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Post by andie on Jan 6, 2006 18:34:48 GMT -5
but actions are different then words. This doesn't mean I'm going to kill someone who is opposed to the DP. Unlike those who actually commit murderer. There the ones with the violent fantasies ( pre-meditated) and they actually act on them. Life is a privllege, you have the right to live it the way you want but it can be taken away from you if you do something wrong like kill someone...the only way to be protected against the DP is not to kill anyone..however how can you be protected against a murderer. It can happen anytime anywhere. cool reply andie ..and you are right here ... life IS a privilege but none has a right to take a life ..not an innocent one nor a guilty one .. who are we to play god ... and about murder you are too right .. this sh*t can happen anytime anywhere .. its sad but its so damn true ... Mo-DAWG Okay um what was I going to say oh yeah, I wouldn't be pro DP if the punishments weren't so lenient. You can say revenge or I'm bitter but whatever I don't think its fair that a prisoner after 25 years gets to be back on the streets, I don't think its fair that they get university degrees for free while the public who didn't do anything wrong has to work their butt off just to pay for college. I don't think its fair that a prisoner gets three meals a day when their are children and people straving ( who also havent done anything wrong) on the streets. I just think that the only way to pay for a henious crime is with your life. Using my privllige thing again..drivers licence for example if you kill someone either intoxicate dor not ur sentenced and stuff but ur licence is taken away for good. If life is a privllege and u murder someone isn't it kind of the same thing? You serve your 2 day sentence and on to the lethal injection part. BTW life should mean life...either wayLWOP or the DP..you leave when you die. and none of this prisoners getting Mcdonalds!
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jan 6, 2006 18:40:23 GMT -5
cool reply andie ..and you are right here ... life IS a privilege but none has a right to take a life ..not an innocent one nor a guilty one .. who are we to play god ... and about murder you are too right .. this sh*t can happen anytime anywhere .. its sad but its so damn true ... Mo-DAWG Okay um what was I going to say oh yeah, I wouldn't be pro DP if the punishments weren't so lenient. You can say revenge or I'm bitter but whatever I don't think its fair that a prisoner after 25 years gets to be back on the streets, I don't think its fair that they get university degrees for free while the public who didn't do anything wrong has to work their butt off just to pay for college. I don't think its fair that a prisoner gets three meals a day when their are children and people straving ( who also havent done anything wrong) on the streets. I just think that the only way to pay for a henious crime is with your life. Using my privllige thing again..drivers licence for example if you kill someone either intoxicate dor not ur sentenced and stuff but ur licence is taken away for good. If life is a privllege and u murder someone isn't it kind of the same thing? You serve your 2 day sentence and on to the lethal injection part. well yes in canada the punishments are too lenient .. and the US has the dp ... both is sh*t ... without the dp the US laws are ok for most murder cases ... life means being eligible for parole after 40 years (emphasis on ELIGIBLE ...but they never let people out with the 1st parole hearing) and lwop MEANS lwop (you ll leave prison tits up...) ...and yes prisoners get fed 3 meals a day ... but well why doesnt the state let em work? ..oh and mc donalds? well maybe it was more of a punishment if they HAD to eat that stuff ... uuuuagh... Mo-DAWG
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Post by paleone on Jan 6, 2006 18:42:44 GMT -5
*bites tongue* um......do you know WHAT LWOP means? it is LIFE WITHOUT parole... that means NO PAROLE....you are mixing the words "life" and "LWOP" LIFE is when they have 25-40 years. LWOP is exactly that. I am not trying to sound like a Bitch because i am not. but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. In Canada LWOP (bites tounge) is 25 years!!! If you recieve life you can applky for parole within 10-20 years of your sentence. then it isn't LWOP...LWOP stands for Life WITHOUT parole...there is the phrase "life" in prison, which is what you just described, they are eligible after like 25 years.. ok it's been about 20 minutes since i started this post...i just went and looked up canadian law...i found the national parole board for canada and it never used the phrase "life without parole. the only thing it says is this: 0. Myth
A life sentence in Canada means that offenders only have to serve 25 years before they are released.
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A life sentence means life. Lifers will never again enjoy total freedom.
Offenders, convicted of first-degree murder, serve life as a minimum sentence with their first parole eligibility set by law at 25 years. For offenders convicted of second-degree murder, the judge may set parole eligibility at a point between 10 and 25 years.
Lifers can only be released from prison if granted parole by the Board. Unlike most inmates who are serving a sentence of fixed length, i.e. 2, 10, or 20 years, lifers are not entitled to statutory release. If granted parole they will, for the rest of their lives, remain subject to the conditions of parole and the supervision of a parole officer. Parole may be revoked and offenders returned to prison at any time if they violate the conditions of parole or commit a new offence.
