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Post by mikebook on Jun 23, 2005 10:17:31 GMT -5
I mean living together, being togther, able to touch each other...Marriage...
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 23, 2005 10:18:24 GMT -5
oh, ok.....yeah, they'll be able to marry by proxy
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 23, 2005 10:24:34 GMT -5
prison ain't meant to be a vacation, that's for sure
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Post by ela on Jun 23, 2005 10:29:57 GMT -5
Again, they are doing what the MUST do: defending juveniles' rights. All the world do like that; I can't understand why USA should act differently.
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Post by freerob on Jun 23, 2005 10:30:23 GMT -5
I'm very glad these juveniles have been spared. Some on the pro boards even think it ok to murder CHILDREN with LI. I'll quote a post (I won't reveal who wrote it). "This is a tough question for me. I have previously said that 10 should be the youngest age where one can receive the DP. However, a recent case involving a 7 year old who beat his baby sister to death has made me question my belief. In any case, I think that executions of those under 13 should be as soft as possible. I would allow them to receive their injections in the pediatric unit of a hospital as opposed to being strapped to a gurney, and I would allow the executee's family to be by his side throughout the whole procedure. Either way you cut it, executing children under 10 is a tough call."
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 23, 2005 10:32:44 GMT -5
Yep, now that the juveniles have been spared, more time to help the rest on DR.
hugggz, Suzanne
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Post by mikebook on Jun 23, 2005 10:50:52 GMT -5
We can still sentence juveniles as adults...For a very long time in jail...It may not be the same as a death sentence, but spending the rest of ones life in jail is something I would not wish on anyone... However, these guys and girls commited crimes, and they deserve what they get...
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Post by freerob on Jun 23, 2005 10:57:20 GMT -5
We can still sentence juveniles as adults...For a very long time in jail...It may not be the same as a death sentence, but spending the rest of ones life in jail is something I would not wish on anyone... However, these guys and girls commited crimes, and they deserve what they get... Don't I know it Mike. Joshua Phillips was tried as an adult at 15 and given a LWOP. AT 15 YEARS OLD!!!!! www.freejosh.comIt's another weird thing about the American Justice System. Kids are not minature ADULTS.
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Post by freerob on Jun 23, 2005 11:00:27 GMT -5
We can still sentence juveniles as adults...For a very long time in jail...It may not be the same as a death sentence, but spending the rest of ones life in jail is something I would not wish on anyone... However, these guys and girls commited crimes, and they deserve what they get... dunno about u Mike, but I am not the same person today that I was at 14 or 15 years old. The things I did then, the mistakes I made. I was just a child.
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Post by mikebook on Jun 23, 2005 11:07:50 GMT -5
But they should know the difference between right and wrong....A person is still dead...No matter what josh's age, brain lesions, his mother, etc...He is lucky he was not older or he would be on death row... Even puppies know when they did something wrong...They know what you want and what they have to do...And people are far more than puppies... I would argue for a blended sentence...Juvenile until the age of 21, then into an adult facility for the rest of their sentence...
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Post by mikebook on Jun 23, 2005 11:11:47 GMT -5
I was differentat 14 also, but I did not kill anyone...I knew better. I was too busy doing other stuff than to get into trouble...
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Post by freerob on Jun 23, 2005 11:24:20 GMT -5
But they should know the difference between right and wrong....A person is still dead...No matter what josh's age, brain lesions, his mother, etc...He is lucky he was not older or he would be on death row... Even puppies know when they did something wrong...They know what you want and what they have to do...And people are far more than puppies... I would argue for a blended sentence...Juvenile until the age of 21, then into an adult facility for the rest of their sentence... my hope would be that there would be a complete revamping of the juvenile system, to allow for more sentencing choices with the system the way it is designed, it would probably still be on a case-by-case basis rather than having a "one size fits all" blanket arrangement. i'm thinking that puppies don't have the reasoning powers people do, and largely their responses are instinctive based on repetitive events. pavlov's dogs didn't know to salivate until they were conditioned to do so, perhaps puppies knowing right from wrong is not a proper analogy? there are reasons children under the age of 15 are not permitted to sit at the emergency exit of an aircraft... according to the various airlines, it is because anyone under that age cannot be relied upon to react appropriately in an emergency situation which is what I would imagine Josh was in the midst of... an emergency situation Under the age of 15, there is inadequate life experience, and the brain is still extremely underdeveloped, according to the latest scientific studies. If we were to think of it this in a physical way, it would be like expecting a child of four to be able to lift something that weighed 100 pounds. Most able bodied adults could manage it, if only for a few seconds...*I* can lift 100 pound bags of dog food now, but wouldn't have been able to when I was a kid... Recent studies I've read in Psychology Today shared a popular opinion poll; at what age does the average American consider a child to be mature enough to make ADULT decisions... The answer???...... 25!!!
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Post by mikebook on Jun 23, 2005 11:28:38 GMT -5
Maybe so, but I still will argue for a blended sentence instead of throwing someone into an adult system at 14...I do have a heart, after all...However, I am not sure if he will be able to get it...
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Post by freerob on Jun 23, 2005 11:28:42 GMT -5
I was differentat 14 also, but I did not kill anyone...I knew better. I was too busy doing other stuff than to get into trouble... Well, who ever knows how they might react in a given situation? I love the people who brag things like, "Well, if anybody broke into my house, I'd blow their head off". Would they? Hell, I don't know if I could even do it to save my own life; when face-to-face in a situation like that. Sometimes instinct takes over, but not always. When faced with a possible car crash, one person might instinctively brake, while another might just swerve to avoid it. And another person might just freeze up and do NOTHING
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Post by mikebook on Jun 23, 2005 11:31:20 GMT -5
I was too busy, riding bikes, playing baseball and soccer, and homework... My parents kept pretty good watch over us.... I still want to ride...I need a bike...Sigh...
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