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Post by attitude on Jan 9, 2006 5:26:33 GMT -5
NessyNou,
They have from time to time banned pro activists, however if your are an activist you would expect a very aggressive and unpleasant response
WHOOPS - I meant anti activists
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Post by attitude on Jan 9, 2006 5:27:56 GMT -5
NessyNou, They have from time to time banned pro activists, however if your are an activist you would expect a very aggressive and unpleasant response On a more serious note, email the admin and ask.... You may have been caught up in when they were trying to ban someone else.
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Post by nessynou on Jan 9, 2006 5:38:55 GMT -5
NessyNou, They have from time to time banned pro activists, however if your are an activist you would expect a very aggressive and unpleasant response To be quite honest, I am not fazed at all by being banned. I was pretty much just wondering why. And my reason for registering was to just see what was said on the board.
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Post by attitude on Jan 9, 2006 5:58:12 GMT -5
To be honest I was banned as well, I was a bit shocked at first, but then I got over it. One thing I realised is that certain members of that board tend feel rather omnipotent "Yes I know what you are thinking even though I live 10000miles away, never met ya, know idea about how you live but I know what you really think " I think however any pro who comes over here with the sole purpose of being banned so they can run back and boast about how the CCADP does not respect free speech. I tended to have not agreed with every ban, and have vocalised that. , NessyNou, They have from time to time banned pro activists, however if your are an activist you would expect a very aggressive and unpleasant response To be quite honest, I am not fazed at all by being banned. I was pretty much just wondering why. And my reason for registering was to just see what was said on the board.
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Post by nessynou on Jan 9, 2006 6:11:24 GMT -5
Cyclone, I was more shocked at the fact that I hadn't even said anything at all!!!! I had looked at a couple of the threads there, went back there tonight to have a bit more of a look and get this message saying I had been banned. The thing is that they are over there saying how CCADP ban all pros, but here they are banning an anti that has even said anything!!! But oh well, these things happen!!!
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Post by anna on Jan 9, 2006 9:56:07 GMT -5
I read this thread and decided to go and register with the pro board, just to see what they say seen as though I am an anti. Havent even posted a single word and next thing I know I am banned!!! What would be the G.O. with that??? hmmm, don't know. Maybe they thought you were someone else, e.g. your ip may be similar to someone elses. That's certainly a possibility Suzanne. If you wish nessynou-i could ask Doc or Charlene why you were banned. I hope Charlene goes through with her idea of possibly putting up a debate section like you have here. That'd let antis benefit more from the 1st admendment without getting banned. I'm furious towards antis who go to the victim memorial threads-some of which i authored-and attack or show disrespect towards the victim. Doing that should be a cyber death sentence and dio was banned for mucking up the Samantha Runnion memorial thread over there among other things. Banning is a punishment only if the banned person understands WHY. Without the justification it's just a cyber death sentence. MyAmber20 and her sister both log in on the same computer i suspect. Also Andie has a twin sister named laur who posts on the pro-board and uses an avatar pic showing both her and andie together. Incidentally andie asked me to see if she could be allowed back here and i said i'd ask. Someone has to tell her the rules here. I mean i never say stuff like "Fry 'em!" I'm a "soft-core pro" as Dio said and don't support this revenge stuff.
