 15, 2005 10:43:29 GMT -5
I took a look at that website. The CCADP site has far more information. You might want to read it. Also, what difference is one day going to make when he has had 13 years to fight his case. Sorry. It does not make any difference at all.
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Post by garotte on Jul 15, 2005 15:37:44 GMT -5
Do you think he has a serious execution date or a fake one? Sincerely Garotte
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Post by mikebook on Jul 15, 2005 15:49:02 GMT -5
I think they are serious about it. He has no appeals left.
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Post by garotte on Jul 15, 2005 16:23:19 GMT -5
Thank you. I thought he still had some appeals which could be accepted by the Courts if filed. Executing an involunteer death sentence of less than 15 years ago is something very unusual in Alabama state, I think. Garotte
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