Not all lifers will be granted parole. Some may never be released on parole because they continue to represent too great a risk to re-offend. now that we have clarified that canada does not call it LWOP, it calls it "life" they are two completely different sentences....now, again, no offense, but as a canadian, i'd think you woudl know how to find your own country's main website..i got to that through the main canadian government website: www.canada.gc.cai am not trying to sound mean, really i am not, i just think if you are going to argue a topic, at least look it up first...or at least admit a mistake...if i misquote something i am the first to call out my own error...you have reiterated the same "concept" of LWOP, yet your own government's website did not refer to it as LWOP.
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Post by andie on Jan 6, 2006 18:51:47 GMT -5
In Canada LWOP (bites tounge) is 25 years!!! If you recieve life you can applky for parole within 10-20 years of your sentence. then it isn't LWOP...LWOP stands for Life WITHOUT parole...there is the phrase "life" in prison, which is what you just described, they are eligible after like 25 years.. ok it's been about 20 minutes since i started this post...i just went and looked up canadian law...i found the national parole board for canada and it never used the phrase "life without parole. the only thing it says is this: 0. Myth
A life sentence in Canada means that offenders only have to serve 25 years before they are released.
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A life sentence means life. Lifers will never again enjoy total freedom.
Offenders, convicted of first-degree murder, serve life as a minimum sentence with their first parole eligibility set by law at 25 years. For offenders convicted of second-degree murder, the judge may set parole eligibility at a point between 10 and 25 years.
Lifers can only be released from prison if granted parole by the Board. Unlike most inmates who are serving a sentence of fixed length, i.e. 2, 10, or 20 years, lifers are not entitled to statutory release. If granted parole they will, for the rest of their lives, remain subject to the conditions of parole and the supervision of a parole officer. Parole may be revoked and offenders returned to prison at any time if they violate the conditions of parole or commit a new offence.
Not all lifers will be granted parole. Some may never be released on parole because they continue to represent too great a risk to re-offend. now that we have clarified that canada does not call it LWOP, it calls it "life" they are two completely different sentences....now, again, no offense, but as a canadian, i'd think you woudl know how to find your own country's main website..i got to that through the main canadian government website: www.canada.gc.cai am not trying to sound mean, really i am not, i just think if you are going to argue a topic, at least look it up first...or at least admit a mistake...if i misquote something i am the first to call out my own error...you have reiterated the same "concept" of LWOP, yet your own government's website did not refer to it as LWOP. Okay fine I'm wrong but in school I'm learning that LWOP is 25 years.
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Post by paleone on Jan 6, 2006 18:58:45 GMT -5
ok, not sure what it is like in canada, so i might be wrong. but inmates do NOT get free college courses...they MAY get free GED training for their highschool diploma..but the inmate PAYS for their college courses...i have friends getting their degree in prison and they pay for the college courses just like any other citizen, the college does it through mail so it is cheaper than regular college courses, but they do not get it free...
as far as innocence claims...i have through my time in this written about 16 or 17 prisoners, 2 of which are now dead, and a few have dropped off within the past year and a half...i only now write 7 or 8...ANYWAYS, of those 17, 4 claimed innocence...the rest had not...and 2 are innocent, one of which is richard cartwright, second i will keep to myself for now as he is still in appeals and i have seen his case info, and "lack" of evidence...i get the entire case file in a few weeks hopefully...regardless, 1 person was guilty by law of parties and so he technically "is guilty" by that law...the 4th, i do not believe his innocence claim and dropped him due to his lies...so there you have it, 14 people who admitted fault to me or at least "being present" when the crime happened...
it is completely myth that inmates ALLLL claim to be innocent....SOME innocence claims are only in reference to their charge..if someone commited manslaughter but were charged of 1st degree murder, then they are innocent of 1st degree but not manslaughter..and then there are some who are in prison based on botched investigations, coerced "witnesses", and also witnesses who commited purgery...i am not naive enough to say that "everyone" or even "most" on death row are innocent. but people are exonerated all the time...over 120 people have been exonerated off death row, and there are hundreds that are released from prison for regular sentences....regardless, there is in fact "error" in the system...
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Post by paleone on Jan 6, 2006 19:00:47 GMT -5
Okay fine I'm wrong but in school I'm learning that LWOP is 25 years. thank you..you have my respect..not sure if you care that you have it...but anyone who can admit error are showing at least some intergrity... ha not only do i admit when i am wrong, but i make fun of myself when i do so
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Post by andie on Jan 6, 2006 19:03:19 GMT -5
Okay fine I'm wrong but in school I'm learning that LWOP is 25 years. thank you..you have my respect..not sure if you care that you have it...but anyone who can admit error are showing at least some intergrity... ha not only do i admit when i am wrong, but i make fun of myself when i do so Well I can't help that I'm not learing in school..and our law teacher doesn't correct us but whatever.
