Is the inmate responsible for his families pain

[mikebook]

After askiing this question on the other part of the site, I decided to post this on this section.
My arguement is that the inmate is responsible for the pain and suffering he gives them...he chose to commit the crimes and this affected other peoples lives.
That is my contention in this arguement.

[sclcookie]

thank you for posting this in here mike.

hugggz,
Suzanne

[mikebook]

no problem...

[Mo-DAWG]

mikebook said:

After askiing this question on the other part of the site, I decided to post this on this section.
My arguement is that the inmate is responsible for the pain and suffering he gives them...he chose to commit the crimes and this affected other peoples lives.
That is my contention in this arguement.

yes the inmate definitely causes his beloved ones pain and is responsible for that....but the most pain for the inmates families is caused by states that play god and go on vendetta sprees that hurt even more innocents.
Mo-DAWG

[ela]

Ok here is what i really think; it may be boring for someone, and it might make me "unpopular", but I don't care, this is me, and this is what i think.
Of course one person have to "pay" when a crime is commited; And of course family and friends of this person, suffer for his actions. but this happens after the crime.. I would like to focus my attention on all what is behind, what happens before: I basically consider people who commit crimes, even hard crimes as:
- people mentally ill
- disvantaged people, economically, affectively, emotionally and socially.
What i am going to say now, refer to those who come from this kind of background. As I've said before, background count; it is not an excuse but it is for sure the base for what kind of people we are going to become.
With the word background I mean:
- family conditions
- available risources ( inside and outside a person)
-social situation and possibilities.
Now, I think that none is responsible for the background where was born. We are victims of our background when we were born.
Someone of you will think that everybody has the chance to change direction and go out from that background; I think sometimes it happens, most of the times, no. it is not possible. For many reasons:
- you are not strong enough, you are weak
- you don't see anything else that that kind of background , it is your only reality,and you even can think that another life is possible, that you don't deserve it, that, that is your place, that you can not want more from life
- Your background has seriously damaged you, your will, your mind... you're damaged, you don't have any chances.
There are so many elements to consider and everyone react differently to the same situation. Something can be easy and small for me, and at the same time big as a mountain for another person; we are all different, we can not pretend that all the people react like we would do to the same situation; someone take it really bad, and starts to fall down... untill is too late and you can not go up again.
Society for sure doesn't facilitate the situation. We don't have all the same possibilities.. when soeone at age of 12 for example is in the midle of the street doing nothing and making troubles... Why? Who should take care of this person? His family? And if he / she has no family?
This is only an example of course....
I am making too long.. as usual... just to close this here...
I think, that those who are guilty, and who are "hangmen"have inevitably been victims of something else, always, there is something wrong somewhere.... it shouldn't have been like that.
To take free choices you must be free; where there is pain there is no freedom.
Sorry for my vent.

[jj]

I agree Ela. When the mitigating circumstances come up in court and you hear about the sexual abuse and beatings that these guys have had and society throws that to the side and says who cares, look what he did.

Well, where were they when this guy was being sexually abused and beaten? Where were they then? Executions are only getting rid of the problems, it is not solving the solutions as to why they got to where they are now.

Out of sight, out of mind I guess.

[mikebook]

I hear about mitigation and I have to think that I have had problems and I did not kill someone so I do not care about how hard they had a life...

[gill]

mikebook said:

After askiing this question on the other part of the site, I decided to post this on this section.
My arguement is that the inmate is responsible for the pain and suffering he gives them...he chose to commit the crimes and this affected other peoples lives.
That is my contention in this arguement.

Yes the inmate is responsible, providing he/she actually intentionally and consciously committed the crime. But such pain is extended with the death penalty, losing their loved one on top of everything else. In the meantime, I don't understand your point. The offender's family is still an innocent party, and by supporting a death penalty which will deprive them of their loved one is supporting further pain and injustice to the offender's family. And that, is as cruel as rejoicing in a murder which Pros often do when an inmate is executed.

[ela]

mikebook said:

I hear about mitigation and I have to think that I have had problems and I did not kill someone so I do not care about how hard they had a life...

In fact, as I have said, it can happen that someone is not damaged by an hard background; it just doesn't happen all the times, and when it doesn't happen it's just becouse someone is different from you... it's not a fault. You are the exception Mike.... Glad for you. And sorry, I didn't know about your problems....

[jj]

mikebook said:

I hear about mitigation and I have to think that I have had problems and I did not kill someone so I do not care about how hard they had a life...

What kind of problems have you had as a child? By the age of 6 I was beaten, burned and molested. When I was 9 months old, I pissed off my birthmother and she took a pot of coffee and poured it on me. burned over 35% of my body, the doctors said I should have died.

