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Post by banshee on Jun 24, 2008 14:18:41 GMT -5
These two girls didn't suffer 15 years so don't even dare to compare them to Peter. Their fate pales in comparison to his. I am praying for you Banshee. You are so over the top on this that you have lost all sense of reality. Their fate pales in comparison to his? He got to live 15 years longer than them. They got to die by being strangled with a belt, and then their shoelaces, and then by being kicked in the head. This was all after the joy of being sexually abused every way imaginable for hours. Peter gets to die by having a needle stuck in him. There is no comparison. You have all of the credibility in the world when you state you are against the DP because it is not right to take another person's life...no matter what the other person has done. You lose all credibility when you try to say the condemned is somehow more of a victim than the actual victims themselves. The 15 years Peter survived the girls are not life. He lives in a cage like an animal. So not his life but his suffering is 15 years longer than the girls'. Other than that I don't care what you think of me, you are a typical PRO and I don't deal with people like that.
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Post by justme on Jun 24, 2008 15:04:05 GMT -5
Banshee-
I am not going to get ugly with you. Any objective person could read this thread and can see that I am not being unreasonable.
Good luck.
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Post by briseis on Jun 24, 2008 15:56:02 GMT -5
You see, this is where I'm different. If the convicts have suffered then I am glad. They damn well deserve to suffer.
My objection is the Death Penalty only. As for inmates being made to suffer by having their freedom removed, good! Someone is in their grave because of them. I would expect to suffer accordingly if I took someone's life.
I am ALL for life imprisonment, life meaning life. I write to my penpal for the simple reason that he is on Death Row, which is a cruel and unnecessary punishment, and I want to offer him grace and compassion. I doubt very much I'd know him if he weren't on Death Row. But I'll continue my correspondence regardless of what happens to him.
Banshee is correct in that Cantu is suffering unnecessarily by being on Death Row, but if his sentence was commuted to LWOP, I'd feel he would be where he needs to be. But he is not my penpal. I wrote to another convict of the Pena/Ertman murders, and I base my understanding on that experience. As Banshee says, it is her business and noone elses and I respect that.
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Post by someonewhocares on Jun 25, 2008 1:48:27 GMT -5
I will say one thing. Upon deciding to continue to write Peter I wrote him this and it is the actual quote from what I have in my letter copied and pasted to here...."I think it’s very very horrible what you did to those 2 little girls so I’m not going to act like I understand it and the details make me very sick. As someone who has been raped myself I know what went through their minds as it was happening but fortunately I wasn’t killed. I believe in God and in Christ myself and also don’t preach the bible. Once in a while I throw in a quote and on a bad day I open up the book myself, so I don’t want you thinking I’m trying to preach you. My purpose for writing you over all was just to help someone and get to know someone who comes from a completely different world than me. I have always believed rapists should be locked away forever so I’m not going to lie to you I think that you sitting in prison for life is exactly where you should be. However I don’t believe in the death penalty so you shouldn’t be sitting where you are. You get me? "Later on I go on to say....." So I guess over all we can be with the understanding of a couple things. #1 I don’t wanna hear about your crime either or the details. I read enough. #2 I won’t ask questions or details about your sh*t either with respect to you. #3 You have to promise that if you find out when your execution is going to be you let me know so you don’t go out of this world leaving me think that I did this writing you in vain aight? #4 if you do not 100% feel truly sorry for your crime (not just because you got caught either ) then don’t write me back. I can’t explain it but I forgave my rapist I knew he was drunk and on drugs and I didn’t even know him. I listened to the good with the bad " Now I haven't been friends with Peter for to long but he did choose to write me back and like he said what can he possibly do with the rest of his time here on Earth to prove that he is sorry."......We have to understand that there are people in this world unable to express themselves and let their guilt be known. I for one know that I am horrible at it. I run from conflict to avoid the shame that comes with it. I live with my guilt and ruin relationships rather than confess I was wrong. Do you actually think that Peter saying I am so sorry for my part in your daughters death would make the parents of the victims feel better? Do you think it would take away their pain? Do you think that it would make anyone in the world think that what he did was any less heinous? No it wouldn't. The only people the Peter needs to make peace with are himself and with God. I agree that what happened to these girls was needless and barbaric but whatever murder is taken place no matter what fashion it was taken place in is needless and barbaric. There is no way for any of us to dictate which was is the best way to die. Do you think it is cruel of God to kill one person slowly with cancer and let another simply just die a quick death by an instant shot to the head? None of us have experienced MURDER to judge who has it worse. An eye for and eye is not the way our lives should be lived. Anyway back to my main subject, Peter chose to write me back and I am grateful for that but what all of you should realize is that any pen pal on death row you choose to write is in for something brutal and revolting and that is straight up the same thing we are all here to be opposed to that is M.U.R.D.E.R!!!!