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Post by anna on Jan 9, 2006 10:05:17 GMT -5
I tend to support the death penalty for a wide range of murders, particurly in the broad circumstances of murder during a commision of a felony or where someone had deliberately set out to murder someone. Also I would support the death penalty in circumstances where people although not specifically intending death, act in a manner where a reasonable person would realise you are risking someone's life (eg a women is facing murder charges after her child died of a methodone overdose. She did not deliberately feed the stuff to the child, but kept it in the type of container that the child drinks out of normally) although I would be more open to mercy... I maybe the extremist type pro about who should get the death penalty. But I don't think anybody should be executed until they have a fair hearing in court. From what I can see some of those on death row have not had that. Not all those who are alleged not to have a fair trial but there are some. I recall the case of Robert Miller from Oklahoma who was cleared by DNA evidence that also implicated another suspect. A type of innocent sent to death row where there was little doubt that he was actually innocent....However I am sure a prodp supporter could put together a lengthy list of murder victims murdered by those previously of murder... Let me clarify some of my beliefs... if one gangbanger set out deliberately to kill another gangbanger, yes he should get the death penalty as the second gangbanger still has a right to live even though he is a criminal (Even the not-so-innocent have a right to life - unless of course tha right is taken from them after a criminal proeeding) I feel the death penalty should be standard procedure against these sadistic serial killers, sex offenders-who are commonly called-can i say it Suzanne? -predators. I'm convinced these deliberate and evil hobby murders can be reduced or deterred to some extent when the death penaltry is the response to them. I feel it sends a deterring message to those capable of this form of murder. Not all of them will refrain from these murders, but i'm convinced some would. Gangbangers who grew up on Mean Street and don't know anything else could at least resonably hope for mercy from me and probably receive it..
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Post by nessynou on Jan 9, 2006 17:02:41 GMT -5
Anna, Don't worry about asking why I was banned. It's cool. Like I said before I am not fazed at all about it.
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Post by anna on Jan 10, 2006 0:43:27 GMT -5
Anna, Don't worry about asking why I was banned. It's cool. Like I said before I am not fazed at all about it. Well i was fazed about being banned here without a word said. True we're guests here and on other forums, but at least in America we have a first admendment tradition. In Germany where i live this wasn't always so. I feel it's good to talk things out and even if we don't agree we learn how the other person thinks. I guess reading Orwell's 1984 scared me a bit too. What happens when these debates and exchanges are forbidden and non-existent. True i got emotional when MyAmber20 was being accused of certain things. I guess it's not part of your program to try to help people like her. I have every reason to believe she's fully sincere. but maybe i shouldn't discuss her on this site anymore if only more accusations are directed towards her as a result.
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Post by sdl on Jan 10, 2006 2:16:05 GMT -5
I know *I* would be banned
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Post by attitude on Jan 10, 2006 3:00:37 GMT -5
The reason why I still believe the "gangbanger" should be at risk of death penalty becuase of the shocking inhumanity these individuals can show to each other... Let me give you an example of a worst case scenario gangbanger. A man named Michael Kanaan is now a resident of NSW jails until he leaves in a box, he was a gangbanger.... He is serving life for the murder of his crime boss Danny Karam...will you tell Karam's wife and kid that he deserves mercy becuase he had a tough life. Karam was setup and murdered, it was no murder during an argument. Kanaan also was sentence to life for the murders of two people outside a pub. He pulled up in a vehicle and saw 3 men fighting and decided to kill 'em. Also some of his other exploits included being part of a gang which shot up Lakemba Police station, and being involved in a shoot out with Police in Sydney The attached tells you of one of his scams while serving LWOP (or natural life in local parlance) www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/09/1036308528685.htmlYou see some people have this idea that some gangbangers are victims of the system, but many are like Kanaan, pure evil
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Post by robert on Jan 10, 2006 12:44:08 GMT -5
YES! I believe pro-DPs should be ENCOURAGED to write and vent here. I have written on pro-DP sites and I often find that my opinions get deleted -- even when they are noninflammatory and intellectual.
It is fine to have a site where everyone agrees with each other, but if there is going to be change, then people who don't agree need to be engaged.
We are dealing with an emotional issue. We are going to elicit emotional responses. It will be very hard for those who have lost friends and family members to brutal murders to accept an anti-DP position. The same can be said for those friends and family members of an executed loved-one when there is a pro-DP statement.
Frankly, if someone feels that they can handle a little abuse hurled their way, I would recommend that some antis post on pro-DP sites. Be sure to bone up on your facts and know the proper response for an argument. You may find that you engage some who read and post on pro sites to question the DP.
