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Post by CCADP on Jul 2, 2005 16:45:51 GMT -5
In future please refrain from using the word Scum or other descriptive and unneccessary terms. A long time ago pros and antis on this board came to agreements on that kind of thing.
You can say "killer" "Murderer" "guy who did this horrendous thing" "death row guy" or whatever - but try to keep it to a word you would use with a prisoners elderly mom if you were in her house - cause she might be reading this. And this is supposed to be her house.
Please read the Rules For Posting On This Board. But you've been here before; so you know all this.
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Post by blahblahblah on Jul 2, 2005 16:51:43 GMT -5
No, Ive never been here before. And no I dont know all the rules. Sorry about using that word, won't happen in the future.
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Post by CCADP on Jul 2, 2005 16:52:54 GMT -5
Thanks. It will be appreciated
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Post by freerob on Jul 4, 2005 1:44:56 GMT -5
There you go on your moral trip "Free Rob". Trying to tell me about how civilized Europe is, how humanitarian you are, and how barbaric the system is. You're right when you say every life matters. Every life is worth an equal amount. Therefore we have to execute people who kill. You are on the wrong side of this fight. There is NO EXCUSE for killing an innocent person so good luck defending the scum who sit on death row FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS! They knew the rules and decided to play the game and lost. Maybe we can send the rapists, child abusers and murderers to live beside you since you see no problem with their actions? Also, about murder. Murder is defined as the UNLAWFUL killing of one human being by another. There is nothing UNLAWFUL about executing murders since it is on the books in the states that practice it! Moral trip? How condescending! I wasn't 'trying' to tell you how civilised Europe is, I was 'telling' you how civilised it is. Huge difference. Unlike you, I do not agree with murder in ANY form. However, why do you think the hundreds of millions in Europe all agree that the DP is wrong and was abolished in Europe? Are you now saying every European who is glad the DP is gone is warped, demented and wrong? Wow, if so buddy, you are offending a LOT of people! Regarding your hyperthetical point to send all your DR inmates to Europe. At least their lives would be spared. They'd die in prison. LWOP. And I'd like to correct you. I DO have issues with the crimes they committed. I abhor heinous crimes. Please do not presume otherwise. Unlike many in the USA who support DP, I have my own brain, I do not follow a majority like a flock of sheep. I evaluate situations and make my OWN decisions. Best Miles
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Post by Maggie on Jul 6, 2005 12:36:23 GMT -5
Miles.... The US is like one big pasture with billions of sheep...... some are very mean sheep. The old white guys like their money and power.... and they intend to keep it that way. Look at our prez.... Need I say more? "Blah" obviously doesn't understand how the DP is applied here in the US..... poor, minority, bad lawyers.... It's not "justice" and it is not RIGHT..... it is however, the American way, and it makes me sick.
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Post by freerob on Jul 6, 2005 13:25:00 GMT -5
Miles.... The US is like one big pasture with billions of sheep...... some are very mean sheep. The old white guys like their money and power.... and they intend to keep it that way. Look at our prez.... Need I say more? "Blah" obviously doesn't understand how the DP is applied here in the US..... poor, minority, bad lawyers.... It's not "justice" and it is not RIGHT..... it is however, the American way, and it makes me sick. Maggie, Thanks for that. Of course you are totally correct. The mind-set in the majority in the USA are like I've said before, the blind leading the blind. In the 21st Century, I still have difficulty getting my head around the biggest country in the world, a WORLD POWER, still allowing it's citizens to be murdered by it's OWN Government. It truthfully has me scratching my head and wondering what these voters are thinking.... or not (the sheep following each other just came to mind!). I just do not understand the way Pro's minds work. Of course if you are brainwashed, then none of us can. Many pro's throw the line "An Eye for an Eye", but that's just a cop-out (UK term). I can't remember ANYWHERE in the New Testiment where that quote is EVER backed up. It's an easy quote for Pro's to use. But it's completely groundless when they speak of religion. Jesus was entirely about FORGIVENESS. There was NOTHING he wouldn't forgive, so the Pro's religious arguements regarding this are totally useless. Another point is that none of us, people, Governments etc have the right to make the ULTIMATE Judgement on a human being. That just isn't our right. If a murderer killed, he'll pay, but it shouldn't be by our hands. His ultimate judgement will be beyond our realms, but as human beings we need to protect society and keep them in high security prison's until the day they die. Not much of a life for them is it? Their Freedom taken away FOREVER. But that's the punishment, WE should deliver. Not kill them. That's not our right. Ok, nuff said. Best Miles
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Post by electricchairusa on Jul 6, 2005 14:55:56 GMT -5
I think blah not only has been to the pro site but is a member there like 90 percent sure i know who blah is onthe pro site too styles of writing are very similiar oh well welcome anyways
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Post by Maggie on Jul 7, 2005 7:22:43 GMT -5
Miles....
