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Post by Mo-DAWG on Dec 17, 2009 15:41:13 GMT -5
ok this is one for us antis ... i thought about it again lately and found it to be a "damned if you do - damned if you dont" kind of situation .. lets say someone killed another person in a DP state and its pre-meditiated murder of the kind that will get the DP (hypothetically so dont let us talk about the possibility that he wont get the DP ) ...you know who it is and you can prove it
lets see -
if you tell the cops then:
- the person will get the DP which you as an anti oppose
- you would help them to give this person the DP by reporting the
murder and the murderer
- you will have to live with having kinda supported this DP case
if you dont tell the cops then:
- this person gets away with murder
- this person might murder again (ya never know .. right?)
- the victims family will never find a little bit of peace
- you will have to live with having kinda supported the killer and
might become "an accomplice" of possible further crimes of his too
NOW WHAT?
as i said this would be for antis only .... and please dont answer to please anyone or to avoid controversy with other members .. say what you really think you would do ..
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Post by pumpkinpie on Dec 17, 2009 22:18:50 GMT -5
I would absolutely tell the police, as I think most rational people would! I wouldn't even be thinking about the death penalty immediatly after the crime occurred. My thoughts would immediatly be with the victim, and I certainly would FEEL twice as responsible if I didn't turn this guy in. It wouldn't be my fault if it happened in a death penalty state or a non death penalty state. It would be up to the judge and jury to decide the murderers fate, not mine. My job as a citizen is to protect other citizens!
I'm anti but not to the extent of letting a criminal directly get away with murder. Anyway, neither the death penalty or the state I was living in would be on my mind during the time of what had occurred. Because by the time of the criminals execution, you don't know if there will be a moratorium on executions, you don't know if that state will become a non-death penalty state by then even, or if the murderer wil die in prison before he's even executed, as many do. And even if he did get executed for it, I would object to it at the time, but I sure wouldn't feel responsible in the least over it or take back my decision. The important thing would be to act on the current situation at hand and that would mean doing what was right!
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Dec 17, 2009 23:04:05 GMT -5
I would absolutely tell the police, as I think most rational people would! I wouldn't even be thinking about the death penalty immediatly after the crime occurred. My thoughts would immediatly be with the victim, and I certainly would FEEL twice as responsible if I didn't turn this guy in. It wouldn't be my fault if it happened in a death penalty state or a non death penalty state. It would be up to the judge and jury to decide the murderers fate, not mine. My job as a citizen is to protect other citizens! I'm anti but not to the extent of letting a criminal directly get away with murder. Anyway, neither the death penalty or the state I was living in would be on my mind during the time of what had occurred. Because by the time of the criminals execution, you don't know if there will be a moratorium on executions, you don't know if that state will become a non-death penalty state by then even, or if the murderer wil die in prison before he's even executed, as many do. And even if he did get executed for it, I would object to it at the time, but I sure wouldn't feel responsible in the least over it or take back my decision. The important thing would be to act on the current situation at hand and that would mean doing what was right! in a non DP state it would be a no-brainer for me (except for the "talking to cops part" which i always refused to do at all)...but in a DP state it would cause me sleepless nights to decide what to do ... |
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Post by Greylek on Dec 19, 2009 12:55:45 GMT -5
I would absolutely tell the police, as I think most rational people would! I wouldn't even be thinking about the death penalty immediatly after the crime occurred. My thoughts would immediatly be with the victim, and I certainly would FEEL twice as responsible if I didn't turn this guy in. It wouldn't be my fault if it happened in a death penalty state or a non death penalty state. It would be up to the judge and jury to decide the murderers fate, not mine. My job as a citizen is to protect other citizens! I'm anti but not to the extent of letting a criminal directly get away with murder. Anyway, neither the death penalty or the state I was living in would be on my mind during the time of what had occurred. Because by the time of the criminals execution, you don't know if there will be a moratorium on executions, you don't know if that state will become a non-death penalty state by then even, or if the murderer wil die in prison before he's even executed, as many do. And even if he did get executed for it, I would object to it at the time, but I sure wouldn't feel responsible in the least over it or take back my decision. The important thing would be to act on the current situation at hand and that would mean doing what was right! Good post. But just one question/problem. If he is sentenced to death and then the State becomes non-dp, would he still be executed because he was at the time sentenced to death? I'm not to sure how it would work with retroactive laws. So even if the DP was abolished those sentenced after will get LWOP and down, and those sentenced before won't? Maybe someone can answer if his setence gets commuted to LWOP or he still gets the dp? |
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Dec 19, 2009 17:17:44 GMT -5
I would absolutely tell the police, as I think most rational people would! I wouldn't even be thinking about the death penalty immediatly after the crime occurred. My thoughts would immediatly be with the victim, and I certainly would FEEL twice as responsible if I didn't turn this guy in. It wouldn't be my fault if it happened in a death penalty state or a non death penalty state. It would be up to the judge and jury to decide the murderers fate, not mine. My job as a citizen is to protect other citizens! I'm anti but not to the extent of letting a criminal directly get away with murder. Anyway, neither the death penalty or the state I was living in would be on my mind during the time of what had occurred. Because by the time of the criminals execution, you don't know if there will be a moratorium on executions, you don't know if that state will become a non-death penalty state by then even, or if the murderer wil die in prison before he's even executed, as many do. And even if he did get executed for it, I would object to it at the time, but I sure wouldn't feel responsible in the least over it or take back my decision. The important thing would be to act on the current situation at hand and that would mean doing what was right! Good post. But just one question/problem. If he is sentenced to death and then the State becomes non-dp, would he still be executed because he was at the time sentenced to death? I'm not to sure how it would work with retroactive laws. So even if the DP was abolished those sentenced after will get LWOP and down, and those sentenced before won't? Maybe someone can answer if his setence gets commuted to LWOP or he still gets the dp? i dont think thy would still get executed .. remember manson and his bunch ... they got sentenced to death but then the DP got abolished(in 1972 i think).. so their sentences were commuted to "life" |
