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Post by tinachurch on May 24, 2005 9:00:30 GMT -5
My name is Tina Church and I am a factual investigator. I would be more than happy to talk to families of DR inmates or those families whose family member have recently been charged with a capital murdrer. I am also willing to put family members in touch with other family members in the same situation.
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 15, 2005 8:55:22 GMT -5
Thank you Tina!
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Post by tinachurch on Jul 16, 2005 2:21:02 GMT -5
you are very welcome!
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Post by ykzpilot on Jul 21, 2005 12:49:39 GMT -5
Who will speak with the families of the girls that were raped and killed and sliced up into pieces and buried by those you want to live?
Karla Homolka lured school girls into her car, her and her husband raped them and tortured them while they video taped their sick murders.
Now she is free, after only 12 years ... and the families of the school girls have missed their treasures ... agonizingly, daily, suffering from the evil of these two.
What a sick world we live in. Murders - caught on tape - raping, torturing, slicing and burying little girls ... and you ask for donations to help these killers?
I guess once you allow doctors to kill babies you lose all feeling for human life. You spend so much time trying to save the evil acts of the perverse that you ignore the innocent lives. The victims.
Your priorities are very screwed up ...
Karla Homolka is not innocent. The babies that will be killed today by so-called doctors are. The girls she raped and videotaped being killed also cannot be replaced. Why should she go free when the families she has destroyed will live in pain the rest of their lives?
No wonder these killings and rapes and torture are so common. There is no fear of being held accountible.
The message to the world is - kill whom you want - you will live a long life with food and housing .... more than most people on this planet get. 30,000 people will die today alone from starvation ... and we pay to feed, clothe, and educate our murderers and rapists while the victims get nothing.
Who are the sick ones? The ones who kill or the onces who protect them?
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Post by CCADP on Jul 21, 2005 13:22:58 GMT -5
No; Karla is not innocent. Where are u getting that?
I think the government messed up (again) in a MAJOR way and if they had investigated properly they never would have made the deal resulting in her getting only 12 years - she should have done 40; 50 years if not actually life as far as we are concerned.
Who speaks for victims families? well all of society I hope; and the victims services offices in all prosecutors offices across north america; and in the case of Bernardo/Hmolka's victims; also their lawyer Tim Danson.
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Post by laurauk on Jul 21, 2005 14:53:15 GMT -5
excuse me but are you on the right board ? we are not talking about dead babies???
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Post by sclcookie on Jul 22, 2005 7:26:06 GMT -5
ykzpolite,
There are various organizations for the victims family that will be glad to assist. This forum is basicly for the "other victims", however, MVS's aren't turned down. (I'm MVS also, BTW). It's just a matter of respecting what this board is about. There are other posts that you might check out that will give you more information. And if you're looking for "victim" information, there is a "victims" area.
hugggz, Suzanne
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Post by paleone on Jul 22, 2005 7:41:01 GMT -5
this is silly...ok...the lady did time...maybe not enough in your eyes, but she did, she served it and completed it...she does not need to be on trial again after her sentence was carried out...
and i don't know if you really want to get into the whole pro-life thing with me...because pro-life yet pro-death penalty is utter hypocrisy...why?? those who are this way seem to care about saving the life of a baby prior to it's birth...but once it's born into this world, you could care less what happens to it....stopping an abortion does not birth into this world an elite group of soon to be doctors and humanitarians....each and every one of us had the potential of being aborted...and that includes murderers....so sorry if we have a compassion for the "baby" once it was born into this world....
maybe you can read my thread called "pro-life yet pro-death penalty"
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thinkinkmesaaz
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"I know right from wrong, why doesn't my government?"
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Post by thinkinkmesaaz on Aug 19, 2005 18:39:17 GMT -5
Paleone; thank you for your post....so very well put.
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Post by paleone on Aug 22, 2005 12:15:24 GMT -5
Paleone; thank you for your post....so very well put. thank you
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Post by tina on Aug 24, 2005 18:26:36 GMT -5
Paleone,
We both shared a friend--Robert Alan Shields, and we will both share a loss.
