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Post by thebutcher on Aug 14, 2005 13:50:29 GMT -5
I don t want to prove nothing at all my friend the thing is that a man is on death row and IMO there is not a shread of evidence that he commit that crime its a shame that a man can go on death row with NOTHING evidence, we are in 2005 not in 1910 and I just gave my opinion on this...... Now you better NOT going fishing and your wife end up missing because you will be in trouble if the media get a hold of you.......... thank you and have a nice day...... That is the most obsurd remark I think I have seen hear yet to date. As to Miles, is this not a discussion forum? We are discussing. Its ok no problem with that...... but I just want to tell you that IF you want to debate the case,( you did NOT answer my 10 questions) START to read the transcript because you are NOT to familiar with the case IMO............( new boat, fishing, golfing, ect) it is obsurd to talk about a case that you follow on TV and NOT read transcript IMO and after that I will be ready to debate again with you have a nice week end.....
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Post by miles on Aug 14, 2005 13:55:26 GMT -5
I don t want to prove nothing at all my friend the thing is that a man is on death row and IMO there is not a shread of evidence that he commit that crime its a shame that a man can go on death row with NOTHING evidence, we are in 2005 not in 1910 and I just gave my opinion on this...... Now you better NOT going fishing and your wife end up missing because you will be in trouble if the media get a hold of you.......... thank you and have a nice day...... That is the most obsurd remark I think I have seen hear yet to date. As to Miles, is this not a discussion forum? We are discussing. indeed you are... and where are you getting?
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Post by shadez on Aug 14, 2005 13:56:57 GMT -5
I gathered all the conversation here so that people who want to avoid these threads can. Its hard for our friends in the UK and Europe to grasp just how crazy the media went on this case. We tried to avoid it while the media circus was going on; until we were asked to get involved. Since then I have seen just how badly the media pilloried this man; (a lot of it emotion based because of the affair on the pregnant wife); and how he truly was convicted before trial. Much that the media reported on was not actually true and was debunked at trial but the media never reported THAT. These conversations do have value; to let people - who are SO sure they know what happened in this case - be aware of some facts about the investigation etc. This is the proper area to debate it. So feel free to talk here as long as you treat others with respect. The frustration of longtime DP activists is that people don't realize there are lots of innocence cases on death row where its hard to get anyone to pay attention to. We have to remember though that Scott Peterson has a different battle to face in addition to the courts- the court of the media and public opinion. Its ok for these conversations to continue here Miles and others - lets make some threads highlighting some facts in other cases as well in order to let those prisoners take advantage of the current media and public attention as well... I agree wholeheartedly Tracy, Scott needs a voice but so do 999 other men around the world on Death Row. Just because SP was a high profile case, let's not forget our other friends. Quite honestly, the SP situation is doing him no good whatsoever. Like I said, back and forth etc. As a rabid activist against DP, even I'm tired of the media bullsh*t. Goodness knows what Scott thinks. It will not help him at all. Didn't before. They say any publicity is good publicity... errrr. I beg to differ. Miles By you saying that he deserves a voice is in a sense asking us that believe he is guilty to say, ok, people convicted of murdering their wife and unborn baby deserve a right to speak out. That is what appeals are for, and in a sense, censorship. He was convicted by the media and the general public by HIS OWN actions. Then, by a jury. Let me ask this, say somehow, you found out right now, that he was guilty without question, would you still feel he deserves the rights to an open forum? I do not necessarily agree with the death penalty and actually at times feel bad that he is there. I can imagine how hard it was for him to adjust to an enviorenment that he is now. Mark Geragos screwed up, bottom line. He would have been better off with a public defender in my opinion. I feel bad for his parents and all involved, as Sharon Rocha stated, their were no winners. But I am sure, if it was anyone of our spouses, and we were innocent, we would not stand idly by while the press persecuted us. He did not portray ANYTHING CLOSE to someone who was concerned about finding his wife. It's beyond the realm of reasoning why he acted like he did.
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Post by shadez on Aug 14, 2005 13:58:47 GMT -5
That is the most obsurd remark I think I have seen hear yet to date. As to Miles, is this not a discussion forum? We are discussing. Its ok no problem with that...... but I just want to tell you that IF you want to debate the case,( you did NOT answer my 10 questions) START to read the transcript because you are NOT to familiar with the case IMO............( new boat, fishing, golfing, ect) it is obsurd to talk about a case that you follow on TV and NOT read transcript IMO and after that I will be ready to debate again with you have a nice week end..... If you bothered reading my messages you will see I did answer you.
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Post by CCADP on Aug 14, 2005 14:00:28 GMT -5
CCADP offers free webpages to any individual sentenced to death; whether guilty or innocent.,
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Post by thebutcher on Aug 14, 2005 14:01:59 GMT -5
Its ok no problem with that...... but I just want to tell you that IF you want to debate the case,( you did NOT answer my 10 questions) START to read the transcript because you are NOT to familiar with the case IMO............( new boat, fishing, golfing, ect) it is obsurd to talk about a case that you follow on TV and NOT read transcript IMO and after that I will be ready to debate again with you have a nice week end..... If you bothered reading my messages you will see I did answer you. ok, in your opinion, it is normal that Laci was IN the toolbox, murder in the house, transport in the trunk, IN the boat and its ok that they have NO forensic NOWHERE ?? this is your answer? OK NO more debate..........
