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Post by sclcookie on Jun 13, 2005 13:10:59 GMT -5
All of your posts are malicious. Why? Some are unneccesarily personal as well, as in your remark that I have nothing better to do with my time than write to DR prisoners. Truth, you don't even know me. How can you make such a remark about a stranger? "No. I had made a comment in a previous post about why Gill wrote to inmates. I had said that she did it because she basically had nothing else to do." There is no forgiveness on your part. No understanding as to why antis might want to reach out to a person condemned to die. "Go ahead and keep on writing. I don't care. I just don't understand how some antis defend the inmates on issues where there is no possible defense." "It is about punishing the cancers of society." There is only hatred and a sense of delight in what must be horrific for another human being, no matter what they have done. "Two days and the world is minus one sick, twisted murderer." And when I merely wanted to share a poem Jody wrote for me with you all, your response was cold when you claimed it "didn't do anything to you." But, it was also cruel. Jody is a person I deeply care about, yet you took delight in claiming that . . . "Killing Jody will put an end to the danger that he poses to people." I could go on and on, but, I do have a life, even if you think I don't. My question to you is simply, what are you doing on this site? When all you mean to do is upset antis, and make personal remarks when there is no cause to? What have I REALLY done to upset you? Support Jody? Hardly likely. Why are you so full of hatred? Gill Here is the deal. I understand your desire to make a difference. I mean, we all want to do something positive for the world. You think the death penalty is wrong and you want to abolish it. That's fine. But, you lose credibility when you say things like self-defense when all available evidence is to the contrary. I know you have apologized for calling murder a "silly mistake", but, that is another statement that shows very little regard for the victim. Can you kind of understand now? we do not support murders of any kind, including executions.....when someone is put on death row, they are now future victims regardless of their crime.
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Post by gill on Jun 13, 2005 13:44:13 GMT -5
No. I don't. I admitted that my calling it a "silly mistake" was wrong, and that I didn't think before typing. So I didn't show little regard for the victim, because I didn't intentionally mean to call it that. It was a mistake, I apologised. Can you please stop milking it for all it's worth? You lose credibility when you do that. I do believe Jody did not mean to kill Atkinson, but Maryland and Pros all mean to kill Jody. Intentional and premeditated killing is so much worse than accidental or unintentional killing. In the meantime, it's execution I'm opposed to; I'm not going to try to justify Jody's actions to you any further because you've clearly made your mind up based on an article you read on the Internet. I try to look deeper into the case, by befriending the murderer himself. I'll always be opposed to execution no matter what the murderer has done. For example, I'm pen friends with Efrain Perez as well who committed 2 of the most shocking of all crimes, one of which I was a victim of myself. Befriending him is stopping me from being so bitter about what happened to me. Killing him? Well, it doesn't bear thinking about. Regards, Gill (P.S. I've had enough of fighting with you Truth1. Lets try to be civil) xxx
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Post by truth1 on Jun 13, 2005 14:51:11 GMT -5
No. I don't. I admitted that my calling it a "silly mistake" was wrong, and that I didn't think before typing. So I didn't show little regard for the victim, because I didn't intentionally mean to call it that. It was a mistake, I apologised. Can you please stop milking it for all it's worth? You lose credibility when you do that. I do believe Jody did not mean to kill Atkinson, but Maryland and Pros all mean to kill Jody. Intentional and premeditated killing is so much worse than accidental or unintentional killing. In the meantime, it's execution I'm opposed to; I'm not going to try to justify Jody's actions to you any further because you've clearly made your mind up based on an article you read on the Internet. I try to look deeper into the case, by befriending the murderer himself. I'll always be opposed to execution no matter what the murderer has done. For example, I'm pen friends with Efrain Perez as well who committed 2 of the most shocking of all crimes, one of which I was a victim of myself. Befriending him is stopping me from being so bitter about what happened to me. Killing him? Well, it doesn't bear thinking about. Regards, Gill (P.S. I've had enough of fighting with you Truth1. Lets try to be civil) xxx Gill, I am not fighting with you--I am debating with you. As far as you being a victim of Efrain, I am sorry. I am sure you have gone through much pain. If you don't mind me asking, does he know who you are?
