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Post by happyhaddock on Jul 7, 2008 14:16:55 GMT -5
Andie, my thoughts exactly. We need a happy medium. I never suggested treating them like crap. I suggested 'tougher conditions'. Currently in many prisons, British prisoners are given breakfast in bed, Digital TV in their comfortable cells, free phone calls, etc etc etc, and that is what I disagree with. It is currently a home far better than home! So much better that prisoners ENJOY prison and want to stay, ignoring chances to escape. Treat them like prisoners, not hotel guests, so that prisons deter crime. But also, offer a rehabilitation programme prior to release. People usually don't escape from open prisons either. They understand consequences, which is the lesson we are trying to teach them. The US super punitive model has resulted in an enormous prison population and horrendous crime rates.
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Post by briseis on Jul 8, 2008 5:36:54 GMT -5
I never once suggested treating them badly. I said treat them like men and women who have been convicted of serious offenses and are there to be punished by having freedom and privileges removed; in this way they learn that their actions have serious consequences. I also suggested a rehabilitation programme prior to release.
I'm not going to debate this further as I'm bored of writing the same thing in several different ways. I'm sure anything you've got to say further I've already provided the answer for.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jul 8, 2008 12:17:14 GMT -5
I don't think it's an easy life in prison. It's a dreary, uncomfortable setting where the inmates are treated as the criminals they are. Strip searched, handcuffed, locked up, with all their freedom gone. If anyone wants to be there, they are crazy. I suppose some get institutionalized and used to being in the system. I've heard the food in prisons isn't that good, and some don't even wash the trays, making inmates all eat off the same dirty trays. Many are sexually assaulted in there, and that kind of abuse needs to be prevented. Some inmates get stabbed and beat up in there. I'm sure it's a place where they always have to watch their back. Most in there deserve to be, but some conditions could be improved in prisons. As far as taking away privleges.. I don't think they have too many to take away. They have to eat, and having no exersize wouldn't do any good for anyone. In the U.S. they don't have cable tv in their cells, just basic channels, which is fine. Watching tv all day isn't exactly a privelege.
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Post by briseis on Jul 8, 2008 14:14:31 GMT -5
Yes, but the prisons you are speaking of are the US prisons. Prisons in the UK are very different, as I posted earlier. Anyway, to be honest, I'm bored of discussing this topic.
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Post by happyhaddock on Jul 9, 2008 13:44:18 GMT -5
Yes, but the prisons you are speaking of are the US prisons. Prisons in the UK are very different, as I posted earlier. How does the effectiveness of the US prisons vary from the UK prisons?
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Post by andie on Jul 9, 2008 20:18:26 GMT -5
Yet there are people who are not in prison who are eating out of garbage cans, and there are people not in prison still getting stabbed and sexually assulted and still have to watch their own backs....the only difference is the cell block,strip search and handcuffs. Just saying......its the same inside and out...the only difference is those on the inside create the problems for those on the out...thus it is no suprise for violence in prison. I don't think it's an easy life in prison. It's a dreary, uncomfortable setting where the inmates are treated as the criminals they are. Strip searched, handcuffed, locked up, with all their freedom gone. If anyone wants to be there, they are crazy. I suppose some get institutionalized and used to being in the system. I've heard the food in prisons isn't that good, and some don't even wash the trays, making inmates all eat off the same dirty trays. Many are sexually assaulted in there, and that kind of abuse needs to be prevented. Some inmates get stabbed and beat up in there. I'm sure it's a place where they always have to watch their back. Most in there deserve to be, but some conditions could be improved in prisons. As far as taking away privleges.. I don't think they have too many to take away. They have to eat, and having no exersize wouldn't do any good for anyone. In the U.S. they don't have cable tv in their cells, just basic channels, which is fine. Watching tv all day isn't exactly a privelege.
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Post by briseis on Jul 10, 2008 6:34:12 GMT -5
Andie,
In the UK prisons, prisoners are ONLY handcuffed when being transported from one prison to another. Whilst in prison, they are never handcuffed.
And they are only searched ONCE upon entrance to the prison; apart from this, they are never searched.
And cell rooms, look more like student accomodation over here.
And even with all this, all the prisoners do is complain about being handcuffed at all, or searched at all.
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Post by happyhaddock on Jul 10, 2008 13:34:20 GMT -5
... And even with all this, all the prisoners do is complain about being handcuffed at all, or searched at all. That's just human nature, "Give a man an inch, he thinks he's a ruler!" I'm sure after a while in heaven the Muslims are saying, "Only 75 virgins?"
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Post by dell829 on Oct 29, 2008 12:07:56 GMT -5
they are in prison for committing a crime, its not supposed to be the Hilton.
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