Abuse on the Pro Site

[gill]

This is the response I got when I told the Pros I wrote to Efrain Perez.

"After reading some of the crap you posted on this wonderful site I find it disgraceful that you have the audacity to call Efrain Perez a friend!

Isn't that sub-human one of the animals who participated in the gang rape murders of two lovely teen aged girls from Houston Texas?"

"How can anyone in their right mind correspond with sh*tt like that?

Why don't you write the parents of the slain girl(s) and offer them your support and love.

You are a disgrace to those who seek justice and only prove once again what anti's only care about----MURDERERS!

I hope you never have to walk in a MVS's shoes."

"I'm sure it won't be a long life, sooner or later he will get his and his days of being an oxygen thief will be over.

I don't believe for one minute that you even bothered to read what this slimmy piece of extrement did, I also think your get your jollies from being a groupie to murderers.

You Gill are no better then your friend the Oxygen thief, here you are celebrating this oxygne thiefs life with no though at all for his victims or their families, you really are one sick person."

"It's a good day for America that dumb ass twisted freaks like yourself are not AMERICANS and that YOU are the minority!"

I'm still trying to recover from this shocking abuse . . . Gill

[catskillz]

I'll just copy my response to the FOR MIKEBOOK thread;

Apearently they don't know the difference between being pro and being just plain stupid ;D Admitted, the line is getting more vague to me as well . These people deserve to be... ignored

Don't think these people want to have a respectful debate with u .. nomatter what u say. They just want u to react.. thats what they enjoy.

Best catz

[mikebook]

It just tells me who to avoid...No big deal...I am going to try to avoid the subject of the death penalty and just be decent...I think this is doing bad things to my blood pressure...

[gill]

mikebook said:

It just tells me who to avoid...No big deal...I am going to try to avoid the subject of the death penalty and just be decent...I think this is doing bad things to my blood pressure...

You're not likely to do this on a Death Penalty site. Anyway, I've made the decision to steer clear of the Pro board. It's infested with bloodthirsty Pros, who mean only to attack, provoke and offend Antis. There is no hope for an intelligent conversation there. Gill

[sclcookie]

gill said:

mikebook said:

It just tells me who to avoid...No big deal...I am going to try to avoid the subject of the death penalty and just be decent...I think this is doing bad things to my blood pressure...

You're not likely to do this on a Death Penalty site. Anyway, I've made the decision to steer clear of the Pro board. It's infested with bloodthirsty Pros, who mean only to attack, provoke and offend Antis. There is no hope for an intelligent conversation there. Gill

I've gotten attacked by a couple and a couple I've had decent conversations with on the pro site. The one's I've been attacked by are the ones I'll ignore (or I'll try anyway )

[mikebook]

yep...

[sclcookie]

hey mike, I got a message for you on the pro site. check it out.

[scottieswife]

Sorry to hear you got a lot of abuse Gill. Been there and done it too. Some cases are like a spark to a flame on the PRO board.

Many on there do not believe anyone innocent is on death row. they believe that courts, judges, prosecutors and all ALWAYS get it right. They have closed minds at times.

I think we have to keep in mind that the DP is a very emotive subject and that strong opinions on both sides.

Which is no reason for disrespect of people and their beliefs.

Some of the people on the pro board just do not understand that death row inmates are human beings. Or why anyone would want to show any kindness to them.

I think too that when you get people on forums like that many take on personalities and say things they probably wouldnt say in person to you. people can hide behind message boards and emails.

personally, if someone is pro I have learned to respect that opinion. And I want them to respect mine.

I think sometimes people focus soley on the crime commited and cannot see any further than that for whatever reason.
Also on the pro board there are some murder victims families and I think perhaps we should understand their point of view without agreeing with them of course.

Efrain Perez and his co defendents committed a horrific crime. AND is the reason the pro board began in the first place. Charlene the owner of it began the board because of these murders.

I used to write to Efrain also:) so I am not bashing him or any of the others. But I do also remember what they did while knowing i do not want any of them dead.

I Think some pros think we anti's do not care about the crimes or the victims. And we all know that is not true.

I gave up with the pro board mostly because all it is, is a lot of opinions that go round and round in circles. wanna be lawyers "retrying" cases and putting their own slant to things. I guess we antis could be accused of that too:)
THey want to change our minds and we want to change theirs. It isnt happening. SO I gave up trying its less stressful.

AT the end of the day, the boards are where people are meant to discuss cases supposedly in a rational and respectful way and it doesnt always happen. and do they have any real effect on cases? I Dont think so.

One thing that I wonder about is why are people who have never been a murder victims family feel so strongly and believe that execution is the solution?

