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Post by ladyred on Sept 24, 2005 6:48:25 GMT -5
Why do Pro DP people come here? What is the point do you think? Its like ameat eater posting on a vegetarian site. I just dont understand. Dont they want to talk with like-minded people? Also, I wonder why all the pro people who post always seem illiterate or something. Their posts are always littered with cursing and slurs. I dont visit any pro sites, are they all this way? Are there any just normal conversations on opinion etc?
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Post by sclcookie on Sept 24, 2005 8:39:10 GMT -5
Actually, not all pros who come in here are disrespectful. Some come in here taking into consideration that they are in an anti-dp forum where they understand we are here to fight for all DR inmates lives and are aware that many of us have friends on DR.
Good examples, truth1, dio, attitude, erick. Now, on occasion we all say some things out of line (especially, myself), said pro and us antis, however, on the most part the pros I've mentioned are very respectful.
Please feel free to mention others I've left out, y'all.
These pros deserve to be recognized for their consideration along with their educational, civil debates.
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Post by CCADP on Sept 24, 2005 9:52:58 GMT -5
is that what it is? I haven't seen one argument that shows why this 'punishment' needs to remain legal. Not just here; but anywhere; and we have debated the best. Whats the argument? (its not just going to be an example of a horrible crime or some hyseria about prison administration not being able to keep their facilities secure I hope; cause those have been tried and discounted a million times...) It seems to me; the 'pros' at least the ones who obsess over anti death penalty activists and the CCADP; come here to cause trouble; argue; get their knickers in a twist. Other people of a pro death penalty mindset who come here from the internet; do actually come here to debate the issues. There's a huge and obvious difference between the two.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Sept 24, 2005 10:22:34 GMT -5
the pros do their thing we do ours...so where´s the problem... we wont stop them executing people although its our goal to abolish the DP and they wont stop us getting people off DR or at least support DR prisoners ... they call it justice we call it murder and lynchmob vengeance ... if you´re actively working in the anti DP movement it would be great if you could work on both sides (mvs, inmates & their families) but it doesnt work so you stay on the Anti side and the Pros do their thing and support the mass murdering to go on... actually all this pro and anti sh*t doesnt really matter for an activist cuz it doesnt influence your work at all...(doesnt really matter for pros either btw)... when pros and antis discuss its actually always the same sh*t... one side feels pissed off cuz they want their kinds of "justice" and the other side feels pissed off cuz they have no respect for people supporting the killings of human beings ...bla bla... Bow Wow Wow Mo-DAWG
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Sept 24, 2005 10:28:14 GMT -5
let me ask you this, what is the one way to be positively sure that a killer won't ever kill again? Their Death. So to further protect society, we need to execute. It's quite simple. Needs no further argument or explaination. modern high security prison (emphasis on modern) ....inmates are separated from others there and wont hurt other inmates...the pigs dont enter the cells alone and are safe as well... actually its just like this: if you WANT to find a reason to justify the killing of people you always find one no matter how absurd it might go ... it would be by far more hoenst if Pros would say "yeah we could house those inmates in modern hi-sec but we do WANT to kill them cuz thats what satisfies us..."....doesnt make it better but at least it makes the whole discussion more honest... its about wanting peoples deaths and not about reasons how to house them properly to keep society safe... this dishonest bla bla about security instead of saying the truth (which is wanting persons to die) is the reason why i dont respect most of them Pros... Mo-DAWG
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Post by miles on Sept 24, 2005 12:18:05 GMT -5
let me ask you this, what is the one way to be positively sure that a killer won't ever kill again? Their Death. So to further protect society, we need to execute. It's quite simple. Needs no further argument or explaination. are you SERIOUS? you, as a human being are happy for other human beings to forcibly murder another for a crime they or may not have done? I don't know or care where your religious or spirituality comes into this, if at all, but I say this to you... no human being has the right to decide when another dies. For those that think otherwise, brace yourself.. you have a LOT to cope with following your last breath. Laugh now, pay later... think about it.... you have only one soul... don't play games with it... otherwise it'll be your eternal lose. Don't believe at all? Your problem...
