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Post by CCADP on Aug 28, 2005 8:46:56 GMT -5
Maggie and I and all the members of this board waiting patiently for these important Modesto updates
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Post by CCADP on Aug 27, 2005 20:19:44 GMT -5
..."than you need to carefully re-examine who you throw your support behind."
THESE are the people CCADP throws 'support behind' and always will :
Anyone sentenced to death anywhere in the world who asks for our help.
So; as long as Scott Peterson; or anyone else; fits into that category; they will get what help we are able to provide - a free website to get their unfiltered words out to the world. We are not looking for a 'poster boy' or someone the world sees as sympathetic. We are simply here to help all those sentence to death.
Its a fairly simple mandate.
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Post by CCADP on Aug 9, 2005 7:47:00 GMT -5
I DEFINATELY agree. A lot of good people have turned their attention to the DP as a result of being exposed to some of the issues through the Scott Peterson case.... We are thrilled to welcome all these new members here; as well as those who have visited who may not agree with our way of thinking; who will thus become exposed; themselves; to the reality of this thing that we are all here fighting...
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Post by CCADP on Aug 9, 2005 6:48:49 GMT -5
Hi Erick... C'mon, you should know us better than that by now! We would not have given Scott his own area here....especially since the case has been so high profile in fact - but if you've noticed; until we did that; Peterson related threads and discussion were LITERALLY taking over the first 5 or 6 threads in every section of the board; making the WHOLE CCADP board look like the Peterson discussion board. If you read the intro to the section it explains that it was a simple admin decision to group all related threads in one area so the rest of the board is more easily read w/o uninterested people having to wade through a million threads re Scott Peterson. If you noticed; since the silly media blitz; 250 new members have joined; and though we SURE hope they will use this opportunity to educate themselves on the DP in general; there are obviously a lot of people who have come here specifically to discuss the Scott Peterson case. We'd rather we direct that; than it take over all of our work here...
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Post by CCADP on Aug 7, 2005 12:13:55 GMT -5
ABRAMS: Coming up, convicted wife killer, Scott Peterson speaking out from death row...
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
ABRAMS: It‘s been a while since we heard from convicted murderer Scott Peterson. Now it seems he‘s back with a message. Apparently he wants to say thank you. Canadian anti-death penalty organization is hosting a Web page for Peterson, featuring a personal letter straight from death row. In it, Peterson thanks his supporters for writing to him in prison, even if he‘s not able to write back.
Quote—“At mail call, I‘m encouraged by and enjoy hearing from people. I wish I could respond to express my gratitude and continue to correspond. However, people having sold my notes and sometimes fabricating content preclude me from doing so. It is an irritating unfortunate situation. I‘m tremendously appreciative of your kindness. It has such a wonderful positive effect upon our family.”
The group hosting the Web site says Peterson plans to publish similar public messages a few times a year. Joining me now is Dave Parkinson from the Canadian Coalition Against the Death Penalty. They‘re running the Peterson Web page. And Vernell Crittendon, a San Quentin Prison spokesperson who often fills us in on what‘s happening at death row where Peterson has recently been moved from an adjustment center to an individual cell.
All right, thank you both to both of you. Appreciate it. Mr. Parkinson, let me ask you this first of all. It seems Scott Peterson appears more worried about someone profiting from his words than he does about putting the word out.
DAVE PARKINSON, HOSTS SCOTT PETERSON‘S WEB PAGE: Well, rightly so. I mean since the...
ABRAMS: It‘s more important you think...
(CROSSTALK)
ABRAMS: You think it‘s more important whether people are profiting than whether he can supposedly defend...
PARKINSON: Well, no, but certainly when people are selling his letters on eBay or memorabilia sites trying to make a profit from it and since this media fiasco began with us posting this on the Internet, we‘ve actually had some legitimate news organizations in the U.S. we won‘t mention who have offered us money for a copy of the letter.
