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Post by ktlsull1 on Jul 16, 2008 17:15:43 GMT -5
I'm sure this will be deleted ... <You are correct. What part of "Supporters" did you fail to understand? Debate must be offered in the correct section only.>
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Post by spearhead on Jul 19, 2008 13:32:34 GMT -5
If you eliminate the "he said; she said" aspects of the case and look at the logic of the case, something doesn't quite add up. First, is the fishing boat. The boat was rather small, and those boats are prone to tipping. There is a remote possibility that he just plain "cold cocked" her, however, more than likely, an argument took place. I really doubt that that particular boat would have stood much of an argument without tipping. Most importantly, the boat was small. To dissect a human, you need "working room" alot more than that boat can offer. The constant weight shifts of working back and forth would probably capsize it. Then, I don't know about your boat, but mine is full of recesses. THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY to remove all of that blood, unless you lined the whole boat with plastic...doubtful.
So, did he do it? Not in the way they say. And, they made a whole point of this argument. Apparently, his defense attorney didn't know his way around a boat either!
What about motive? Why dissect your child when you could just walk away like 50% of men do? Lot less trouble, and it's the more "acceptable" thing to do. Dissecting a child is like saying, "If I can't have his children; neither can you" Don't underestimate women. Scott could have been seeing some obsessed female...or NOT seeing some obsessed female he is totally obivious to. Or, it could be a "murder for hire."
Then take Laci. Unfortunately, we make martyrs of people that terrible things happen to. All of a sudden they lead a "perfect" and "Christian" life. Just what is known about her? What was she into? We have NO clue. Could it have been that she was pregnant by someone else who took revenge?
Could it be that both Scott and Laci were into "some shady" dealings such as drugs or such and were taught a "mob style" lesson? Could this be why Scott acted so distracted and "strange"? He feared he would be next?
Who knows? The possibilities are endless.
However, the point of this being is that ANY of these theories is MORE plausible than "man cuts up woman in fising boat...acts weird...gets arrested....says he didn't do it...."sure he didn't"....gets the death penalty....end of story."
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Post by happyhaddock on Jul 19, 2008 17:51:46 GMT -5
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Post by spearhead on Jul 20, 2008 0:38:03 GMT -5
I never knew these facts existed. Why does the media not want you to see these? No wonder the boat theory makes absolutely no sense.
Our justice system holds no merit!
We are not concerned anymore with justice.
Just high profile quickie verdicts to really make the public believe that they are on top of things and really doing something.
Is Laci's people aware of any of this?
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Post by happyhaddock on Jul 20, 2008 11:51:12 GMT -5
I never knew these facts existed. Why does the media not want you to see these? No wonder the boat theory makes absolutely no sense. Our justice system holds no merit! We are not concerned anymore with justice. Just high profile quickie verdicts to really make the public believe that they are on top of things and really doing something. Is Laci's people aware of any of this? One hopes so. |
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Post by canadman on Aug 19, 2008 17:27:32 GMT -5
Hi there. I am new to this forum and therefore have never posted on here before. That said, I have followed this case since day one and, while I don't wish to pass an opinion one way or the other I must admit, through everything I've read (and I've read a lot), beyond all the questionable circumstantial evidence, there is one issue with this case I simply can't resolve and while I can understand arguments in support of Mr. Peterson's guilt I can't reconcile this one troubling point.
Excuse my longwindedness but allow me to explain the point that troubles me, one which I think simply doesn't jive with the prosecution's theory.
I am an avid fisherman. I have been most of my life. I am an extremely experienced boater and though I have fished coastal waters I mainly fish mountain lakes. Throughout my life I have owned numerous boats from 20+ footers to small 12 - 14ft aluminum fishing boats. Most recently, though I just sold it, I owned a small Whaler style, 14ft fishing boat. A couple of weeks ago, while out fishing for a few hours I couldn't help replay the prosecution's theory out in my mind as I sat in my boat on relatively calm water.
An hour or so into fishing nature called so I did what I always do. I stood up in my boat, carefully edged to the side of the boat and awkwardly balanced myself as I did my best to relieve myself, standing up, over the side of the boat. At least twice I had to do a quick little jig to recover my footing as the boat gently swayed from side to side.
A short time later I landed a decent sized fish (around five pounds) which I leaned over the side of the boat (still seated mind you) and went about bringing into the boat with my net. It was only five pounds but it wasn't easy lifting five pounds into a small fishing boat without doing a fair bit of rocking and having to brace myself as I netted it.
My boat's hull was a wide, deep V-hull. Far more stable than the hull of Mr. Peterson's boat. I know this because for many years I owned an almost identical boat to his (same hull design, same beam, same depth). I can remember in that boat being caught in moderately rough conditions and literally choosing to pull into shore if I needed to relieve myself rather than doing it out on the water as standing up in those waters would have been extremely chancy.
According to the prosecution Mr. Peterson took Laci's pregant body (which for argument's sake let's say weighed 100 pounds) out in his boat, along with a weight heavy enough to anchor her. Took the boat out into coastal waters (and I don't care how calm the water was on that day, coastal waters are always a little tricky even on the calmest of days) and then alone lifted her body, along with the weight, over the side of the boat (or even the bow of the boat as I've seen some suggest). I have a four year old. When he's asleep, lifting him is like lifting sacks of sand. I've never attempted to lift a sleeping 100 pound woman but I would have to think the size and weight would be a challenge at the best of times.
I'm 5'10", 190 pounds and relatively fit. I am an experienced boater as I've mentioned. I have a hard time standing up and peeing in a 14' aluminum in calm lake water. I cannot, for the life of me, imagine how anyone could budge a 100 pound body and a weight over the side (or bow) of the same boat without capsizing it. I would challenge anyone to try it.
I agree there is other evidence that is questionable, but this one point to me is simply unresolvable. Surely some of you, or someone you know must fish, must have a small aluminum boat. Go get a 4 - 5ft canvas sack. Fill it with 100 pounds of sand. Attach a concrete weight to it. Then head out into the water alone and try to lift that sack over the side of the boat (or again, the bow). Here's what will happen... Assuming you're relatively close in size and weight to Mr. Peterson you will shift your weight (close to 200 pounds) to the side of your boat while you shift another 100+ pounds with you leaving no weight on the other side of the boat. You'll then rock around as you struggle to lift the hundred pound weight up and over the boat into the water. But here's the good news. You won't have to work too hard as the boat will flip and both you and the sack of sand will soon be going for a swim. It's pure common sense. You can't shift 300+pounds to the side (even the side near the bow) of a 14 foot aluminum boat without disastrous consequences.
The day someone can explain to me how this can be done is the day I'll reconsider the prosecution's case. Until that day I just can't buy the theory.
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Post by happyhaddock on Aug 20, 2008 12:50:11 GMT -5
... According to the prosecution Mr. Peterson took Laci's pregnant body (which for argument's sake let's say weighed 100 pounds) out in his boat, along with a weight heavy enough to anchor her. ... She weighed 153 lb when abducted. To keep the body down for 4 months in shallow salt water allow for bloating to triple the size, therefore add 350 lb. Scott weighed 210 lb, so the total for himself and Laci is about 710 lb or more and other materials in the boat added significant extra weight. It is hard to see how seaworthy this boat could be, and when 3 people went boating in a moderate wind in a similar boat on a nearby lake, two were drowned. |
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