NO one ever explained that to me.

I have many pro friends and I respect their right to have their beliefs and they do mine too.

THe pro board can be a vicious place to be on if you are anti and write to inmates.

ALways remember that people learn by example and if we dont get into mud slinging and insults etc, then the person throwing the dirt has lost the debate anyway because they cant control their mouths or fingers on the keyboard.

WE get accused of not sticking to the facts, not showing the states case and being biased towards the inmate.
In many cases some sites are like that for DR inmates.

I think we have to acknowledge that some people should never leave prison. Some horrfic acts are commited and most on death row are actually guilty people.
When trying to defend an inmate we should always have both sides of the case or you will be attacked for being biased.


Despite knowing that there have been terrible crimes commited we still do not believe that execution is the solutiuon. We fight for what is seen the worst of the worst in people and pros dont understand that.

we know killing someone is not going to bring back the victim. OR make the pain of the family go away.

So we should try to be rational at all times:) Which is hard at times when a penfriend is being attacked like this.

[gill]

scottieswife said:

Sorry to hear you got a lot of abuse Gill. Been there and done it too. Some cases are like a spark to a flame on the PRO board.

Many on there do not believe anyone innocent is on death row. they believe that courts, judges, prosecutors and all ALWAYS get it right. They have closed minds at times.

I think we have to keep in mind that the DP is a very emotive subject and that strong opinions on both sides.

Which is no reason for disrespect of people and their beliefs.

Some of the people on the pro board just do not understand that death row inmates are human beings. Or why anyone would want to show any kindness to them.

I think too that when you get people on forums like that many take on personalities and say things they probably wouldnt say in person to you. people can hide behind message boards and emails.

personally, if someone is pro I have learned to respect that opinion. And I want them to respect mine.

I think sometimes people focus soley on the crime commited and cannot see any further than that for whatever reason.
Also on the pro board there are some murder victims families and I think perhaps we should understand their point of view without agreeing with them of course.

Efrain Perez and his co defendents committed a horrific crime. AND is the reason the pro board began in the first place. Charlene the owner of it began the board because of these murders.

I used to write to Efrain also:) so I am not bashing him or any of the others. But I do also remember what they did while knowing i do not want any of them dead.

I Think some pros think we anti's do not care about the crimes or the victims. And we all know that is not true.

I gave up with the pro board mostly because all it is, is a lot of opinions that go round and round in circles. wanna be lawyers "retrying" cases and putting their own slant to things. I guess we antis could be accused of that too:)
THey want to change our minds and we want to change theirs. It isnt happening. SO I gave up trying its less stressful.

AT the end of the day, the boards are where people are meant to discuss cases supposedly in a rational and respectful way and it doesnt always happen. and do they have any real effect on cases? I Dont think so.

One thing that I wonder about is why are people who have never been a murder victims family feel so strongly and believe that execution is the solution?

NO one ever explained that to me.

I have many pro friends and I respect their right to have their beliefs and they do mine too.

THe pro board can be a vicious place to be on if you are anti and write to inmates.

ALways remember that people learn by example and if we dont get into mud slinging and insults etc, then the person throwing the dirt has lost the debate anyway because they cant control their mouths or fingers on the keyboard.

WE get accused of not sticking to the facts, not showing the states case and being biased towards the inmate.
In many cases some sites are like that for DR inmates.

I think we have to acknowledge that some people should never leave prison. Some horrfic acts are commited and most on death row are actually guilty people.
When trying to defend an inmate we should always have both sides of the case or you will be attacked for being biased.


Despite knowing that there have been terrible crimes commited we still do not believe that execution is the solutiuon. We fight for what is seen the worst of the worst in people and pros dont understand that.

we know killing someone is not going to bring back the victim. OR make the pain of the family go away.

So we should try to be rational at all times:) Which is hard at times when a penfriend is being attacked like this.

Couldn't have said it better myself! Thanks for your support. Hugs, Gill

[mikebook]

I saw the message, Suzanne. Thank you very much. I am simply going to take a break for a couple of days and have some fun moving books at work...Then do some weeding...
I am thinking I found the perfect site for me to post on...and let me say you are all welcome to sit at the table with me for some Dungeons and Dragons...

www.wizards.com

[forbiddenterritory]

mikebook said:

I saw the message, Suzanne. Thank you very much. I am simply going to take a break for a couple of days and have some fun moving books at work...Then do some weeding...
I am thinking I found the perfect site for me to post on...and let me say you are all welcome to sit at the table with me for some Dungeons and Dragons...

www.wizards.com

Oh mike dont leave me.

[mikebook]

I am going to relax for a while. I will still be here and will check for mail...