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Post by gill on Jun 13, 2005 15:39:02 GMT -5
Oh no, no. I'm not a victim of Efrain's! I'm a victim of rape, not by Efrain Perez . . . It took me a while to understand what you meant. God no. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Gill x
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Post by truth1 on Jun 14, 2005 8:06:36 GMT -5
Oh no, no. I'm not a victim of Efrain's! I'm a victim of rape, not by Efrain Perez . . . It took me a while to understand what you meant. God no. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Gill x I have much sympathy for victims of crime like that. That is such a horrible crime. My heart goes out to you. I cannot imagine the pain and anger you have gone through. Again, I did not mean to sound like I was attacking you. It sometimes appears that I am getting hot and irritated, but, I am just trying to get a point across. Have a good day.
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Post by gill on Jun 14, 2005 9:10:33 GMT -5
Well, thank you. But, I only told you to prove the point that we do not need to seek revenge to heal ourselves. Obviously murder is so much more shocking, and involves loss and despair. But, so does the death penalty, especially for the family and friends of the offender. Anyway, I respect you for your post. Regards, Gill. xxx
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Post by janet on Jun 14, 2005 9:21:42 GMT -5
I personally will never understand how anyone can support the taking of a human life, period. The death penalty creates more victims. The death of any individual is tragic. Why, therefore, compound what is already a tremendous loss for family and friends by perpetuating it? The death penalty creates more victims! I do understand that fact.
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Post by truth1 on Jun 14, 2005 10:27:32 GMT -5
I personally will never understand how anyone can support the taking of a human life, period. The death penalty creates more victims. The death of any individual is tragic. Why, therefore, compound what is already a tremendous loss for family and friends by perpetuating it? The death penalty creates more victims! I do understand that fact. Understood. But, pros cannot understand why people rally to save the lives of people that have taken the lives of the innocent. Even though you may have valid arguments, it still does not make sense.
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Post by gill on Jun 14, 2005 10:42:47 GMT -5
I personally will never understand how anyone can support the taking of a human life, period. The death penalty creates more victims. The death of any individual is tragic. Why, therefore, compound what is already a tremendous loss for family and friends by perpetuating it? The death penalty creates more victims! I do understand that fact. Understood. But, pros cannot understand why people rally to save the lives of people that have taken the lives of the innocent. Even though you may have valid arguments, it still does not make sense. Just as Antis don't understand why Pros rally to promote the execution of people they don't know.
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Post by truth1 on Jun 14, 2005 10:46:44 GMT -5
Understood. But, pros cannot understand why people rally to save the lives of people that have taken the lives of the innocent. Even though you may have valid arguments, it still does not make sense. Just as Antis don't understand why Pros rally to promote the execution of people they don't know. I suppose.
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Post by lostlove84 on Jun 17, 2005 2:58:28 GMT -5
Why is it hard to understand that someone would support the DP just because they feel that if you take an INNOCENT life in cold blood you should pay the total price? Yes I know your going to ask the same thing about the antis. Well let me answer, HOW can you over look the victim and there loved ones and only care for the killer and there family. Does the victim mean less because they are dead and gone? Tell me this, does the friend and family of the one killed get to tell them good bye and tell them that they love them and will miss them? Do they have the chance to know that they will never get to see that person again? You do not have to be involved in the issue to feel its pain and understand that what they did was wrong and that they should pay for it.
