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Post by blackstar on Jul 15, 2009 13:20:52 GMT -5
I am sorry to say that this forum is run by dictators who do not like any criticism. Oh God, can't believe you just said that. You might remember me as the fence sitter on off2dr, now how's that for a site run by dictators such as Pam and Jeff...
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katiecomfort090467
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Post by katiecomfort090467 on Jul 29, 2009 14:11:08 GMT -5
The biggest problem I find is with this case being so high profile how will he ever get the chance to show he has changed. He was but a boy at the time. there are people killed daily and much worse in crime. I hate that Texas is allowed to treat a human being in such a way. it causes me to look at what being a human being is worth??? it does not mean I do not feel for the girls parents cause I do. but Mr peter Cantus parents are yet to loose their son..so thats whats wrong with the Dp. Another parent loses out.
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Post by malahide on Aug 3, 2009 6:26:27 GMT -5
For starters: I'm against the death penalty. So, this surely qualifies to get an answer from Banshee as she chose not to talk to pro people. Sorry about my English, it's not my mother tongue.
But other than that, I cannot believe what she and a few others are saying in here.
First of all: You're the good guys. You're the ones who stand up for humanity and so on and so on. And yet not ONE of you gets up and reacts when Banshee does something that outrageous as comparing Mr Cantu to Mr Ertman? Just to help you remember: Mr Ertman lost his daughter in what probably is one of the cruelest ways to lose a loved one. Sure, Banshee doesn't care. She ist friends with Mr Cantu, what means: There's no room left for emotion towards other human beings. Mr Cantu takes it all.
I think one can express sorrow for a victim AND a murderer at the same time. No problems with that. And I think if Banshee wants to be friends with Mr Cantu, that's fine. I wouldn't call her names for being that. It's really her own business. What's NOT her business ist what Mr Ertman feels and says. If anybody has every right to judge Cantu and his gang friends, it's Mr Ertman. Whoever this Banshee is, she can't possibly be as involved in this horrifying story as Mr Ertman is. He didn't choose to be involved, I'm pretty sure he rather celebrate the 30th birthday with his daughter soon, but he can't.
I have a daughter. She is 9 months old. If she was the victim of a crime as the said, I wouldn't call for the death penalty. I'd do it myself. And I wouldn't care about right or wrong. And if someone like Banshee would turn up to tell me I hadn't the right to do that, I'd say: Oh, well, maybe you're right, I don't have the right, but... ooops, sorry, I already did it, what can I do? I'm terribly sorry, but too late.
The problem about you people is that you're so busy with fighting death row that you're not able - and not willing! - to tell your comrades when they are off tracks. Banshee obviously doesn't know what she says. That's not about opinions, people, this is about respect for the relatives of the victims. I think you can be contra death penalty without hurting the relatives - but Banshee can't. And therefore you have to tell her where she is wrong even if she supports your cause.
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Post by malahide on Aug 3, 2009 9:10:58 GMT -5
The 15 years Peter survived the girls are not life. He lives in a cage like an animal. So not his life but his suffering is 15 years longer than the girls'. Other than that I don't care what you think of me, you are a typical PRO and I don't deal with people like that. That's a joke, right? Yes, it's true, the girls don't suffer anymore. But they have a mother, a father, sisters and brothers, friends, people who care. They all have suffered for the past 15 years and will suffer further on! Oh my, his suffering ist 15 years longer than the girls' - that supposed to make me cry? As I said: I don't think the death penalty is the right thing do to. But to suggest Cantu is in a worse place than the families of the girls is just... I don't have words.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Aug 3, 2009 10:17:37 GMT -5
For starters: I'm against the death penalty. So, this surely qualifies to get an answer from Banshee as she chose not to talk to pro people. Sorry about my English, it's not my mother tongue. But other than that, I cannot believe what she and a few others are saying in here. First of all: You're the good guys. You're the ones who stand up for humanity and so on and so on. And yet not ONE of you gets up and reacts when Banshee does something that outrageous as comparing Mr Cantu to Mr Ertman? Just to help you remember: Mr Ertman lost his daughter in what probably is one of the cruelest ways to lose a loved one. Sure, Banshee doesn't care. She ist friends with Mr Cantu, what means: There's no room left for emotion towards other human beings. Mr Cantu takes it all. I think one can express sorrow for a victim AND a murderer at the same time. No problems with that. And I think if Banshee wants to be friends with Mr Cantu, that's fine. I wouldn't call her names for being that. It's really her own business. What's NOT her business ist what Mr Ertman feels and says. If anybody has every right to judge Cantu and his gang friends, it's Mr Ertman. Whoever this Banshee is, she can't possibly be as involved in this horrifying story as Mr Ertman is. He didn't choose to be involved, I'm pretty sure he rather celebrate the 30th birthday with his daughter soon, but he can't. I have a daughter. She is 9 months old. If she was the victim of a crime as the said, I wouldn't call for the death penalty. I'd do it myself. And I wouldn't care about right or wrong. And if someone like Banshee would turn up to tell me I hadn't the right to do that, I'd say: Oh, well, maybe you're right, I don't have the right, but... ooops, sorry, I already did it, what can I do? I'm terribly sorry, but too late. The problem about you people is that you're so busy with fighting death row that you're not able - and not willing! - to tell your comrades when they are off tracks. Banshee obviously doesn't know what she says. That's not about opinions, people, this is about respect for the relatives of the victims. I think you can be contra death penalty without hurting the relatives - but Banshee can't. And therefore you have to tell her where she is wrong even if she supports your cause. Hi Malahide, welcome! I don't think banshee is with us any longer. She hasn't logged in for over a year. I hope she's alright, she was a consistent member for awhile and then she "suddenly" disappeared. Even with this thread and all the replies she has received, she was fiesty, and it didn't seem like her just to run away.