[forbiddenterritory]

Okies mike.

I shall leave you some messages every now and then if you dont mind lol

Bless Electricchairus is trying to work out who i am lmao. Guessing games are good at times. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[ex member]

gill said:

This is the response I got when I told the Pros I wrote to Efrain Perez.

"After reading some of the crap you posted on this wonderful site I find it disgraceful that you have the audacity to call Efrain Perez a friend!

Isn't that sub-human one of the animals who participated in the gang rape murders of two lovely teen aged girls from Houston Texas?"

"How can anyone in their right mind correspond with sh*tt like that?

Why don't you write the parents of the slain girl(s) and offer them your support and love.

You are a disgrace to those who seek justice and only prove once again what anti's only care about----MURDERERS!

I hope you never have to walk in a MVS's shoes."

"I'm sure it won't be a long life, sooner or later he will get his and his days of being an oxygen thief will be over.

I don't believe for one minute that you even bothered to read what this slimmy piece of extrement did, I also think your get your jollies from being a groupie to murderers.

You Gill are no better then your friend the Oxygen thief, here you are celebrating this oxygne thiefs life with no though at all for his victims or their families, you really are one sick person."

"It's a good day for America that dumb ass twisted freaks like yourself are not AMERICANS and that YOU are the minority!"

I'm still trying to recover from this shocking abuse . . . Gill

Gill,

First let me say I am so deeply sorry you were on the receiving end of such hateful statements. I'd like to send you a big hug!

I want to explain something to you, I'm Anti but I am a frequent visitor to the Pro-DP site. I'm not sure if you are aware of this but Efrain Perez's victims Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena are closely related to the lady who runs the Pro board, Charlene. She is a personal friend of their families. I know you won't ever understand the hatred that a victims family and their friends feels towards the murderer but some of what you experienced over on that site is a clear result of such hatred and it is a very human, very natural emotion when touched by a tragedy such as murder.

As you may know, my family lost a beautiful 16 year old girl to murder last year. I am very saddened to admit this but in all honesty I wouldn't want to know about her killer Jeremy Jones having pen pals. I do not wish death upon him even though he currently awaits trial on capital murder however I do wish him a very long very tortured lonely miserable life behind prison walls. I have thought long and hard about this... one pro once asked me how I can write to another murderer yet not want anyone to write to Jones? Why is one victim more important than another to me? I have struggled with this, even considered writing to Jones myself to show how strong an Anti I am. But at the end of the day, I can't do it, he's a horrible vicious monster who is nothing more than a waste of oxygen to me.

As I sit here and write this my words are shocking to even me, but I assure you, it comes from deep within my heart. When one of these monsters take someone you love it is a pain like no other. I'm sure, you admitting that you write to Perez touched a nerve on that site that few will probably understand. I'm not advocating the responses you received but I hope I am helping to put them into perspective from another victim families point of view.

You are entitled to write to whoever you wish but when you write to our loved ones murderer, we don't have to like it, our friends don't have to like it, in fact, knowing that he is getting the very thing from you that he took from us brings on a rage you will most likely never understand.

Please know, I think what you are doing as far as befriending someone on death row is so wonderful. And you deserve some really BIG HUGS for it. I only hope my words here help you understand the other side of it too and why you saw such hate emerge over there over the mere mention of Efrain Perez's name.

Hugs,

Pam

[gill]

Yes, I did realise after writing that I was Efrain's Pel Pal, that the lady who began the board had been deeply affected by Efrain and his gang's actions. I actually read her section on it. It was very sad. They asked me how many people I wrote to, and I told them and gave their names. Then I immediately got attacked. I can understand their reasons for being disgusted with my writing to him. But then they began saying I'm no better than a murderer, and . . . well . . . allow me to quote.

"Did it ever occur to you or CCADP that these murderers converse with 'friends of murderers' on the outside? The folks at CCDAP are obviously a sick bunch and a danger to society."

I'm so so sorry for your loss Pam. Although obviously not nearly as horrible, I was actually a victim of rape when I was 17, and when I read what Efrain had done, I thought maybe it would be good for me to reach out to him of all people, and then perhaps I wouldn't be so bitter about what happened to me. At the same time, I cannot understand why all of these people would attack me in such an extreme way. I wondered what on earth I had actually done wrong. I don't see how writing to Efrain is wrong. It certainly doesn't make me a party to his crime, as they suggested it did. I've backed out of the Pro board now. They were being too insulting, too personal, and highly offensive. But, again, I can understand why they'd hate Efrain, but there is no need to attack me in such an extreme way. I cannot understand that. Thank you for your response. Gill. x