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Post by judywaits4u on Feb 8, 2006 14:23:16 GMT -5
Jeb Bush joined the Catholic Church knowing that the Church says that there is no justification for capital punishment in the USA. GWB Says, That life is a God given right and no government has the right to take it away, so he becomes responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of people. GWB complains that it is wrong for Iran to have nucleur weapons but has the biggest stock in the world.
Something is definately wrong there somehow.
Love and hugs, Judy
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Post by sdl on Feb 8, 2006 23:40:54 GMT -5
Anybody named Bush in government...something is DEFINITELY wrong
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Post by skyloom on Feb 9, 2006 9:34:55 GMT -5
Jeb Bush joined the Catholic Church knowing that the Church says that there is no justification for capital punishment in the USA. Unfortunately, the Pope's thinking on capital punishment hasn't trickled down to the people in the pews. My Catholic cousin, who lives in Florida, suggests that the local pastor might see a good bit less in the collection plate if the Sunday sermon focused on the Pope's statements about the death penalty and the obligation of Catholics to examine their own consciences with regard to the topic. A whole lot is wrong, Judy. Bush, like many Christians (and people of other faiths as well) hears the parts of the message he wants to hear and is deaf to the rest.
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Post by oneofthepursleys on Feb 9, 2006 13:46:05 GMT -5
WEll until the system works for all and not for the ones that can afford the high dollar lawyers, how can anyone justify the DP. I am certain that in GP here in Texas we have more MURDERERS waiting to home than we do MURDERERS living on DR. So how can we truly say all murderers should die, when in fact you only blast the ones accused of murder on DR. I just wish some of you pros would address the system that you think so much of that kills in a barbaric manner, and because of who you are, who they may or may not have killed, how much money they have, chooses to let some live. After all the systems works!!!!!! It must!!!!!! We still hve the DP and we are still releasing murderers, rapist, child molesters, career criminals, out of prison every day to possibly repeat their previous crimes. But.....lets make sure we kill all those on DR because they deserve to die because they killed someone...I once knew someone on DR that had previously committed two others murders before he was sentenced to death. What? WE have people right now that walk around in our society that have actually killed someone. I believe at the right moment, at the right time,in a rage of fear,anger, desperation we all could become a MURDERER.
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Post by judywaits4u on Feb 9, 2006 17:27:18 GMT -5
Dear Ellie, There is a very good reason why all murders are not eligible for the death penalty, it is because the laws of common purpose in the USA.
One day the International Court of Justice is going to declare that Capital Punishment in the USA is murder, so if all murder was punishable with death and with the laws of common purpose, not only the people directly involved with these murders would be eligible for the death penalty but also every Pro-CP supporter and then over half of the population of the USA would be placed on death row.
Love and hugs, Judy
PS: We live in hope that CP is deemed illegal soon.
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Post by sdl on Feb 10, 2006 2:13:45 GMT -5
Judy..
Like the USA (and Bush!tler) is going to care what the ICJ says? All they do is laugh at it
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Post by skyloom on Feb 10, 2006 8:48:25 GMT -5
WEll until the system works for all and not for the ones that can afford the high dollar lawyers, how can anyone justify the DP. I am certain that in GP here in Texas we have more MURDERERS waiting to home than we do MURDERERS living on DR. So how can we truly say all murderers should die, when in fact you only blast the ones accused of murder on DR. I just wish some of you pros would address the system that you think so much of that kills in a barbaric manner, and because of who you are, who they may or may not have killed, how much money they have, chooses to let some live. After all the systems works!!!!!! It must!!!!!! We still hve the DP and we are still releasing murderers, rapist, child molesters, career criminals, out of prison every day to possibly repeat their previous crimes. But.....lets make sure we kill all those on DR because they deserve to die because they killed someone...I once knew someone on DR that had previously committed two others murders before he was sentenced to death. What? WE have people right now that walk around in our society that have actually killed someone. A died-in-the-wool pro would answer that because of the weak-minded anti folks, society is prevented from executing everyone who has committed a murder. They would say that if ten murders are committed each day, there should be ten executions each day. Of course, to an anti it would seem more logical to execute no one, since executing a murderer only serves to make all of society more accepting of violence and, consequently, more violent.
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Post by oneofthepursleys on Feb 10, 2006 12:29:27 GMT -5
I agree and my point being that the DP should be abolished on the grounds of the system that promotes it. Anyone with half a mind and any heart at all would see that something has to be done to protect the innocense of some of the DR inmates. I just get so angry at the jabs that are made from people that know NOTHING about the accused, other than the law said so. You would have to have been from a family of "law makers" to see what I am trying to say. The things the system will do for a conviction makes me sick to even think about it. I know what I am talking about because I have witness the injustice taking place and kept my mouth shut. Until now that the shoe has been place on the other foot and the pain became more real than anyone should ever have to endure. Do I believe in punishment...you better believe I do...just not death...never death.
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Post by Whyspurr on Feb 10, 2006 13:30:04 GMT -5
Dear Whyspurr, Only recently GWB said again that "If CP does not act as a deterent, there is no justification for retaining it". Love and hugs, Judy ANd you are the one who calls him an idiot, this time I totally agree with you ...raises a hand...Uhm... I would be the anti who used the word "idiot" here. If he, as President of the United States, can call my nation’s Constitution “just a God damned piece of paper”? Well… I, as a tax paying and VOTING citizen of said country falling under the protections of said God damned piece of paper, just don’t feel any qualms about calling Mr. President (formerly known as the Texecutioner) an idiot, and a dangerous one at that… …though I do prefer “Mad King George”… ...and you know, somewhere on that God Damned Piece of Paper, I am guaranteed the right to freedom of speech...
