The Cement Weights

[happyhaddock]

The weights are the key to this crime, but can't be found. There is no proof they exist, no proof they ever existed, no proof Scott could or did make them. So how do you convict a man based on evidence that does not and can not exist?

Scott is supposed to be the greatest criminal master mind in the history of the world. So how come he acts so dumb? Why would he make 4 or 5 extra weights and space them out so carefully as to leave 5 circles (allegedly)? If he made them one at a time, why didn't the circles overlap? If he made 5 at once where are
the molds? And if he made 5 weights, did he buy 5 dollar store buckets? Then why didn't he buy a $1 drop cloth to put on the trailer? He's supposed to be a criminal genius, right? What killer ever makes weights ahead of time? I know of no other case where this happened - in all other cases they grabbed something they had already. Perhaps there are cases where the killer bought something to use as a weight, although I recall none. But I've never heard of a case where someone made weights ahead of time.

[lolli]

and.................If he did indeed plan to make the weights ahead of time (which I have never believed) why in the heck would he not clean it up? he managed to pull this murder off without any forensic evidence, witnesses, etc but wasnt smart enough to clean up the dust from the cement? doesnt make any sense? and if he was going to make them why do it somewhere where he would be investigated? they knew it was his shop? he gave them the info right away? why wouldnt he make them somewhere in the middle of nowhere and then nobody would see his "work space"?? There were so many what if's in this case I can't see how anyone on that jury could not have some form of "lingering doubt" in which case they should have, if nothing else?, been a hung jury! shoot, the hair on the duct tape they found that didnt match either Scott or Laci would have been enough for me to at least wonder? I could think of so many things that would have made me say "hey wait a minute.... that doesnt add up?" where were the anchors? they could find a soda can in the ocean but not even one? of the anchors? I can see not being able to find all of them but not even one? that civillian set up twins also did sonar searches for months and didnt find any either? or.... what about the theft across the street and the Aponte tapes? that alone would be enough for me. Or the tip they got about the pregnant woman being held in Tracy but the policy thought it was "too dangerous?" what?? what if it was her?? just soooooo many things that don't make sense in this case. I have not believed Scott did this since the beginning, not because I dont think its possible that a man could kill his pregnant wife, we all know that happens all the time. But in this case I have not seen anything other than where the bodies were found and come on, people watch a whole lot of drama on tv, do you think its wasnt possible for someone to think of "framing" him? knowing he was there??? it happens all the time. Ok, you can tell I'm new to this board since I am rambling but for some reason this case has just enthralled me from the beginning. I have never seen someone sentenced to death over this "lack" of evidence! It's just absurd!

[Maggie]

Great points, both of you.

The verdict is illegal. IMO

Some day this verdict will be looked at with such disgrace. I really do believe that. Then again.... a lot of things will be looked upon with disgrace.... JMO of what people 100 years from now will think.

You are 100% right HH- the jury convicted on non-existant evidence.

[Maggie]

Lolli.... not to mention it was VERY shallow water where Scott went fishing. Only a few feet FEET!! I wonder how many people even realize this?!

[lolli]

Oh I know, "here, let me put her in shallow water so they can find her real easily" If he was going to dispose of her in the ocean I would think (even someone like me who can't imagine taking another human being's life) you would go way out far and that way the chances are more likely it will go out to sea not come in. Why would you put her in shallow water knowing most likely they will check it out when you give that as your alibi? and why would he give that location? why not say I was fishing 10 miles north??? that way they would be looking in the wrong place. So what is it? is he the smartest killer alive or the stupidist? you cant have it both ways. Better yet, why not tell them the SF Bay and then go to another area of salt water (in case they test the boat etc) They'd be looking in the bay for months for nothing and by that time the real location would be safe? or take it a step further? he knew the ins and outs of farming communities way out in the middle of california, why not dump her somewhere like that and then go fishing. Nobody would think to look out there? there are just so many "other" things he could have or would have done??? If he's supposedly that smart. or the dog, how the heck would he have known what the dog would do? for all he knew he could have followed his truck (like some dogs do) while he drove off and someone would have seen that?? Karen Servas's time line is laughable. Just the fact that her clock was off an hour speaks volumes. That changes the "10 minute" window don't ya think??

[Maggie]

IMO there is no ten limit window that I trust based on Karen Servas. She made multiple mistakes. Anyone who doubts that needs to look at her prelim and trial testimony side by side. It's all there. Her testimony changes. So what was it Karen? Her "clock" for this trial is not credible, imo.