You said: Another point is that none of us, people, Governments etc have the right to make the ULTIMATE Judgement on a human being. That just isn't our right.
I agree with you 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In fact your whole post was right on-- and I agree with all of it!
People tend to think "brainwashing" is some planned event they sign up for- which they would never do... and they couldn't be more wrong. Thanks to modern media and it's powerful monopoly backed with huge agendas.... it happens everyday via tv, radio, even movies. IMO People barely process what they hear they just take it all in.
The media is our governments best friend, imo. That's how they brainwash.
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Post by blahblahblah on Jul 7, 2005 20:43:52 GMT -5
"Jared", I guarentee you are wrong as this is the only death penalty message board I post on...
Now regarding the death penalty being murder. Look up the word murder. It means the illegal killing of one human being by another. ILLEGAL. There is nothing illegal about a punishment handed down by the government itself.
And I never said I agreed with the way it is handed out, but I still believe in it. Supermax prisons aren't good enough. There are guards, other inmates and the possibility of escape. Some people just cannot be controlled or rehabilitated and the only way for them to pay up for their crimes is with their life.
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Post by oztash on Jul 7, 2005 21:15:21 GMT -5
blahblahblah
I think its trully sad that you think that these ppl cant be rehabilitated, and the only way for them to pay for their crimes, is with their life.....This is a terrrible attitude to have, and totally wrong...I will never believe the statement you just made, never, and most here would never believe the same....
Tasha
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Post by freerob on Jul 7, 2005 21:47:09 GMT -5
"Jared", I guarentee you are wrong as this is the only death penalty message board I post on... Now regarding the death penalty being murder. Look up the word murder. It means the illegal killing of one human being by another. ILLEGAL. There is nothing illegal about a punishment handed down by the government itself. And I never said I agreed with the way it is handed out, but I still believe in it. Supermax prisons aren't good enough. There are guards, other inmates and the possibility of escape. Some people just cannot be controlled or rehabilitated and the only way for them to pay up for their crimes is with their life. Blah (what a ridiculous username btw!), Are you a psychologist? Trained in mental health issues? Are you a professional therapist? Are you experienced in the legalities of Death Row? Are you in the same league as experienced investigator's such as Tina Church? If the answer is no, and you are a basic citizen of the USA, then I fail to understand your logic and even more so, have little regard for your posts. You obviously have no 'real' education on the matter and are just another sheep following the herd. How sad.
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miscmood
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Post by miscmood on Jul 7, 2005 22:02:59 GMT -5
Anybody who thinks LWOP is not enough of a punishment should have been standing next to me last year when my 20-year-old son told me he would rather have had the death penalty than the LWOP sentence he received at age 15. He had been incarcerated since he was 14 and told me he didn't think he could stand it much longer. While he didn't think he could end his own life, he did think about ways to bring about his own demise. "Mom," he said to me, "all I have to do is make an escape attempt and the guard in the tower will shoot me when I don't stop." I thought my heart would not just break, but disintegrate upon hearing him tell me this. I have been afraid ever since that one day he will have reached that terrible breaking point. When I spoke recently to Richard Rosenbaum, the original trial attorney for Lionel Tate, he told me that in his experience, juveniles who receive LWOP can only take about seven years before they break. LWOP can be far worse than the death penalty; it is a living death for many inmates, especially those who have been completely abandoned by their families.
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Post by CCADP on Jul 7, 2005 22:06:00 GMT -5
Every time I read one of your posts it just breaks my heart. Please let us know if there is ever anything we can do...
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miscmood
Doin' Time
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Post by miscmood on Jul 7, 2005 22:33:39 GMT -5
Every time I read one of your posts it just breaks my heart. Please let us know if there is ever anything we can do... It's hard to know what to ask for, other than continued support for Josh on his website and in his forum. Being the parent of an incarcerated child convicted of murder can be a very isolating existence. Through Josh's website, I have found myself surrounded by people who care about what happens to Josh, and what happens to me. Josh is beginning to realize, as people from his forum write to him and support me as well, that there is still hope in his world. And, I have found new hope, as well.
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miscmood
Doin' Time
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Post by miscmood on Jul 7, 2005 22:46:09 GMT -5
" Some people just cannot be controlled or rehabilitated and the only way for them to pay up for their crimes is with their life. It may be true that there are some people who cannot be rehabilitated, but sadly, most inmates in the State of Florida will never have that opportunity, since this system is set up for punishment only, and not rehabilitation. It is a system doomed to fail and leads to the prisons being a revolving door for many who simply cannot cope with life on the outside because they were never given any chance at all. They are given about $200 and a new set of clothes and shown the door. That's quite sad.
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