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Post by beachluver on Dec 7, 2009 15:28:52 GMT -5
Thanks Punpkinpie.
Mo-Dawg - I hope the person isn't serious in their postings & was posting for shock value. It is fine and dandy to befriend whoever you choose, it's your choice. BUT, don't start trashing the innocent people who never asked to be in a horrible situation & will live with it for the rest of their lives. It's unfortunate the girls will only be known as murder victims & how they spent their last hours. It's a shame.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Dec 7, 2009 17:31:40 GMT -5
Thanks Punpkinpie. Mo-Dawg - I hope the person isn't serious in their postings & was posting for shock value. It is fine and dandy to befriend whoever you choose, it's your choice. BUT, don't start trashing the innocent people who never asked to be in a horrible situation & will live with it for the rest of their lives. It's unfortunate the girls will only be known as murder victims & how they spent their last hours. It's a shame. i wholeheartedly agree with you beachlover ... i m anti too but if there is one thing that i really dont want to deal with and that i find nerve killing than thats emotionally unstable dr girlfriends/wives that blame their husband's/boyfriends failures on everyone except on their lover (dont get me wrong here please im NOT talking about every dr wife/girlfriend in general here)... i am opposed to mr cantu's execution too..for the simple reason that i am opposed to the death penalty as such .. but blaming the earthman family and the pena family for this disaster is totally uncalled for and in my opinion a low level behavior that can hardly be topped ..... well aware of the fact that i now made another "enemy" among dr wives/girlfriends i remain Mo-DAWG
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Post by reapwysow on Dec 9, 2009 15:02:08 GMT -5
While looking up more information on my pen pal Peter Cantu I came across this forum. It saddens me that there are people on here that are supposed to be against the death penalty but seem that they would make an exception supporting it in Peters case. I will be honest when I first looked up Peters history and found what happened I wasn't sure that I wanted to write him. I am a mother of 3 and a victim of rape so it was hard to look beyond that. In writing to your pen pal you look beyond that in a Christ like manner. Who are we to judge what he has done? No one has that right but the lord. Think of any mistake you have made in your life that seems like the most horrible thing you could have done either in your own life, your family and your community, and now imagine being judged on that your whole life shut from society and having to live every day with what you had done. Peter is now 33 and was 18 when he commited his crime. I'm sure he has suffered beyond what any of us can believe. Writing to a pen pal doesn't mean that we are cold and heartless and do not care about the victims families. I can not even begin to imagine what they felt with their loss and I know that in their shoes I would have that rage immediately that "I will kill whoever did this" attitude. But if we live with this outlook then we are murderers our self. It is no better just because it is done "legally". For me the main number one reason I am so against the death penalty is not just that we should forgive everyone because no sin is greater than the other but that IF WE SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY AND KILL EVEN JUST ONE INNOCENT PERSON THEN THAT MAKES US CRUEL AND MURDERERS OURSELF. No one has the right to judge Peter only the Lord. I don't judge him because he hasn't done anything to me. And think of what a wonderful world we could and would be living in today if there was no judgement passed between anyone of us. I love my letters from Peter they brighten my day and I am a person who believes 100% that God has a reason for everything. I am a very lonely person who has my children and no family, it's just me and Peter is a friend with no strings attached. The person who just sent me my first Birthday card in I don't know how long and the person who isn't going to hold any judgement on me for anything. If he can brighten peoples lives every day despite what his crime is then just let him do that, I'm not saying he's a super great person because I don't believe there is such a thing but I am saying he's human like you.....and like me, like the pope, and like Ghandi. He made a mistake he was young and that doesn't make any of us better than him. I didn't rape, kill and brutalize two innocent young girls. Id say that makes me better then him. i did steal a snickers from my brother when i was 12. write me?