[happyhaddock]

barbaraweaver said:

IMO there is no ten limit window that I trust based on Karen Servas. She made multiple mistakes. Anyone who doubts that needs to look at her prelim and trial testimony side by side. It's all there. Her testimony changes. So what was it Karen? Her "clock" for this trial is not credible, imo.

Even if her testimony was absolutely accurate and without flaw it proves nothing. Servas returned the dog, Laci came out, grabbed his leash and walked him to the park and back. Servas is irrelevant except for her comment about the grass on the leash. Then we have grass in Laci's tote bag, on the black pants and on the towels. More than enough proof that Laci took the dog to the park wearing the black pants which she later changed. More than enough proof that Scott was innocent.

[texasgirl]

I looked at those pictues about a thousand times, the ones showing the "circles" of cement powder on the trailer, and for the life of me, I could not see five distinct circles. All I saw was patches where it looked like somebody moved the bucket around while working with it.
What has always puzzled me is, when Karen S. found McK. in the street with the leash on, why did she not knock on the door to make sure Laci was alright? She couldn't have been in that big of a hurry. Wouldn't it be the neighborly thing to do, after putting the dog in the back yard, to have tapped on the door and said, "hey, I brought your dog home, Laci?"
Some neighbor kids that I barely knew, they live about a half mile from our house, brought our dog back home once when he follwed them home as they were riding their bikes. They knocked on my door and asked if he belonged to us. These kids were 9 or 10 years old!! If a kid that young has that kind of decency, why wouldn't a grown woman?!
Everything about this case screams to me that Scott was targeted to be the fall guy, and that some of these witnesses might have been paid off to say what they did in trial.

[b51w]

the whole case is full of mistakes big mistakes if sp is so smart why in the hell would he have told the cops he was fishing he could have stuck to his golfing story.the fact that he asked lacis sister over for pizza the night before she went missing makes me wonder what would have happpend the next day all the wrong things that could have happend to scott DID!!!!!hes in jail for cheating on his wife and buying a boat without telling his inlaws.The next time i buy something i will make sure and call all my family members to let them know. Each day i think of all the mistakes in this case and laugh THEY CALL THIS JUSTICE.stay strong and have faith scott your justice will come soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[legallybrunette]

Actually, that's a good point - makes you scared to draw breath as it seems these days ANYTHING can be turned around and made to look suspicious and sufficiently so to get you condemned to death!!
I don't know anything about fishing but it has been said that an experienced fisherman would not have been looking for the kind of fish SP said he was going out for when later questioned, at the spot he claimed to have gone that morning. Is this correct or is this another made up 'fact' put out by the media??

[Maggie]

Hey LB,

The night Laci went missing, Scott was interviewed by detective Brocchini. I'll post that interview in a different thread. You can see what Scott had to say about his fishing trip.

[happyhaddock]

legallybrunette said:

... I don't know anything about fishing but it has been said that an experienced fisherman would not have been looking for the kind of fish SP said he was going out for when later questioned, at the spot he claimed to have gone that morning. Is this correct or is this another made up 'fact' put out by the media??

It's complete rubbish. If you wanted to paint your house you might use a paint brush or a paint roller. You could use a toothbrush. It's stupid but how would it make you guilty of murder?

I have actually fished with a bent pin on a piece of string off the end of a dock. Really. I caught nothing, but so what? Sturgeon can weigh as little as 35 lb. So he can't haul in a 35 lb sturgeon but he can dump a 153 lb body plus 200 lb of cement weights? Nonsense. There was a video piece on the news a few months back which showed a guy in a 7 foot inflatable kayak hauling in a spear fish which weighed well over 100 lb. There's always some fool who'll run his mouth but it proves nothing. Scott never said he was fishing for a particular type of fish, and in fact he was clearly just playing with his boat.

[b51w]

I think that the police think that they struck gold when they found the unopened package of fishing lures in scotts truck and they ran wild with it .Im sure seeing how the police are so perfect that they never just take the time to go out and screw around scott was tetsting the new boat out maybe cast his line just for the hell of it just goofin off and hes gulity of murder.The police and jury all must have blinders on . I just find it so hard t0 belive that they think in a boat he never had out in the water hes first time testing it wold be to dump his pregant wife and cement weights over the side Then the next day give them the info and locatin where he was fishing? It was stated lacis step father Ron is a fisherman i wonder if he checks inwith the family before he goes out.Lets face it scott never had a fair chance to begin with His affair with Amber made him look bad Can i understand it yes im sure if anyone out there has been pregant You know sex is the last thing on your mind when your that far along so scott cheated . I REALLY BELIVE THAT IS ALL HE IS GUILTY OF. Screwing around yes muder HELL NO!!!!! keep the fatih peterson family scott will get his jutice soon