Thanks for being his friend.
Tina
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Post by projason on Sept 4, 2005 3:14:05 GMT -5
May the REAL victims rest in peace.
Jason
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Mo-DAWG
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Sept 4, 2005 6:21:28 GMT -5
May the REAL victims rest in peace. Jason may ALL victims rest in peace Jason.... and may the survivors FIND peace ... Mo-DAWG
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miscmood
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Post by miscmood on Sept 4, 2005 7:25:58 GMT -5
Thank you, paleone, for your post. And, Tina, thank God for you and others like you, who recognize the enormous amount of pain and suffering everyone affected by the murder of a loved one goes through.
I have never lost anyone I love to murder, but the emotional scars and pain I will carry in my heart for the rest of my life because of my son Josh's case, are no less grievous than the hurt in the lives of Maddie's family.
You tell me often, Tina, that I am a victim in this tragedy as well, and while I know this to be true, I am nonetheless still viewed by many as the mother of the monster, and have been "informed" by a couple of members from another board, that I have no right to the sorrow and anguish I feel and have been able to express publicly. I was told via email by one of these people that the only pain that truly counts is the pain suffered by Maddie's family. Because my son was convicted of killing her, that he and I both are getting what we deserve, and that as long as I continue to love and support him, and work to get him free of LWOP someday, that I should just keep my mouth shut and accept my part of the punishment for the role I play in Josh's life.
Well, you know, I didn't "honor" that email with a response, and just circular 13ned it in a cyber fashion, but if that person happens to read this message, then they can take formal notice that I will NEVER give up on Josh and there are others who are willling to help me, such as Miles, Mo-Dawg, and Tina, et al. People with true compassion and caring in their hearts. People I one time feared would not exist for me and Josh.
My life is continully haunted by the image of Maddie on the morning I discovered her; my heart haunted as well as shadowed, by all that occurred during and since that morning. Not a day passes; not an HOUR passes, that I don't think of Maddie and her family. This tragedy is as much a part of my life as breathing.
No one had better ever think that just because Josh and I are on the "wrong side of the fence" that we do not recognize and experience terrible anguish over this case for Maddie and her family. Josh lives with this every second of his life. It is still too painful for him to discuss with anyone at much length.
The agonizing grief that accompanies the murder of a child is beyond the comprehension of any one whose life has not been directly affected by it.
As I sit and write these words, the tears are falling as I think about the day I took Miles to Maddie's grave. I've only been there twice because it is just too grievous to my heart.
I think sometimes, too, about what would have happened had Josh been 16 instead of 14 at the time of his arrest. I think about the families of men and women killed on death row and think how blessed I am that Josh wasn't given the death penalty. My heart and full support goes out to these oft-times forgotten families, whose only crime was loving their convicted family member and supporting them to the end and beyond.
Much Love and Peace, Missy
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Post by miles on Sept 5, 2005 14:34:29 GMT -5
I know what you have/and are going thru Missy.
Don't take ANY notice of the rejects of this site. Remember, they are REJECTS.... aborted, terminated... got rid off! Why? because they were not worth the air they breathe. Who really cares what they say about you, Josh or I? I couldn't care less what they say. Nor should you. That's EXACTLY what they are trying to do. Hurt you or me!!! It's a laugh! ;D In fact, as you know, I haven't a clue what they say of late. Why? Simple: A complete waste of my time. I'm not interested. I have better things to do with my time, as you know! I'm snowed under in work!
What we do, and shall continue to do is strive to help Josh. Not only Josh, but all those children given LWOP and the boys on DR. It's a steep slope to climb but united here, we CAN make a difference.
I say, concentrate on the positive, throw out the negative. Life is too short to worry about mentally unstable people that have no bearing on our lives.
As Rich says (Chi Town) - STAND TALL!!!
Miles xxx
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