ABRAMS: OK. Now, I know your organization provides space for a lot of death row inmates and you‘ve pointed out that some have been released who—the evidence turns out enough to allow them to be freed. But do you worry that championing Scott Peterson undermines your credibility in this sense, that a lot of these people had under-funded defenses. They weren‘t able to investigate. They didn‘t have proper legal defenses, and yet here Scott Peterson had one of the most expensive lawyers in the country.
PARKINSON: (INAUDIBLE) but certainly as you‘re well aware, it‘s primarily a circumstantial case, if not purely a circumstantial case with little or no forensic evidence, DNA, witnesses, what have you. In many of the instances where we had someone who was wrongly convicted, almost 12 people now who originally wrote us from death row proclaiming their innocence, who have since been released and exonerated through DNA or other means, at least in those cases they had a jailhouse snitch‘s testimony. They might have had some fabricated evidence. They might have had wrong eyewitness statement.
(CROSSTALK)
PARKINSON: But the fact of the matter is...
(CROSSTALK)
PARKINSON: ... they were much more guilty than a primarily circumstantial case...
(CROSSTALK)
PARKINSON: ... where there‘s little or no physical evidence whatsoever.
ABRAMS: But you know, you‘ve done a lot of these cases. Don‘t give me the nonsense about circumstantial cases. The bottom line is circumstantial cases are the strongest cases out there. Eyewitnesses, jailhouse snitches are the type of testimony that lead to overturned verdicts because they‘re so unreliable.
PARKINSON: In some instances they do. In other instances there have been many individuals who have been executed...
ABRAMS: Right.
PARKINSON: ... on primarily the same evidence that we‘ve had people exonerated on. We‘re not taking the stance of guilt or innocence in Mr. Peterson‘s case. We‘re primarily allowing him a forum to do that on his own and he has maintained his innocence since day one.
ABRAMS: Yes, I know, but you‘re also by saying it‘s an entirely circumstantial case and we have all these people who are released with this...
PARKINSON: But it is.
ABRAMS: It may be...
PARKINSON: Even...
ABRAMS: It may be, but circumstantial cases as you know, I‘m not saying that this is the strongest case I‘ve ever seen, but circumstantial cases are the strongest types of cases.
PARKINSON: Oh in some instances they can be. But even Judge Delucchi three-quarters through the trial said if there is a conviction, it‘s in the apple of the lawyer‘s petrie dish. Even he acknowledged the fact that there were so many issues that couldn‘t fully be substantiated that it is (INAUDIBLE) lawyer‘s dream and there are going to be issues brought up and he is certain to get an appeal down the road if these issues are properly addressed...
ABRAMS: Yes, he‘ll get an appeal...
PARKINSON: But again, we don‘t—we‘re not talking about his guilt or innocence on the page. We‘re allowing him to do that as we do for 500 other death row prisoners, primarily in the United States but also in several other countries around the world.
ABRAMS: All right, Vernell Crittendon, what is Peterson up to these days?
VERNELL CRITTENDON, SAN QUENTIN PRISON SPOKESPERSON: Well good afternoon, Dan. And I just wanted to comment on one statement that was made and that is here in the state of California, no inmate on death row has been released because of DNA testing. So I just thought I‘d want to clarify that.
And Scott Peterson is doing well on death row. Was up in death row today just prior to coming to this broadcast and he‘s taken down the picture off of his wall, he and Laci at their wedding. He‘s now put another picture up, which is a picture of he and Laci on vacation sitting out on a beach. He seems to be in very good spirits.
We now have him moved over to the east block where we house the lion share of the death row inmates. And we actually began to identify inmates that are compatible with Scott Peterson that he‘ll be spending the rest of his life with. I thought you might find interesting, just a couple of them I wanted to share with you. One was a man named Ivan Gonzalez (ph) from San Diego who came in 1995.
He had sexually molested a 4-year-old multiple times and at the point of death, 50 percent of her body was burned. He has another gentleman that he‘ll be with is Mike Martinez (ph). Mike Martinez (ph) took a knife and a hammer to a woman and killed her and then repeatedly...