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jun 28, 2008 11:35:54 GMT -5
I am friends with Peter Cantu who is on Death Row in Texas. On almost every board some rabid Pro attempted to attack me for this friendship telling me I were hurting the families of the victims with my support and friendship for Peter. But I'm asking you, isn't it my business and only my business who I befriend? It's not like i were telling the victims' families about this friendship, and neither do I owe these people anything. Do I really have to join this coalition of haters against Peter just because some freaks think it's the right thing to do? I say no. So if these people really want to support the families of these two girls then they are free to, I don't have any interest in it. banshee i agree with you .. no matter what others say your friendship with peter cantu is your bizness and none elses .. but let me tell you one thing where you are wrong as i see it .. victims and their families DO MATTER .. i can see your aversion to mr pena and mr earthman annoy and very most likely hurt you and your reaction is to defend your friend aggressively .. but let me tell you one thing about mvs .. mvs go through such unbearable pain and this unbearable pain makes them angry and bitter .. and now i ask you .. wouldnt you get angry and bitter if someone killed your children? isnt mr penas and mr earthmans reaction very understandable from that point of view? dont hate them and dont condemn them banshee .. they deserve your thoughts and compassion as much as dr inamtes and their families do .. maybe you wanna think about my post .. best Mo-DAWG
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Post by briseis on Jun 30, 2008 8:40:38 GMT -5
Zeeblack,
Whilst I agree with you that the Pena/Ertman murders were barbaric, cruel, needless, evil ... and that the murderers must have been either mad or evil at the time to commit such a horrendous crime, where is your evidence that after 15 years these men are still capable of such evil? How can you make such a random remark when you know nothing about these men apart from what happened that dreadful night and during the trial? It would be unwise to base your entire understanding of the lives, the personalities of these men on such a short period of time. Banshee knows one of these men personally, and I knew another of them personally for some time. You have such limited knowledge of them whatsoever to make such an outrageous remark. Good people are capable of evil, and evil people are capable of good. It is in the understanding and analysis of the entire person that we must base our understanding of them, and not in one single act of either good or evil.
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Post by zeeblack on Jun 30, 2008 23:04:45 GMT -5
I am sorry to say that this forum is run by dictators who do not like any criticism.
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Post by happyhaddock on Jul 1, 2008 1:54:32 GMT -5
I am sorry to say that this forum is run by dictators who do not like any criticism. No. The rules are clear and the purpose of each section is plain. You don't get to come here and do as you please any more than a child does in a grocery store. Debate in the debate section.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jul 1, 2008 8:51:34 GMT -5
I am sorry to say that this forum is run by dictators who do not like any criticism. you are absolutely free to leave this board if you dont like it ... i agree with the moderators in this case .. it just doesnt make sense to attack banshee viciously just because you dont agree with her convictions and decisions .. i dont agree with her view on mvs either but please..is it really necessary to attack her as a result of this disagreement .. Mo-DAWG
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jul 2, 2008 7:38:40 GMT -5
Banshee- I am not going to get ugly with you. thank you justme .. i dont think getting ugly with anyone can change people .. we might not agree with some of banshees stances but we can agree to disagree while giving hints and advice for thought ..
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Post by queenie95 on Aug 6, 2008 12:52:41 GMT -5
So does Cantu have a date set for his execution??