I was lucky though... I was adopted at age 3 and had parents that loved and helped me. I can tell you that if I had stayed with my birth mother, I would be in prison today.

Not everyone can handle situations the same. You can't judge people by how you would handle things. Everyone is different.

[choc]

mikebook said:

After askiing this question on the other part of the site, I decided to post this on this section.
My arguement is that the inmate is responsible for the pain and suffering he gives them...he chose to commit the crimes and this affected other peoples lives.
That is my contention in this arguement.

I realy don`t think this question is 100% answerable.
For one thing, a person`s propensity to kill could well be genetic.
So then its the murderer`s parents, grandparents etc who are truly responsible?

Since it has been shown without any doubt whatsover, that humans can, will, and have, killed each other from the beginning of recorded history, then it would be difficult to argue that killing is not genetic. Or indeed, intrinsic to our species?
We sure didn`t get to be No 1 in the food chain by being nice!
The person/s really responsible for an act of murder may well be, simply just Homo Sapien?

[injector]

choc said:

mikebook said:

After askiing this question on the other part of the site, I decided to post this on this section.
My arguement is that the inmate is responsible for the pain and suffering he gives them...he chose to commit the crimes and this affected other peoples lives.
That is my contention in this arguement.

I realy don`t think this question is 100% answerable.
For one thing, a person`s propensity to kill could well be genetic.
So then its the murderer`s parents, grandparents etc who are truly responsible?

Since it has been shown without any doubt whatsover, that humans can, will, and have, killed each other from the beginning of recorded history, then it would be difficult to argue that killing is not genetic. Or indeed, intrinsic to our species?
We sure didn`t get to be No 1 in the food chain by being nice!
The person/s really responsible for an act of murder may well be, simply just Homo Sapien?

they are absolutely human, and as humans, we should hold them to a human standard of justice. executions thereby reinforcer the humanity of the executee.

[lostlove84]

mikebook said:

After askiing this question on the other part of the site, I decided to post this on this section.
My arguement is that the inmate is responsible for the pain and suffering he gives them...he chose to commit the crimes and this affected other peoples lives.
That is my contention in this arguement.

Yes the inmate is respnsible for his families pain. They did not care what there actions would do to there family or there victims family. There are consequences to ever action.

[scottieswife]

mikebook said:

I hear about mitigation and I have to think that I have had problems and I did not kill someone so I do not care about how hard they had a life...

that is true for many of us, some of us have had problems and we didnt kill BUT some people are so badly damaged by events in their lives that we have been fortunate enough never to have to cope with.

some people have had truly horrific lives, abuse from almst birth, rape, physical and mental abuse, starvation, all sorts of deprivation that we can never imagine.
Sadly there are people who have had the cards stacked against them right from the begining of their lives.

People also cope in different ways. In the majority of these cases drugs and alcohol addictions have played a huge part also. Not an excuse but it is a reason, very damaged people get totally hooked on drugs and drink and end up doing things they would probably never think of clean and sober. Remember these things are mind altering and if you need proof of this go to an open AA , NA and Ala non meetings to find out what happened in the lives of people who DID manage to get out of this life. Not all do,
And most of these murders that happen then where not premeditated.

Of course yes there are simply evil and bad people. But the majority I dont believe are.

[scottieswife]

Of course most of the time the inmate put himself in this postition therefor hurting not only himself, the victim and their family but also his/her own family.

But the act of one person shouldnt make it compulsary that the innocent bystanders in the families are hurt more than they already are by the actions of the person incarcerated.

Many victims families feel great guilt at what they see as causing the other family the same pain they where caused.
The prosecutor tells the victims family that they will have closure when this man is dead.
That is the biggest lie ever told.

All that happens is the object of their anger and hate is gone and worst of all he probably made peace with God and is at peace. The families are not.
Next day nothing has changed. Their family member is still dead. They still hate the criminal and there is no peace. Initially there might be some relief but I dont believe decent people really feel that after an execution.

I am friends with a man who hated someone who killed a family member over 20 years ago. For 20 years this man had some sort of purpose, he was full of hate and I knew why, and I would have been too because what happened was horrific.
The man who commited this terrible crime was finally killed by the state and the man seemed happy about this. I dont think he was really. he witnessed the execution and kept upto date with everything happening in this case for over 20 years.

What will this poor man now do after spending 2 decades of his life fighting and hating this other man?

What will he do with the time he spent hating and fighting?

All that energy and time used up then suddenly there is no more to do. he got what he wanted.

I find that tragic. This murderer had all this power over him all those years. Even from death row.