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Dec 9, 2009 15:13:43 GMT -5
While looking up more information on my pen pal Peter Cantu I came across this forum. It saddens me that there are people on here that are supposed to be against the death penalty but seem that they would make an exception supporting it in Peters case. I will be honest when I first looked up Peters history and found what happened I wasn't sure that I wanted to write him. I am a mother of 3 and a victim of rape so it was hard to look beyond that. In writing to your pen pal you look beyond that in a Christ like manner. Who are we to judge what he has done? No one has that right but the lord. Think of any mistake you have made in your life that seems like the most horrible thing you could have done either in your own life, your family and your community, and now imagine being judged on that your whole life shut from society and having to live every day with what you had done. Peter is now 33 and was 18 when he commited his crime. I'm sure he has suffered beyond what any of us can believe. Writing to a pen pal doesn't mean that we are cold and heartless and do not care about the victims families. I can not even begin to imagine what they felt with their loss and I know that in their shoes I would have that rage immediately that "I will kill whoever did this" attitude. But if we live with this outlook then we are murderers our self. It is no better just because it is done "legally". For me the main number one reason I am so against the death penalty is not just that we should forgive everyone because no sin is greater than the other but that IF WE SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY AND KILL EVEN JUST ONE INNOCENT PERSON THEN THAT MAKES US CRUEL AND MURDERERS OURSELF. No one has the right to judge Peter only the Lord. I don't judge him because he hasn't done anything to me. And think of what a wonderful world we could and would be living in today if there was no judgement passed between anyone of us. I love my letters from Peter they brighten my day and I am a person who believes 100% that God has a reason for everything. I am a very lonely person who has my children and no family, it's just me and Peter is a friend with no strings attached. The person who just sent me my first Birthday card in I don't know how long and the person who isn't going to hold any judgement on me for anything. If he can brighten peoples lives every day despite what his crime is then just let him do that, I'm not saying he's a super great person because I don't believe there is such a thing but I am saying he's human like you.....and like me, like the pope, and like Ghandi. He made a mistake he was young and that doesn't make any of us better than him. I didn't rape, kill and brutalize two innocent young girls. Id say that makes me better then him. i did steal a snickers from my brother when i was 12. write me? it doesnt make much sense to discuss with this banshee character .. i even tried in PM's ... quite frankly i think he or she is either a troll who is out to stir up trouble or to make antis look bad or he or shes just one immature person with anger management issues ...
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Post by loulou2010 on Jul 8, 2010 12:31:51 GMT -5
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Post by cweaver on Aug 16, 2010 13:20:09 GMT -5
This link was listed in the comments section to a newspaper article in the Houston Chronicle about Peter Cantu's execution tomorrow. I will feel no heartbreak for his evil little soul. He'll answer to God. If Christians are right, then this scum had more opportunity to accept Jesus and go to heaven than his very young victims. Luckily I don't believe God allows murderers to just ask for forgiveness and not be punished in some way for their crimes. This crime has resonated with me for the past 17 years. Mention Renee Ertman or Jennifer Pena to anyone in Houston my age or older and they'll remember every detail all these years later. It was one of those crimes that stick out and change you in some way. I understand people not believing in the death penalty, but this case screams for punishment. If there was one case that pro-death penalty people could rally around, this is surely it. There's no doubt about guilt, the crime was incredibly heinous, and I don't think any of the murderers ever felt remorse about it. I remember Jose Medellin's letter on the dr site said he was guilty of a youthful mistake. Sure, raping and sodomizing two teenagers for hours and then killing them for no reason is a mistake! Just think, these guys would already be out of jail by now if they had allowed these girls to go home after the rape (or even better, if they'd allowed them to walk on by without doing anything at all to them). I'm sorry, but no one should feel sorry for these guys. They are the worst of the worst on death row. Too bad they didn't allow them into the prison population for a few days and see what kind of justice would have been meted out. Prisoners also remember the crime, and many of them are fathers, husbands, and brothers.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Aug 16, 2010 16:34:58 GMT -5
This link was listed in the comments section to a newspaper article in the Houston Chronicle about Peter Cantu's execution tomorrow. I will feel no heartbreak for his evil little soul. He'll answer to God. If Christians are right, then this scum had more opportunity to accept Jesus and go to heaven than his very young victims. Luckily I don't believe God allows murderers to just ask for forgiveness and not be punished in some way for their crimes. This crime has resonated with me for the past 17 years. Mention Renee Ertman or Jennifer Pena to anyone in Houston my age or older and they'll remember every detail all these years later. It was one of those crimes that stick out and change you in some way. I understand people not believing in the death penalty, but this case screams for punishment. If there was one case that pro-death penalty people could rally around, this is surely it. There's no doubt about guilt, the crime was incredibly heinous, and I don't think any of the murderers ever felt remorse about it. I remember Jose Medellin's letter on the dr site said he was guilty of a youthful mistake. Sure, raping and sodomizing two teenagers for hours and then killing them for no reason is a mistake! Just think, these guys would already be out of jail by now if they had allowed these girls to go home after the rape (or even better, if they'd allowed them to walk on by without doing anything at all to them). I'm sorry, but no one should feel sorry for these guys. They are the worst of the worst on death row. Too bad they didn't allow them into the prison population for a few days and see what kind of justice would have been meted out. Prisoners also remember the crime, and many of them are fathers, husbands, and brothers. I have to agree that this case is one of the most heinous crimes I' ve ever come across
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Post by cweaver on Aug 16, 2010 18:00:38 GMT -5
Just wanted to modify my earlier post. The girls' names were Renee Ertman and Elizabeth Pena, not Jennifer as I thought. Also, Jose Medellin's letter on his website said the following, and I quote:
"Please seek to know me, Jose, not a dead man walking. I don't want sympathy or pity, I'd rather have your anger. Don't feel sorry for me. I'm where I'm at because I made an adolescent choice. That's it ! Seek to know Jose, stay open that you can be my friend."