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Post by justme on Aug 7, 2009 22:53:32 GMT -5
A voice of reason! Banshee clearly had issues. She became so emotionally involved she was completely irrationale. Most people around here are reasonable. I am unapologetically a pro, but I like civil discussion and dialogue. For starters: I'm against the death penalty. So, this surely qualifies to get an answer from Banshee as she chose not to talk to pro people. Sorry about my English, it's not my mother tongue. But other than that, I cannot believe what she and a few others are saying in here. First of all: You're the good guys. You're the ones who stand up for humanity and so on and so on. And yet not ONE of you gets up and reacts when Banshee does something that outrageous as comparing Mr Cantu to Mr Ertman? Just to help you remember: Mr Ertman lost his daughter in what probably is one of the cruelest ways to lose a loved one. Sure, Banshee doesn't care. She ist friends with Mr Cantu, what means: There's no room left for emotion towards other human beings. Mr Cantu takes it all. I think one can express sorrow for a victim AND a murderer at the same time. No problems with that. And I think if Banshee wants to be friends with Mr Cantu, that's fine. I wouldn't call her names for being that. It's really her own business. What's NOT her business ist what Mr Ertman feels and says. If anybody has every right to judge Cantu and his gang friends, it's Mr Ertman. Whoever this Banshee is, she can't possibly be as involved in this horrifying story as Mr Ertman is. He didn't choose to be involved, I'm pretty sure he rather celebrate the 30th birthday with his daughter soon, but he can't. I have a daughter. She is 9 months old. If she was the victim of a crime as the said, I wouldn't call for the death penalty. I'd do it myself. And I wouldn't care about right or wrong. And if someone like Banshee would turn up to tell me I hadn't the right to do that, I'd say: Oh, well, maybe you're right, I don't have the right, but... ooops, sorry, I already did it, what can I do? I'm terribly sorry, but too late. The problem about you people is that you're so busy with fighting death row that you're not able - and not willing! - to tell your comrades when they are off tracks. Banshee obviously doesn't know what she says. That's not about opinions, people, this is about respect for the relatives of the victims. I think you can be contra death penalty without hurting the relatives - but Banshee can't. And therefore you have to tell her where she is wrong even if she supports your cause.
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Post by justme on Aug 7, 2009 23:00:35 GMT -5
This crime was high profile because it was about as bad as it gets. Peter Cantu is where he is today because of Peter Cantu, not the state if Texas. Several different juries heard this case because of how many defendants were involved (although a few were tried together). And in each case 12 people unanimously agreed the death penalty was appropriate. At times I waiver in my support of the death penalty, but it is always reaffirmed when I think about this case. If anyone deserves it, Peter does. The biggest problem I find is with this case being so high profile how will he ever get the chance to show he has changed. He was but a boy at the time. there are people killed daily and much worse in crime. I hate that Texas is allowed to treat a human being in such a way. it causes me to look at what being a human being is worth??? it does not mean I do not feel for the girls parents cause I do. but Mr peter Cantus parents are yet to loose their son..so thats whats wrong with the Dp. Another parent loses out.
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katiecomfort090467
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Post by katiecomfort090467 on Aug 17, 2009 11:38:18 GMT -5
so why is the night stalker still alive? may be its his profile!!!! Peter cantu is still a human being, in another state he would have had maybe life poss..12 say death but do those twelve still say death if they meet the deffendant again, after all his years and what if they got to visti DR in Texas may be the answer who be no... ... did any of those who said yes feel diffrently later...still i never lost anyone to crime so not sure... here in the UK there are many who would be dead but we have no DP and at this moment in time i am happy with that...