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Post by anna on Jan 10, 2006 18:41:16 GMT -5
YES! I believe pro-DPs should be ENCOURAGED to write and vent here. I have written on pro-DP sites and I often find that my opinions get deleted -- even when they are noninflammatory and intellectual. It is fine to have a site where everyone agrees with each other, but if there is going to be change, then people who don't agree need to be engaged. We are dealing with an emotional issue. We are going to elicit emotional responses. It will be very hard for those who have lost friends and family members to brutal murders to accept an anti-DP position. The same can be said for those friends and family members of an executed loved-one when there is a pro-DP statement. Frankly, if someone feels that they can handle a little abuse hurled their way, I would recommend that some antis post on pro-DP sites. Be sure to bone up on your facts and know the proper response for an argument. You may find that you engage some who read and post on pro sites to question the DP. Actually some antis prefer to post on the pro site. There are many more visitors there. One anti felt ccadp was not interested in discussion and it's sole purpose was support for certain death row inmates. Actually a lot of antis aren't really concerned with the fate of these death row inmates, but fear for the rest of humanity and feel these executions have a brutalising effect on society. To avoid this they wish to have the murderer or accused murderer locked away and forgotten..out of sight out of mind..and if the convict slips on a bar of soap in prison and breaks his/her neck these antis could care less, because their priority is simply the rest of humanity...
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Post by robert on Jan 11, 2006 0:55:45 GMT -5
YES! I believe pro-DPs should be ENCOURAGED to write and vent here. I have written on pro-DP sites and I often find that my opinions get deleted -- even when they are noninflammatory and intellectual. It is fine to have a site where everyone agrees with each other, but if there is going to be change, then people who don't agree need to be engaged. We are dealing with an emotional issue. We are going to elicit emotional responses. It will be very hard for those who have lost friends and family members to brutal murders to accept an anti-DP position. The same can be said for those friends and family members of an executed loved-one when there is a pro-DP statement. Frankly, if someone feels that they can handle a little abuse hurled their way, I would recommend that some antis post on pro-DP sites. Be sure to bone up on your facts and know the proper response for an argument. You may find that you engage some who read and post on pro sites to question the DP. Actually some antis prefer to post on the pro site. There are many more visitors there. One anti felt ccadp was not interested in discussion and it's sole purpose was support for certain death row inmates. Actually a lot of antis aren't really concerned with the fate of these death row inmates, but fear for the rest of humanity and feel these executions have a brutalising effect on society. To avoid this they wish to have the murderer or accused murderer locked away and forgotten..out of sight out of mind..and if the convict slips on a bar of soap in prison and breaks his/her neck these antis could care less, because their priority is simply the rest of humanity... I have no doubt that you are correct. People are pro or anti for a number of reasons. Personally, I am concerned about prisoner welfare and reform so my interests tend to go beyond DP per se and into how the prisons themselves are run -- and not just for the good of inmates, but also those who keep guard.
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Post by anti4eva on Jan 11, 2006 11:57:33 GMT -5
YES! I believe pro-DPs should be ENCOURAGED to write and vent here. I have written on pro-DP sites and I often find that my opinions get deleted -- even when they are noninflammatory and intellectual. It is fine to have a site where everyone agrees with each other, but if there is going to be change, then people who don't agree need to be engaged. We are dealing with an emotional issue. We are going to elicit emotional responses. It will be very hard for those who have lost friends and family members to brutal murders to accept an anti-DP position. The same can be said for those friends and family members of an executed loved-one when there is a pro-DP statement. Frankly, if someone feels that they can handle a little abuse hurled their way, I would recommend that some antis post on pro-DP sites. Be sure to bone up on your facts and know the proper response for an argument. You may find that you engage some who read and post on pro sites to question the DP. Brilliantly put, I 100% agree with you.
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