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Post by pumpkinpie on Dec 19, 2009 21:09:49 GMT -5
I would absolutely tell the police, as I think most rational people would! I wouldn't even be thinking about the death penalty immediatly after the crime occurred. My thoughts would immediatly be with the victim, and I certainly would FEEL twice as responsible if I didn't turn this guy in. It wouldn't be my fault if it happened in a death penalty state or a non death penalty state. It would be up to the judge and jury to decide the murderers fate, not mine. My job as a citizen is to protect other citizens! I'm anti but not to the extent of letting a criminal directly get away with murder. Anyway, neither the death penalty or the state I was living in would be on my mind during the time of what had occurred. Because by the time of the criminals execution, you don't know if there will be a moratorium on executions, you don't know if that state will become a non-death penalty state by then even, or if the murderer wil die in prison before he's even executed, as many do. And even if he did get executed for it, I would object to it at the time, but I sure wouldn't feel responsible in the least over it or take back my decision. The important thing would be to act on the current situation at hand and that would mean doing what was right! Good post. But just one question/problem. If he is sentenced to death and then the State becomes non-dp, would he still be executed because he was at the time sentenced to death? I'm not to sure how it would work with retroactive laws. So even if the DP was abolished those sentenced after will get LWOP and down, and those sentenced before won't? Maybe someone can answer if his setence gets commuted to LWOP or he still gets the dp? Thanks. Welcome...  That's a good question, but I don't think anymore executions are carried out at all in a state if that state decides to do away with the D.P. |
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Post by happyhaddock on Dec 20, 2009 16:17:08 GMT -5
Make a statutory declaration as to the facts in front of your own lawyer and leave him with a copy.
Then tell the guilty party to get a lawyer and make a deal or you will report them.
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Post by gip73 on Feb 17, 2010 11:06:48 GMT -5
mo-dawg and pumpkinpie, i dont understand and would like to know your thought process. If a person is quilty without a doubt for taking another persons life, why are we so wrapped up in not letting that person be executed? Obvioulsy somewhere in that persons life things went wrong and they have no regard to others, why should they deserve to live after killing? Im confused.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Feb 17, 2010 22:22:44 GMT -5
mo-dawg and pumpkinpie, i dont understand and would like to know your thought process. If a person is quilty without a doubt for taking another persons life, why are we so wrapped up in not letting that person be executed? Obvioulsy somewhere in that persons life things went wrong and they have no regard to others, why should they deserve to live after killing? Im confused. Hi there new joiner- welcome! Alot of people don't deserve alot of things, and many do deserve to be punished. Nobody ever said life was fair, and some people actually get away with murder. If the right killer is caught and convicted, then justice is served, as best as I believe it can be under tragic circumstances. The victim in the case is no less deceased once the murderer is executed, and that is no great tribute to anyone's memory, it just creates more victims. |
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Feb 18, 2010 13:30:54 GMT -5
mo-dawg and pumpkinpie, i dont understand and would like to know your thought process. If a person is quilty without a doubt for taking another persons life, why are we so wrapped up in not letting that person be executed? Obvioulsy somewhere in that persons life things went wrong and they have no regard to others, why should they deserve to live after killing? Im confused. gip - i can only speak for myself and my reason is that i dont believe in the concept of killing .. i despise killing no matter WHO does it or WHY .. now you might say "if Mo-DAWG despises killing then why does she stand up for killers lifes"? the answer is you dont need to respect someone to be opposed to him getting killed .. and i dont respect anyone who takes another human life/other human lives .. not as an act of crime nor if its covered by some "law" in certain societies ... I can't tell people what the ultimate right or wrong is when it comes to their stances .. I can't tell people what's right or wrong when it comes to their stances on the DP .. everyone has to decide that for himself .. and so did I .. and so I oppose the DP .. lock murderers up for life .. i dont care .. put them in ad sec for life.. i dot care .. I just oppose the concept of killing them .. |
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Post by sclcookie on Feb 20, 2010 4:09:01 GMT -5
lol, this is an amusing question, sorry. Regaurdless if it happened in a death penalty state or not, any decent person would report it and not think about where or not the murderer will get the death penalty. I'm totally against the death penalty, but I'd be just as bad as the murderer if I didn't report it. I want my family to remain safe without cold blooded murderers running the street.
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Post by happyhaddock on Feb 20, 2010 13:08:52 GMT -5
lol, this is an amusing question, sorry. Regaurdless if it happened in a death penalty state or not, any decent person would report it and not think about where or not the murderer will get the death penalty. I'm totally against the death penalty, but I'd be just as bad as the murderer if I didn't report it. I want my family to remain safe without cold blooded murderers running the street. The method I quoted above: "Make a statutory declaration as to the facts in front of your own lawyer and leave him with a copy.
Then tell the guilty party to get a lawyer and make a deal or you will report them."
will take care of all problems and protect you. |
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