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Post by littlepeople on Sept 25, 2005 8:21:49 GMT -5
Well Miles, I don't think that your reason to be Anti is right. One should not promote something out of fear. That is in fact what the Pros do. Christianity should not come into the core of Capital Punishment. There are already a lot of references to it. e.g.; the bed similarity to the cross, the there needles,the ongoing mentioning of bible passages etc. The bottom of the line is that playing God is costing a lot of lives. Do the pros consider that killers will kill more were there is CP to leave no witnesses? Do the pros consider that the lobby that promotes the right to have arms is actually perpetuating the right to kill? Do the pros consider that the american or any judicial system is bound to be fallible? NO! Of course not. The all thought behind it would crumble if there was such a doubt. There is a reasonable certainty that the American Judicial system does not let reasonable doubt in most DP cases once they are in the motions. As in Jimmi Dennis case, Debbie Milke, Greg Dickinson and so on. That has proven how arrogant and self indulgent this system is. The American judicial is linked to the administration. The British judicial system is above the government. It is based on human rights not on political rights. As long as they have a system like this there will be CP. This is the bottom of the line fordubting the purpose of capital punishment. Not guilt of ones personal mistakes at time of death. Sorry mate but you are wrong too.
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Post by sclcookie on Sept 25, 2005 8:28:52 GMT -5
Well Miles, I don't think that your reason to be Anti is right. One should not promote something out of fear. That is in fact what the Pros do. Christianity should not come into the core of Capital Punishment. There are already a lot of references to it. e.g.; the bed similarity to the cross, the there needles,the ongoing mentioning of bible passages etc. The bottom of the line is that playing God is costing a lot of lives. Do the pros consider that killers will kill more were there is CP to leave no witnesses? Do the pros consider that the lobby that promotes the right to have arms is actually perpetuating the right to kill? Do the pros consider that the american or any judicial system is bound to be fallible? NO! Of course not. The all thought behind it would crumble if there was such a doubt. There is a reasonable certainty that the American Judicial system does not let reasonable doubt in most DP cases once they are in the motions. As in Jimmi Dennis case, Debbie Milke, Greg Dickinson and so on. That has proven how arrogant and self indulgent this system is. The American judicial is linked to the administration. The British judicial system is above the government. It is based on human rights not on political rights. As long as they have a system like this there will be CP. This is the bottom of the line fordubting the purpose of capital punishment. Not guilt of ones personal mistakes at time of death. Sorry mate but you are wrong too. Excellent post!
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Post by sugarbabe on Sept 26, 2005 12:24:40 GMT -5
i do read both boards. And i tend to find that what is posted here by people sometimes ends up on the pro baords and vice versa. Its like they all like to know what both boards are doing and whats being said on each board.
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Post by sclcookie on Sept 26, 2005 12:53:49 GMT -5
i do read both boards. And i tend to find that what is posted here by people sometimes ends up on the pro baords and vice versa. Its like they all like to know what both boards are doing and whats being said on each board. At the moment I can't read "both" boards, so it really doesn't matter what that "other" board has to say.
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Post by sibby on Sept 26, 2005 20:27:16 GMT -5
Why do Pro DP people come here? What is the point do you think? Its like ameat eater posting on a vegetarian site. I just dont understand. Dont they want to talk with like-minded people? Also, I wonder why all the pro people who post always seem illiterate or something. Their posts are always littered with cursing and slurs. I dont visit any pro sites, are they all this way? Are there any just normal conversations on opinion etc? I can't speak for anyone but myself.......but I like to read about all sides of any given subject, including this one, the death penalty. As for being or seeming illiterate, I believe you can't possibly include every person who is Pro into that. There are many on both sides who may not come across as great writers. We all feel our convictions passionately, however we may not all be able to express those convictions in writing as eloquently as the next person. I am pro-death penalty and I am not illiterate, nor do I need to use insults to get my point across. Most of the time I read without posting.
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Post by cindylove2948 on Sept 26, 2005 23:06:28 GMT -5
There is never a reason for insults no matter what side you are on. That is wrong. If we can all learn to respect each other (notice I didn't say agree) we can learn from each other that is what is important.
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Post by rain on Sept 27, 2005 7:45:26 GMT -5
Absolutely agree cindy. I have been involved with this board for a little while and have met many wonderful people, both anti and pro. I have been involved in wonderful, thought provoking debates. This is a board for either as long as respect is remembered. It would make life a little boring if everyone thought the same as you all the time. It broadens all our minds to reach out and listen to the other side once in a while.
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