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Post by kathy on Feb 11, 2006 1:53:13 GMT -5
Oh but just think what he could get done if he just had 8 more years in office!! He had counted on Jebby getting into the White House, thankfully he has screwed that one up! This country couldn't handle another damn Bush. We need a tree damn it, not a Bush!!
Don't forget to go to impeachbush.org and vote to impeach the bastard!
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Post by sdl on Feb 11, 2006 3:25:09 GMT -5
I live in Florida..I KNOW what he and Jebby did here in 2000 and 2004. Jeb will run...with rigged voting machines inat least 2 states, Jeb doesn't have to worry...but just in case Jeb loses in 2008, you watch. "Something" will happen and the elections will be suspended in the name of "national security." Wonder if the f*cking Feds are spying on us now? Bush doesn't believe in free speech. Here's an example of what "Free speech" in Florida is stpeteforpeace.org/palmharbor.htmlI've heard people DEFEND him trashing the Consititution..saying it's outdated and should be replaced; that in a time of war, he can ignore it, blah blah blah. I believe he once said that the EU needs tobe dismatled because they are pro-choice and anti-DP...
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Post by sdl on Feb 11, 2006 3:30:10 GMT -5
ANd you are the one who calls him an idiot, this time I totally agree with you ...raises a hand...Uhm... I would be the anti who used the word "idiot" here. If he, as President of the United States, can call my nation’s Constitution “just a God damned piece of paper”? Well… I, as a tax paying and VOTING citizen of said country falling under the protections of said God damned piece of paper, just don’t feel any qualms about calling Mr. President (formerly known as the Texecutioner) an idiot, and a dangerous one at that… …though I do prefer “Mad King George”… ...and you know, somewhere on that God Damned Piece of Paper, I am guaranteed the right to freedom of speech... Well, you know that "Free Speech" is a Commie trick... In California you have the racist son of a Nazi as your governor. Word is that some black actors will not work with him because he dropped the N word a few times. Is it just me, or has he not appeared in public since he murdered Tookie? Guess he realizes he isn't bulletproof...
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Post by skyloom on Feb 11, 2006 9:44:28 GMT -5
I just get so angry at the jabs that are made from people that know NOTHING about the accused, other than the law said so. I agree, and I know there are even executioners who suffer enormous pangs of conscience, but somehow manage to silence their consciences by telling themselves that the "law said so." I'm respectful of laws that make sense to me, but I'll question laws that don't make sense to me. If I am not satisfied with the answers I get I will continue to question and challenge those laws. But I've found that many people are afraid to do this sort of thing... afraid of losing a job or getting in trouble, or afraid of what someone else might think of them. I have found that while the people who might take away a job or who might try to defame a reputation are generally people I wouldn't want to work for or to associate with anyhow. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was so right in his approach. If you insist on your rights, even when there's a cost, eventually the people who are opposing you will show their "true colors" to the world, and the world will be disgusted at what they show. Well, if by punishment you mean restraining someone from doing harm to another person, I would agree. But I also believe that punishment has to be a temporary step. The next step is correction. All I can say comes from my experiences raising kids. Yes, you do have to send them to their room or sit them down in a "time out" chair. But after that, when I and they felt calmer, we talked about what would have been a better thing to do in a particular situation. Usually they came up with several alternatives, and the next time a similar situation came up they at least didn't repeat the same mistakes as before. I think that while we may have to restrain people for a time in prison, it's important that they access counseling, job training, educational opportunities, and whatever else will help them see other choices in life. I think that if that were done the very first time someone gets in trouble, there would be a lot fewer repeat crimes and probably a lot fewer of the more serious crimes committed.
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Post by skyloom on Feb 11, 2006 9:54:56 GMT -5
I've heard people DEFEND him trashing the Consititution..saying it's outdated and should be replaced; that in a time of war, he can ignore it, blah blah blah. Well, there probably are some elements in the Constitution that are outdated... the Electoral College, for instance. But there are legitimate ways of dealing with those kinds of issues. The Constitution can be amended, or a Constitutional Convention can be assembled if the whole document needs a re-write. Meanwhile, though, everyone must follow the laws and procedures set out in the Constitution. War or no war. History shows that when the government has ignored Constitutional limits, it's led to terrible mistakes for which most citizens feel deeply ashamed. I believe that one day almost everyone will feel deeply ashamed of the Bush administration. If not, heaven help us all.
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Post by Whyspurr on Feb 12, 2006 3:26:15 GMT -5
I've heard people DEFEND him trashing the Consititution..saying it's outdated and should be replaced; that in a time of war, he can ignore it, blah blah blah. Well, there probably are some elements in the Constitution that are outdated... the Electoral College, for instance. But there are legitimate ways of dealing with those kinds of issues. The Constitution can be amended, or a Constitutional Convention can be assembled if the whole document needs a re-write. Meanwhile, though, everyone must follow the laws and procedures set out in the Constitution. War or no war. History shows that when the government has ignored Constitutional limits, it's led to terrible mistakes for which most citizens feel deeply ashamed. I believe that one day almost everyone will feel deeply ashamed of the Bush administration. If not, heaven help us all. I've heard people say he's a good President... I say... "Impeachment... it's not just for blowjobs anymore" And Suz... I'm with you 100% here... and incidentally, I didn't vote for the Nazi... but yes, he's been out... mostly in my neighborhood (which is strongly white bread conservative republican)... blah
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