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Post by eerae on Aug 6, 2008 15:28:11 GMT -5
Wow, I really cannot understand the hatred toward the victims' families here. After the brutal killings in which the defendants boasted about everything they did to the poor girls 15 years ago, it sounds like Banshee is filled with more towards the victims' families than the actual perpetrators are now. How can you say that Cantu is so loving and Pena and Ertman are evil, yet you don't care about what Cantu actually did? Your defending his actions is about much more than being against the death penalty. I am against the death penalty too because our justice system isn't perfect and sometimes innocent people are put to death, but in this case his guilt isn't a question and his 15 years in prison cannot compare to what the victims and their families went/are going through.
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Post by ♥Eva♥ on Nov 18, 2008 13:31:12 GMT -5
Wow, I really cannot understand the hatred toward the victims' families here. After the brutal killings in which the defendants boasted about everything they did to the poor girls 15 years ago, it sounds like Banshee is filled with more towards the victims' families than the actual perpetrators are now. How can you say that Cantu is so loving and Pena and Ertman are evil, yet you don't care about what Cantu actually did? Your defending his actions is about much more than being against the death penalty. I am against the death penalty too because our justice system isn't perfect and sometimes innocent people are put to death, but in this case his guilt isn't a question and his 15 years in prison cannot compare to what the victims and their families went/are going through. Good post eerae! My thoughts and love in this case remain exclusively with Elizabeth Pena, Jennifer Ertman and their loving and grieving families!
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Post by lapost1023 on Jan 8, 2009 13:42:59 GMT -5
I have read through what most people have been saying here and really everyone has the right to thier own opinion. I was vry pro death penalty until I had to do a paper for my english class. I found peter when i was looking for someone by the same name. I have written him for a while now. He does not like to discuss his case and really doesn't. I think that some of the bloggers have read over bits about the case but really do not know the whole story. not everyone sentenanced to death commited the murders. All the guys were there but not all of them participated. I am not sayig what happened wasn't wrong adn that they do not deserve to be punished. In Texas if you are present when the murder is commited you are just as guilty as the guy who did it. Now if I were witnessing this, I may just be too scared to move, to run, and of the guys who commited the murder. To be locked up in a cell for 23 hours out of the day, is insane. I understand why, but there is a deathrow inmate in texas that will never be exicuted, because these conditions have made him crazy and you can put to death a crazy man. I get the system and i get why it is the way it is, but there has to be a better way. Pleanty of people are on the losing end of this all, The inamtes famil suffers along with the vitims family. Some imates except thier fate and only go through the motions for their families.
I do not mean to offend anyone, but unless you were there you really do not know what happened. Unless you talk to him you do not know how he really feels about it all.
In fact I know that he would be upset to find out that i even bothered with this. I will miss him when he is gone, be it by CP or natural causes.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jan 8, 2009 15:42:49 GMT -5
I have read through what most people have been saying here and really everyone has the right to thier own opinion. I was vry pro death penalty until I had to do a paper for my english class. I found peter when i was looking for someone by the same name. I have written him for a while now. He does not like to discuss his case and really doesn't. I think that some of the bloggers have read over bits about the case but really do not know the whole story. not everyone sentenanced to death commited the murders. All the guys were there but not all of them participated. I am not sayig what happened wasn't wrong adn that they do not deserve to be punished. In Texas if you are present when the murder is commited you are just as guilty as the guy who did it. Now if I were witnessing this, I may just be too scared to move, to run, and of the guys who commited the murder. To be locked up in a cell for 23 hours out of the day, is insane. I understand why, but there is a deathrow inmate in texas that will never be exicuted, because these conditions have made him crazy and you can put to death a crazy man. I get the system and i get why it is the way it is, but there has to be a better way. Pleanty of people are on the losing end of this all, The inamtes famil suffers along with the vitims family. Some imates except thier fate and only go through the motions for their families. I do not mean to offend anyone, but unless you were there you really do not know what happened. Unless you talk to him you do not know how he really feels about it all. In fact I know that he would be upset to find out that i even bothered with this. I will miss him when he is gone, be it by CP or natural causes. No, I'm glad that you bothered with this! You make a good point and we need more people like you around here.... Welcome!
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