I guess he felt it was just an adolescent choice to rape, torture, and murder two human beings. I'm sorry, but an 18-year old can't claim adolescence. He was never sorry for his crime. That's the problem with anti-death penalty people. They converse with these people and feed these guys' belief that THEY are the victims. I can feel sympathy for a drug addict who panicks and shoots his robbery victim, but not Peter frickin' Cantu or Jose Medellin! Those guys deserve the worst punishment available to them.
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Post by justme on Aug 17, 2010 19:31:32 GMT -5
Just wanted to modify my earlier post. The girls' names were Renee Ertman and Elizabeth Pena, not Jennifer as I thought. Also, Jose Medellin's letter on his website said the following, and I quote: "Please seek to know me, Jose, not a dead man walking. I don't want sympathy or pity, I'd rather have your anger. Don't feel sorry for me. I'm where I'm at because I made an adolescent choice. That's it ! Seek to know Jose, stay open that you can be my friend." I guess he felt it was just an adolescent choice to rape, torture, and murder two human beings. I'm sorry, but an 18-year old can't claim adolescence. He was never sorry for his crime. That's the problem with anti-death penalty people. They converse with these people and feed these guys' belief that THEY are the victims. I can feel sympathy for a drug addict who panicks and shoots his robbery victim, but not Peter frickin' Cantu or Jose Medellin! Those guys deserve the worst punishment available to them. You had it right the first time. Her name was Jennifer (at least that is what she went by and that is how she was referred to in the stories back then). I lived in Houston when these gut-wrenching murders occurred, and these punks scoffed and showed no remorse. It is hard to believe Cantu lived longer on death row than his victims lived period. I do not celebrate death but I won't lose a bit of sleep over this guy.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Aug 18, 2010 0:51:48 GMT -5
let me add one thing, one person who deserves to get mentioned here: I admire Joe Cantu's strenght and decency .. Joe Cantu is Peter Cantu's brother and the person who called police (even though anonymously).. but he did.. the reason why I admire him is the strenght and decency he showed .. he gave his brother Peter up which surely hasn't been easy .. just imagine you had to give your brother up.. must be a hard thimg to do .. but doing so he not only helped solve this case but surely rescued the life of more potential future victims ..
hats off to you Joe Cantu !!
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Post by justme on Aug 18, 2010 11:56:54 GMT -5
From eyewitness reports to last night's execution, when asked if he had any final words, Peter Cantu responded with a defiant "NO!". The previous two gang members executed for this crime both issued last statements expressing remorse and apologizing for their role in this unspeakable crime.
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Post by kassiepoo on Aug 19, 2010 10:19:48 GMT -5
Am I going to hell now for actually feeling a bit of joy when I heard the news that Cantu was executed? I don't feel the least bit sorry for him.
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Post by deebeen on Aug 25, 2010 7:41:33 GMT -5
banshee, I strongly disagree with your comments of the young girls father, you say you are anti but you continue to write things that are against what anti belive in. while it is your right to befriend whom ever you wish, i think maybe making personal attacks on the victims family was the wrong way to go. what did cantu think of your viwe towards the father in question.? that is maybe why people have felt the need to involve their selves. after all, you made it public,so expect people the have opinions.........its not just pros that have a problem with your comments...its us anti's too.
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Post by ♥Eva♥ on Aug 27, 2010 0:43:46 GMT -5
As for the anti-DP activists' question: "Would you be willing to carry out an execution personally?" In this particular case YES!!
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Sept 9, 2010 0:45:50 GMT -5
As for the anti-DP activists' question: "Would you be willing to carry out an execution personally?" In this particular case YES!! I couldn't kill anyone... I guess I just don't have what it takes to do it
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