PARKINSON: Mr. Crittendon, is it not a serious breach of security to be releasing details—for the public relations officer at San Quentin to be releasing such detailed information on Mr. Peterson‘s comings and goings within the present facility? I understand it‘s one thing to advise the public how he‘s checked in, fingerprinted, and escorted to a cell, but getting into such detailed information as to who he‘s hanging out with in the prison, does that not compromise Mr. Peterson‘s security and as an official representative of the California Department of Corrections...
CRITTENDON: No...
PARKINSON: ... are you not concerned that giving such detailed information...
ABRAMS: Let him respond.
PARKINSON: ... may compromise...
ABRAMS: All right, Vernell, your response.
CRITTENDON: No, it does not. He is in—only in death row and he is put in with a group of death row inmates that are all compatible with Mr. Peterson. And there will be no other inmates that will have access to him. Of the 637 that we have on death row in the state of California, none of them...
PARKINSON: And now the public at large knows who those individuals are and they know who is in contact with Mr. Peterson within the facility. So how does that not compromise...
CRITTENDON: And there‘s almost 65 of them that are...
ABRAMS: But how—wait, how does it compromise security? I don‘t even understand theoretically how it would. I mean he‘s on death row.
PARKINSON: (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well...
PARKINSON: Certainly by knowing who he is hanging out with...
(CROSSTALK)
PARKINSON: ... at any given time within the facility, you know going to yard, the detailed information that‘s been provided...
ABRAMS: All right.
PARKINSON: ... it makes it a lot easier for individuals on the outside who wish harm to Mr. Peterson...
ABRAMS: Yes.
PARKINSON: ... to contact individuals on the inside who may have close contact...
ABRAMS: All right. All right. I‘ve got to wrap it up...
PARKINSON: ... it‘s a serious breach of security.
ABRAMS: Yes, yes, all right.
CRITTENDON: Well I differ with you. I don‘t call that...
(CROSSTALK)
CRITTENDON: ... to be a serious breach...
(CROSSTALK)
ABRAMS: I‘ve got to break here. We‘ve got some quick breaking news here that the shuttle deputy program manager has just announced that they are going to try and fix two pieces of a gap filler dangling from the spaceship there on a space walk on Wednesday. As you know, the Discovery suffered some damage shortly after takeoff and the question has been, are they going to have to go out there in a space walk, which can be risky and try and repair it? The answer is yes they are going to do that. The space walk will begin on Wednesday at 4:14 a.m. Eastern Time.
Take a break. We‘ll be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
ABRAMS: That does it for us tonight. We ran out of time with that breaking news, weren‘t able to do the “Rebuttal” and the “OH PLEAs!”, but again that breaking news was that there will be a third space walk on Wednesday to try and repair the damage to the Discovery. That has never been done before, a space walk where they have actually tried to repair something like this.
Coming up next, “HARDBALL” with Chris Matthews. See you tomorrow.
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Post by CCADP on Dec 13, 2005 20:26:46 GMT -5
Tonight on Abrams Report on MSNBC (will be repeated at 4:00 AM EST) interviewed Scott Petersons former attorney - the one who is writing the book.
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Post by CCADP on Aug 6, 2005 10:12:42 GMT -5
I didn't know Laci but i remember it came out at some point that early in their marriage when Scott was finishing university he was living with a roommate while finishing school out of town. Scott had apparantely according to the story been dating some local girl; Laci came to visit and was being intimate with her husband; and Scott's girlfriend arrived thinking she had caught Scott cheating on her. His roomate took her aside and told her it was actually his wife he was with; and he had been cheating on her not the girlfriend. Laci was aware of this; but was able to get past it. She never mentioned this to friends and family; and went on to a happy life with Scott. I don't know if this is true; Maggie can tell you better; I just remember it was reported in the media. But a lot of men cheat and a lot of women are able to forgive it and go on with their lives with the person; so thats quite possible.