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Post by CCADP on Jan 6, 2006 19:05:20 GMT -5
Actually I think Andie is right about the college education thng here in Canada. I am not 100 percent sure - its possible they may have to pay for higher education - but I think that the gov actually does. The thinking is to give offenders a future and break the cycle of failure but it can seem unfair when people outside can't afford an education. But I'm an NDPer - I think higher education should be free to all of us.
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Post by andie on Jan 6, 2006 19:08:57 GMT -5
Actually I think Andie is right about the college education thng here in Canada. I am not 100 percent sure - its possible they may have to pay for higher education - but I think that the gov actually does. The thinking is to give offenders a future and break the cycle of failure but it can seem unfair when people outside can't afford an education. But I'm an NDPer - I think higher education should be free to all of us. YES I think it should be free too! See that's why I believe that criminals should be given harsher actions for there crime. Give free schooling to those who deserve it!!!!!!!! Not Criminals!!!
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Post by andie on Jan 6, 2006 19:17:45 GMT -5
yet in some states if my cousin was murdered in florida that prisoner will be fried or if not get executed because in florida the DP is not a fantasy it does exist. That does not mean that they will definately be executed. my fingers are crossed that true justice will be served and to me that is the DP
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Post by andie on Jan 6, 2006 19:25:11 GMT -5
Andie, My pen pal was having an affair with her. She was beaten to death and left in a abandoned shed. My pen pal was in jail on a parole violation the day she was murdered. I can go on and on about his innocence but I will leave it at that for now. A huge problem here in the US is that these crimes are not investigated enough. They tend to pick the first person that comes along. Andie, stop for just a minute and imagine that you are being blamed for something you did not do. You are found guilty and go to DR where you wait to die. Can you imagine what you would go through? Can you imagine a worse torture? If he was in jail on the day of the murder he has an alibi so whoever charged him for that crime is on crack. Secondly if you disobey a parole agreement ( In Canada I believe I don't know about where your from) I think you serve the remainder of your past sentence...or is it if you commit a similar crime I don't know.
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Post by andie on Jan 6, 2006 19:33:03 GMT -5
Technically its not revenge for me (if I'm the one murdered) it was the judges/ or jurors descision..yet for my family they wouldn't be all that sad to see a murderer go bye.... oh i see ...you want revenge for your butt and your family wants it too but they forward the responsibility to the judge and the jurors to demand revenge for you .. sh*t what kind of family do you have if they dont even openly name what they want .... hope they ll at least pay for the drinks and the bbq ... (the guests can collect money for your watering can in return... deal?) ... Mo-DAWG It still is the judge's decision and or juruors decision to impose the DP..not the MVF too right?
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Post by kathy on Jan 6, 2006 19:34:40 GMT -5
If he had had to do his previous time he would have been out long before now. There is so much garbage in his court documents it would stun you. He has only one more appeal. If something is not done he will have died an innocent man.
So you see Andie, there is a lot to be considered with the DP. It is not all cut and dried as some would make it out to be. The fact that there are innocent people on DR is the number one reason it should be abolished!
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jan 6, 2006 19:35:01 GMT -5
oh i see ...you want revenge for your butt and your family wants it too but they forward the responsibility to the judge and the jurors to demand revenge for you .. sh*t what kind of family do you have if they dont even openly name what they want .... hope they ll at least pay for the drinks and the bbq ... (the guests can collect money for your watering can in return... deal?) ... Mo-DAWG It still is the judge's decision and or juruors decision to impose the DP..not the MVF too right? aaaah calm down girl .. .i was just playing a lil ... i know whos decision it is ... you ll get used to my ways of posting in time ... Mo-DAWG
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jan 6, 2006 19:58:46 GMT -5
If he had had to do his previous time he would have been out long before now. There is so much garbage in his court documents it would stun you. He has only one more appeal. If something is not done he will have died an innocent man. So you see Andie, there is a lot to be considered with the DP. It is not all cut and dried as some would make it out to be. The fact that there are innocent people on DR is the number one reason it should be abolished! I still don't care I'll always be for the DP..but his case does seem kinda weird I mean he had an alibi..if no one picked that out then I feel so sorry for your justice system because there on crack. He was in it the whole day the crime happened right? Cause if he was get a lawyer a good one and fight it.... but to those who are truly gulity of a crime and are sentenced to death then they deserved it. NO human being DESERVES to die andie ... wheres your humanity? yes i know you might say where was the murderers humanity when he committed the crime ... but do you really wanna compare yourself to the murderer? be on the same level he was on? do you want people to die cuz you can hide behind some "law" to justify your lust of seeing that person dead ... well then you are no "better" than the murderer was when he committed the crime .. you just found a justification to pretend to be "better" cuz you found a group or somelaw that backs your hate and vengeance camouflaged as "law and justice" up ... got my point? and i MEAN got my point without feeling caught and stubbornly jumping on our stance not to look "caught" ... this issue is not about "winning or losing" when it comes to stances .. its about human lifes ... know what i mean? Mo-DAWG
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