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Post by shadez on Aug 14, 2005 14:03:50 GMT -5
If you bothered reading my messages you will see I did answer you. ok, in your opinion, it is normal that Laci was IN the toolbox, murder in the house, transport in the trunk, IN the boat and its ok that they have NO forensic NOWHERE ?? this is your answer? OK NO more debate.......... They make this new stuff, its called cleaning solutions. No one knows where she died. California is a big place.
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Post by miles on Aug 14, 2005 14:04:54 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly Tracy, Scott needs a voice but so do 999 other men around the world on Death Row. Just because SP was a high profile case, let's not forget our other friends. Quite honestly, the SP situation is doing him no good whatsoever. Like I said, back and forth etc. As a rabid activist against DP, even I'm tired of the media bullsh*t. Goodness knows what Scott thinks. It will not help him at all. Didn't before. They say any publicity is good publicity... errrr. I beg to differ. Miles By you saying that he deserves a voice is in a sense asking us that believe he is guilty to say, ok, people convicted of murdering their wife and unborn baby deserve a right to speak out. That is what appeals are for, and in a sense, censorship. He was convicted by the media and the general public by HIS OWN actions. Then, by a jury. Let me ask this, say somehow, you found out right now, that he was guilty without question, would you still feel he deserves the rights to an open forum? I do not necessarily agree with the death penalty and actually at times feel bad that he is there. I can imagine how hard it was for him to adjust to an enviorenment that he is now. Mark Geragos screwed up, bottom line. He would have been better off with a public defender in my opinion. I feel bad for his parents and all involved, as Sharon Rocha stated, their were no winners. But I am sure, if it was anyone of our spouses, and we were innocent, we would not stand idly by while the press persecuted us. He did not portray ANYTHING CLOSE to someone who was concerned about finding his wife. It's beyond the realm of reasoning why he acted like he did. Well shadez you say as you find. all power to you. regarding this SP deal, I have NO idea who killed his family. But as an active member of this organisation I support ALL DR inmates, guilty or not. SP is NO different from the other 999 inmates here. He's now a DR inmate and we as an organisation will support him and his family. That doesn't mean we condone any of the DR inmates crimes. However this case in particular has nudged a hornets nest. Scott may be guilty or innocent. I haven't a clue (thank THAT to the media), so goodness knows what the jury felt, 'living thru it'.
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Post by thebutcher on Aug 14, 2005 14:07:31 GMT -5
ok, in your opinion, it is normal that Laci was IN the toolbox, murder in the house, transport in the trunk, IN the boat and its ok that they have NO forensic NOWHERE ?? this is your answer? OK NO more debate.......... They make this new stuff, its called cleaning solutions. No one knows where she died. California is a big place. ROLFMAO WOW....... OK BINGO we don t know where she died, but because SP behavior, he kill her.......bingo you just show me that it is NOT important to PROVE he did it, just BEHAVIOR convict him,thanks......
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Post by shadez on Aug 14, 2005 14:09:24 GMT -5
The media is not always out to hang. Alot of times they are for the defendent. The defendents actions basically determine how the media will react.
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Post by shadez on Aug 14, 2005 14:10:34 GMT -5
They make this new stuff, its called cleaning solutions. No one knows where she died. California is a big place. ROLFMAO WOW....... OK BINGO we don t know where she died, but because SP behavior, he kill her.......bingo you just show me that it is NOT important to PROVE he did it, just BEHAVIOR convict him,thanks...... Yes, it's called circumstantial evidence. Read up on it.
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Post by thebutcher on Aug 14, 2005 14:13:29 GMT -5
ROLFMAO WOW....... OK BINGO we don t know where she died, but because SP behavior, he kill her.......bingo you just show me that it is NOT important to PROVE he did it, just BEHAVIOR convict him,thanks...... Yes, it's called circumstantial evidence. Read up on it. LOL ok circumstencial BEHAVIOR ........ please my friend read the transcript of the case because with your posts, you don t KNOW this case at all and we will debate after......... until then see ya......
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Post by miles on Aug 14, 2005 14:14:05 GMT -5
The media is not always out to hang. Alot of times they are for the defendent. The defendents actions basically determine how the media will react. I'm not gonna get into this, but suffice to say my son is livin a LWOP in FL since the age of 15. His case was NATIONAL exposure and trust me, I believe the media like I believe Elton John is straight!
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Post by shadez on Aug 14, 2005 14:14:32 GMT -5
Yes, it's called circumstantial evidence. Read up on it. LOL ok circumstencial BEHAVIOR ........ please my friend read the transcript of the case and we will debate after......... until then see ya...... I have read it, many times. Maybe you should take your own advice and do the same.
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Post by shadez on Aug 14, 2005 14:16:05 GMT -5
The media is not always out to hang. Alot of times they are for the defendent. The defendents actions basically determine how the media will react. I'm not gonna get into this, but suffice to say my son is livin a LWOP in FL since the age of 15. His case was NATIONAL exposure and trust me, I believe the media like I believe Elton John is straight! Elton Johns not straight? <g> Sorry to hear that, hope all goes well for you and your son. Do you believe your son is innocent or guilty however?
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