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Post by gill on Jun 18, 2005 14:16:06 GMT -5
Why is it hard to understand that someone would support the DP just because they feel that if you take an INNOCENT life in cold blood you should pay the total price? Yes I know your going to ask the same thing about the antis. Well let me answer, HOW can you over look the victim and there loved ones and only care for the killer and there family. Does the victim mean less because they are dead and gone? Tell me this, does the friend and family of the one killed get to tell them good bye and tell them that they love them and will miss them? Do they have the chance to know that they will never get to see that person again? You do not have to be involved in the issue to feel its pain and understand that what they did was wrong and that they should pay for it. Lostlove, We don't think any less of the victims because they are dead. That's a ridiculous assumption. Remember that we are Pro Life activists. And we do condemn murder just as fiercely as you do. But, we do not support the idea that killing the murderer will do anything other that deprive the murderer's family of their loved one. Murder rates in America continue to rise even with the death penalty, so it's clearly not having any impact. Please avoid that pathetic attack on Antis that we mustn't care for the victim's family. We do. But the victim is gone, and killing his/her murderer is not going to bring them back. Revenge is not the way forward. Gill
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Post by lostlove84 on Jun 19, 2005 0:17:21 GMT -5
Why is it hard to understand that someone would support the DP just because they feel that if you take an INNOCENT life in cold blood you should pay the total price? Yes I know your going to ask the same thing about the antis. Well let me answer, HOW can you over look the victim and there loved ones and only care for the killer and there family. Does the victim mean less because they are dead and gone? Tell me this, does the friend and family of the one killed get to tell them good bye and tell them that they love them and will miss them? Do they have the chance to know that they will never get to see that person again? You do not have to be involved in the issue to feel its pain and understand that what they did was wrong and that they should pay for it. Lostlove, We don't think any less of the victims because they are dead. That's a ridiculous assumption. Remember that we are Pro Life activists. And we do condemn murder just as fiercely as you do. But, we do not support the idea that killing the murderer will do anything other that deprive the murderer's family of their loved one. Murder rates in America continue to rise even with the death penalty, so it's clearly not having any impact. Please avoid that pathetic attack on Antis that we mustn't care for the victim's family. We do. But the victim is gone, and killing his/her murderer is not going to bring them back. Revenge is not the way forward. Gill The last few lines of your statment is why pros say what they do about antis and the victims of the killer. [\quote]But the victim is gone, and killing his/her murderer is not going to bring them back. Revenge is not the way forward. Gill[/quote]
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 19, 2005 10:37:56 GMT -5
again, i'll say we are against murders. we don't want murderers out of prison. we want to death penalty abolished. it's not man's right to kill another man via murder or execution.
my great granddad was killed in the line of duty and my dear friend was murdered. i do think of the victims family and friends....at the same time, i'm going to work on abolishing the death penalty.
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Post by jj on Jun 19, 2005 14:00:18 GMT -5
Why is it hard to understand that someone would support the DP just because they feel that if you take an INNOCENT life in cold blood you should pay the total price? Yes I know your going to ask the same thing about the antis. Well let me answer, HOW can you over look the victim and there loved ones and only care for the killer and there family. Does the victim mean less because they are dead and gone? Tell me this, does the friend and family of the one killed get to tell them good bye and tell them that they love them and will miss them? Do they have the chance to know that they will never get to see that person again? You do not have to be involved in the issue to feel its pain and understand that what they did was wrong and that they should pay for it. I fully understand you wanting them dead. They caused a great deal of pain. No, they pulled the rug out from under you in your life and destroyed a very important part of your life. but just because you "feel" that way does not make it right. Do you always act on your "feelings" in everyday life? That is why the law does not allow the families of the victim to make the sentencing. They are in too much pain to make a logical and rational decision. It is only human nature to want the person who hurt you to suffer the same way. I don't fault that, I don't argue against that, I understand that. Tell me something, and this is not just for you Shawni, but for all MVS. Has it ever occured to you the anger that the inmates family feels after an execution? They want someone to hurt just as much as they do now? Do you think they are thinking rationally? I can guarantee you everything you feel, the raw emotions is exactly what they are feeling.
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