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Post by CCADP on Jul 31, 2005 22:23:51 GMT -5
Maggie has accepted debate in this thread since the beginning; before we started the 'debates in the debate area' thing....should we make this thread an excetion; or should we move it to the debate area? Maybe we can move it to debate and start a new Peterson thread with info for supporters and links comments etc in the Other cases section...what do u two think? I leave it to u guys...
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Post by CCADP on Jul 31, 2005 16:47:29 GMT -5
sounds like you are new to this! There are tons of people here who have lost friends and family members to murder - including one of the moderators here.... One's fiance was murdered One's son's grandmother was horribly murdered we have lost a friend to a vicious murder...there are many other similar stories here. Another member; investigator Tina Church; spends half her time working on cold cases where the families of victims have been left alone to their grief when prosecutors decided they didn't want to charge a case. Tina has held these moms in her arms as they cried over their murdered kids just as she has the moms of executed prisoners. Tina will often help those families of murdered victims get enough evidence to force the prosecutors office to charge in cases they had ignored for years. Others here were victims of grevious abuses themselves. Not all victims or victims family members feel vengeance is the way for them to heal. Also look at www.mvfr.com (murder victims families for reconciliation). Do you care for all of these victims and victims family members as well?
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Post by CCADP on Jul 31, 2005 16:33:53 GMT -5
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Post by CCADP on Jul 31, 2005 16:31:38 GMT -5
that one can stay. the ones that are over the top and not acceptable in a family and friends support forum are deleted; yes. Start a new thread in the debate area and restrict your pro DP arguments there as much as possible please. There are lots of discussion boards and forums out there. This one is primarily a support board; and we're not hearing anything we don't hear from others on a daily basis....
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Post by CCADP on Jul 31, 2005 16:11:10 GMT -5
Welcome to the board - great to meet you and we are glad you found us! Whats the link to your board? please post it here and also in General section under links.... look forward to reading your posts. Dave will be on Abrams Report on MSNBC tomorrow (Mon)night talking about Scott Peterson's page.
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Post by CCADP on Jul 31, 2005 15:30:17 GMT -5
Brooke - here are the rules for posting in this forum :
Welcome to the board - whatever your stance on this issue; please post a little intro under INTRODUCE section - we ask that people post a little bit about why they are interested in the issue.
Please remember that this is primarily a support and not a discussion group - pro Death Penalty opinions will not be shut out here but we do ask people to keep in mind that some visitors here are parents and children of Death Row prisoners, as well as people who might just be activists and penpals and we are very careful - even a little too careful maybe - to maintain a level of respectful discussion here.; we really aren't going to allow it to degenerate into a name calling fest like some boards out there.
So you are welcome to debate; but in this forum we treat each other as though we were meeting face to face; and not rudely like anonymous strangers online...
I'm sure you'll respect this!
thanks - and remember to post your introduction.
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Post by CCADP on Jul 31, 2005 15:26:14 GMT -5
Brooke - What a great doctor of psychology you must be in order to instantly evaluate nearly 4000 men and women whom you have never met....
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Post by CCADP on Jul 31, 2005 9:52:33 GMT -5
Hi there - the CCADP is of course against the DP for ANYONE innocent or guilty ; and we have pages for both innocent and guilty DR prisoners and fight just as hard for both. There are many who believe that Scott Peterson is innocent; and many many more who believe he did not get a fair trial so that guilt or innocence can be fairly judged. This thread is a debate area between the two. CCADP is far from a fan club for Scott Peterson - we have existed since 1998 and all those who have contacted us regarding him are not a 'fan club' but persons - many of whom were actually pro death penalty until seeing prosecutorial and media manipulations in this case - are actually interested in justice. Forget this 'fan club' silliness; visit his page; read the nearly 100 page appelate brief and see some of the appeals issues; and see some of the silly prosecutors responses in their brief also provided on the page. Reading a little too much NY Post
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