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Post by nessynou on Feb 21, 2006 20:01:02 GMT -5
Dearest Judy,
You are so right that every woman should have the right to make the choice for themselves and that it should be paid for by the state. I myself could not have an abortion however in my friends situation, I can certainly understand why she went and had the termination done. I also agree that we need to make sure that sex education is prominent, especially in schools. Have a great day, Nessynou
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Post by attitude on Feb 22, 2006 0:34:33 GMT -5
I disagree... What you are doing is equating a baby to a convicted murderer. You need to remember that a murderer has the right to his life until the sentence is orderered to be carried out. For example if he is murdered on death row then the person responsible should be held accountable under the law (and I am not talking about execution)...I do not believe that convicted murderers should have a right to life...they weren't interested in their victim's rights so why should society consider their right to life... I do acept that he should have a right to trial and review if convicted Dear Kat, I consider myself to be anti-abortion but I support the right of choice for other women. Abortion is a personal matter and I do not believe anybody has the right to tell a woman she can or cannot have an abortion. I also do not believe that any man has any right on abortion as far as any woman having or not having one goes. What I draw the line at is people who say that abortion is wrong because though shall not kill and then say that it does not count when it comes to the State Murdering its people. I do not think anybody who supports CP can justify being anti-abortion. So you can be anti-abortion and for women's choice. Love and hugs, Judy
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Post by attitude on Feb 22, 2006 0:38:43 GMT -5
If you take that attitude then you have to say that every British participant in WWII who killed a German soldier was doing the wrong thing.. Every time someone kills an intruder in their home who was trying to attack them - you call them a murderer You are either pro-life or against life. Anti-abortion, Anti-CP. Pro-Abortion, Pro-CP. You cannot be one and not the other on the basis of morals, killing is right or killing is wrong. People keep complaining about a foetus not having human rights, so if they did have human rights and are people, what difference does it make as to who that person is an inconvenience to? That would make abortion and CP murder.
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Post by judywaits4u on Feb 22, 2006 7:59:04 GMT -5
If you take that attitude then you have to say that every British participant in WWII who killed a German soldier was doing the wrong thing.. Every time someone kills an intruder in their home who was trying to attack them - you call them a murderer You are either pro-life or against life. Anti-abortion, Anti-CP. Pro-Abortion, Pro-CP. You cannot be one and not the other on the basis of morals, killing is right or killing is wrong. People keep complaining about a foetus not having human rights, so if they did have human rights and are people, what difference does it make as to who that person is an inconvenience to? That would make abortion and CP murder. If you are fighting to save their own life or the life of others, then they are not doing anything wrong. If a policeman kills somebody to prevent them from killing themselves or somebody else they are doing no wrong. Self defence is a complete defence. Abortion and CP are the intentional taking of life and I do not support either: I do however believe that my beliefs on abortion cannot over-ride the wishes of the women concerned when it comes to abotion.
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Post by skyloom on Feb 22, 2006 9:41:21 GMT -5
If you take that attitude then you have to say that every British participant in WWII who killed a German soldier was doing the wrong thing.. Every time someone kills an intruder in their home who was trying to attack them - you call them a murderer Every time a woman kills the intruder in her body, you call her a murderer.
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Post by skyloom on Feb 22, 2006 9:56:18 GMT -5
What you are doing is equating a baby to a convicted murderer. No one is equating a baby to a murderer... and hyperbole doesn't help your argument. Fine. You are entitled to your beliefs. Still, though, the right to life is a right. The individual can relinquish it voluntarily, but the state cannot take it away legally. A moral society does not make its laws respecting the upholding of human rights contingent upon what individual members of that society choose to do or how individual members of that society choose to act. A moral society may impose sanctions upon its members who choose to disregard its laws and mores, but it does not permit itself to become no better than the most depraved of its members.
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Post by jennaleigh on Feb 27, 2006 0:51:08 GMT -5
Judy you're contradicting yourself. You say a man should have no right in the decision a woman makes about her body and she should be able to terminate pregnancy if she so chooses. It doesn't matter what the father of the child wants? Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with execution at all, but for you to say that it's justified to abort an innocent life but not justified to execute the presumed guilty is hypocritical at the least.
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Post by judywaits4u on Feb 27, 2006 4:00:44 GMT -5
Judy you're contradicting yourself. You say a man should have no right in the decision a woman makes about her body and she should be able to terminate pregnancy if she so chooses. It doesn't matter what the father of the child wants? Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with execution at all, but for you to say that it's justified to abort an innocent life but not justified to execute the presumed guilty is hypocritical at the least. Dear Jennaleigh, If you had read what I wrote, I said that I am anti-abortion and I therefore do not justify it. However this is a personal, moral and ethical decision that can only be made by the woman concerned. A man has no say on whether or not the woman he got pregnant has a termination or not, which is as it should be. My anti-abortion beliefs are based on my religion: However I cannot impose those beliefs on other women, who must make their own decisions. Also only a fool would say that abortion is never a right decision to make, for various reasons. Love and hugs, Judy
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Post by jennaleigh on Feb 27, 2006 10:20:42 GMT -5
No, Judy, what you said was that you're anti-abortion, but at the same time you also believe that a woman has a right to do what she wishes with her body. So, that, in itself is contradictory. You can't be anti-abortion and at the same time say that it's ok if a woman chooses to terminate a pregnancy. It's either black or white, no shaded area. I just don't see the logic in your opinion as to the comment you made regarding DR prisoners versus pregnancy. If you have a family member on DR I'll admit I can't possibly know your pain and for that you have my sympathy. I just think anti-death should be just that, anti-death. In any circumstance.
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Post by skyloom on Feb 27, 2006 10:33:21 GMT -5
You say a man should have no right in the decision a woman makes about her body and she should be able to terminate pregnancy if she so chooses. Look at the way you asked the question! You reference "HER body" yet you would have someone else make a decision about "HER body." A woman's body does not belong to a man... not even to the man she marries. What child? There is no child involved in a discussion of abortion. There may be a zygote, an embryo, or a fetus involved, but there is no child involved. You haven't addressed the cause of the innocent woman. What has the woman done wrong who faces an unintended and unwanted pregnancy? Isn't it rather silly to be concerned with the alleged innocence of a zygote, a zygote that lacks the ability and autonomy to choose either guilt or innocenct anyhow, while ignoring the actual innocence of an adult woman entirely?
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