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katiecomfort090467
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Post by katiecomfort090467 on Aug 17, 2009 11:43:49 GMT -5
This crime was high profile because it was about as bad as it gets. Peter Cantu is where he is today because of Peter Cantu, not the state if Texas. Several different juries heard this case because of how many defendants were involved (although a few were tried together). And in each case 12 people unanimously agreed the death penalty was appropriate. At times I waiver in my support of the death penalty, but it is always reaffirmed when I think about this case. If anyone deserves it, Peter does. so why does a parent who puts their child in a microwave get a sentance ..is this not as bad as it gets??
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Post by happyhaddock on Aug 17, 2009 14:34:08 GMT -5
Sadly, no. It's not within the capability of humans to make such determinations. No matter how they try, it always comes down to prejudice and bias. Unless all are executed, none should be. Juries can't even get guilt or innocence correct.
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Post by justme on Aug 23, 2009 9:49:57 GMT -5
Peter Cantu would have likely received the death penalty in several states...but, as you mentioned, not all of them. I guess he should have researched that and picked a different state to rape and slaughter two innocent young girls.
The Night Stalker is still alive because the State of California has not yet executed him, just like Texas has not yet executed Cantu. California very well may never execute the Night Stalker as the whole California penal system is caught up in the budget mess.
Someone who microwaves their baby, and is found guilty, would also likely get the death penalty in several states, but not all of them. Again, they may get lucky. But it at least allows for people in a particular region to have a stronger say in the application of capital punishment.
Asking why others are not yet executed, or have not received the death penalty, still does not change the fact that Peter Cantu is where he is because of what he did. He had complete control over his fate, unlike his two victims.
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Post by ♥Eva♥ on Aug 23, 2009 19:00:27 GMT -5
Peter Cantu would have likely received the death penalty in several states...but, as you mentioned, not all of them. I guess he should have researched that and picked a different state to rape and slaughter two innocent young girls. The Night Stalker is still alive because the State of California has not yet executed him, just like Texas has not yet executed Cantu. California very well may never execute the Night Stalker as the whole California penal system is caught up in the budget mess. Someone who microwaves their baby, and is found guilty, would also likely get the death penalty in several states, but not all of them. Again, they may get lucky. But it at least allows for people in a particular region to have a stronger say in the application of capital punishment. Asking why others are not yet executed, or have not received the death penalty, still does not change the fact that Peter Cantu is where he is because of what he did. He had complete control over his fate, unlike his two victims. I think reading this book and the role that this DR inmate played would convince most people to try to help someone else in this world!
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Post by pumpkinpie on Aug 23, 2009 22:15:21 GMT -5
Peter Cantu would have likely received the death penalty in several states...but, as you mentioned, not all of them. I guess he should have researched that and picked a different state to rape and slaughter two innocent young girls. The Night Stalker is still alive because the State of California has not yet executed him, just like Texas has not yet executed Cantu. California very well may never execute the Night Stalker as the whole California penal system is caught up in the budget mess. Someone who microwaves their baby, and is found guilty, would also likely get the death penalty in several states, but not all of them. Again, they may get lucky. But it at least allows for people in a particular region to have a stronger say in the application of capital punishment. Asking why others are not yet executed, or have not received the death penalty, still does not change the fact that Peter Cantu is where he is because of what he did. He had complete control over his fate, unlike his two victims. I think reading this book and the role that this DR inmate played would convince most people to try to help someone else in this world! Wow, 6 guys participated in such a gruesome and hateful act of violence?! Did you read the book? It would probably give me nightmares. Those poor girls.
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Post by ♥Eva♥ on Aug 24, 2009 14:11:23 GMT -5
I couldn't read the entire book! It was too heartbreaking! If you have the nerves for it i could mail it to you. But be warned it's a documation of an evil, violent horror that should never happen again! I really feel this world is in many respects like the sinking Titanic! We may have the chance to save someone, but devoting our energies to save the wrong people, who indulge in evil, condemns those more worthy of our help and support.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Aug 25, 2009 8:37:27 GMT -5
I couldn't read the entire book! It was too heartbreaking! If you have the nerves for it i could mail it to you. But be warned it's a documation of an evil, violent horror that should never happen again! I really feel this world is in many respects like the sinking Titanic! We may have the chance to save someone, but devoting our energies to save the wrong people, who indulge in evil, condemns those more worthy of our help and support. Hi Eva, No thanks, a book like that would probably give me nightmares. Thanks for offering though. I'd rather read some fictional romantic love story. Well, if people want to and feel that they are able to reach out and help this Peter guy at this point then that's their choice. He's got nothing now anyway. His life is ruined by his own doing.
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